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  • CaptainCM
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    Originally posted by Darkbeer
    Capacity at the parks is a number that is always in flux.... it is based on attractions open, and open space in the parks. (Fire Marshall rules).... It has been as low as under 70,000, but with most attractions open, it is closer to 80,000 (if not a bit higher)... Now, when Space Mountain is open, and all other attractions are up and running without any major construction, we should get close to 85,000, though it might be less depending on the current Anaheim Fire rules...
    Pretty much true, however the Fire Marshall of Anaheim sets the max and enforses it. We've had lots of 60K+ days over the last couple of weeks... DCA has generally been about 23-25K

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  • Darkbeer
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    Marcie, as I understand, is someone who works in the Marketing/PR department of Disney, and you should take her spin in that vain..

    She has been wrong MANY times....

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  • dlfreak
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    wrong thread. deleted

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  • ocnative1964
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    Originally posted by AP2CM
    not recently. Last year we were well under 80K. Marcie (whoever that is) at Mouseinfo is wrong too. We were WAY over 48K yesterday.

    Marcie is a Disney Employee... not exactly sure of her position, but she is involved more with what is going on for future development and changes with in the company,,

    she has a broad knowledge of the parks and the company...

    she is quite good at dispelling rumours...

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  • iluvrollercoasters
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    Is the kind of crowd DL has seen over the past week also typical of what it is like throughout the summer? I had been seriously contemplating visiting later this summer, but now I'm having second thoughts. Previously I've only been there in the winter. So tell me, is summer (July and August, disregarding July 17th) as bad as this past week?

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  • Subgoon
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    Unfortunatly, Wednesday was the only day of my whole so-cal trip that I could go to DL, and might I third the above in saying it was crazy. Indy fastpass was sold out for the whole day at 10:30am! I was able to get a ride after only 30mins at about 10pm that night! I ended up not riding a lot of the rides I wanted to get on(Spalsh, Matterhorn, Buzz) simply because the lines were ridiculous. This prompted me to plan a trip sometime before the first week of august, in which I will drive down there myself and get a park hopper so I can hit all the rides I didnt ride, including Space and Jungle Cruise!

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  • cfparkmanager
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    Originally posted by BoneDaddy
    I was there mon-thurs of this week. It was crazy crowded. I'd certainly believe 60k.

    I would second that it was crazy. It was unbearable on Wednesday evening. The line to get into California Adventure was the longest I've ever seen it for evening hours (beyond the letters).

    I like a busy theme park, but I could barely handle it on Wednesday so that says a lot.

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  • MickeyMan
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    So does anyone really know what the numbers were for friday?

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  • fearsnda
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    Originally posted by GeneralShang
    Instead of just telling us that they're wrong, why don't you just give us the correct numbers then?... I mean, I'd like to know, just out of curiousity what it really was.
    When I see wrong information I am compelled to call it out. You'll notice I say nothing if something is correct. In the case of Friday I am compelled to let people know that the post is incorrect... The only information I am publicly comfortable giving is: The number at the top of the post is wrong.

    - FNDA

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  • AStarOnMars
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    Originally posted by fearsnda
    There were no issues on the 27th, thank goodness!
    Yes, I saw that when I was park hopping ... Easter was busy like Thanksgiving day but no where near like it gets at Christmas time ...

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  • GeneralShang
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    Originally posted by fearsnda
    There were no issues on the 27th, thank goodness! On another note, the numbers quoted about Friday's attendance in this thread are still wrong (not that anyone seems to care)
    Instead of just telling us that they're wrong, why don't you just give us the correct numbers then?... I mean, I'd like to know, just out of curiousity what it really was.

    Saturday 26th was super crowded. We got to the parking lot at 2pm and the sign said "Disneyland Park FULL." However, once we got to the esplanade, it looked like they were still selling tickets and letting people into the park. I guess they had just gotten enough people out of the park to start letting people back in.

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  • fearsnda
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    Originally posted by AStarOnMars
    A CM at the ticket booth said they stopped selling tickets at 1pm on 3-26 and it was probably going to be the same way on the day I was there, 3-27 ... the conversation came up when I was buying an AP
    There were no issues on the 27th, thank goodness! On another note, the numbers quoted about Friday's attendance in this thread are still wrong (not that anyone seems to care)

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  • AStarOnMars
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    A CM at the ticket booth said they stopped selling tickets at 1pm on 3-26 and it was probably going to be the same way on the day I was there, 3-27 ... the conversation came up when I was buying an AP

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  • Darkbeer
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    While capacity is truly measured by total "in-park" guests at any time, a lot of things are taken into consideration, and is not just a "static" number (such as 48,000).

    As mentioned before, the first thing that must be taken into consideration is construction that could close or restict emergency exits around the park. Also, repavement projects that elminate "open space", also each attraction has a capacity based on the amount of folks that can be on the ride, and in it's cue at one time. If the ride is closed, total park capacity goes down, and that can change during the day due to rides going "101". Also, Disney uses good old visual observations (as does the Fire Marshall) to see the impact of guests in their ability to move on the walkways (Remember, capacity is a safety issue, in which the guests can get out of the park in a reasonable quick manner if some major incident happened).

    Disney works with the Fire Marshall to come up with the "official" numbers. The big one is true "Fire Marshall" capacity, in which the park has reached the number the Anaheim Fire Marshall has detiremined to be for the day, based on the factors mentioned above.

    Then Disney has come up with their own set of numbers, which are set at lower limits...

    The first number sets of a change at the Ticket Windows, which they stop selling tickets for that park (for example, Disneyland), and then offers a DCA ticket, sometimes with a special mark to allow parkhopping at no extra charge, after a certain time. (Disney is constantly studying the park traffic flows, and knows that on certain days, a large amount of people will leave at a certain time, say in this example, 5 PM). They could allow folks to enter DL after 6 PM with the special ticket.

    The next number has the Ticket Booth stop offering any Multi-Day tickets that would be valid for that day, basically stopping all sells of admission media.

    The next number has Disney restrict the amount of guests entering the park, to match the amount of guests leaving. (Ever notice, they make you use a exit turnstyle at any time the park is open, but then open the gates when the park has "closed". There is no need to count folks leaving at that time, since they know everyone left in the park will be leaving in the next hour.) This number is just under the official "Fire Marshall" number, and is designed, if all works correctly, that the Fire Marshall will never have to step in and say... "The Park is closed to new guests". This allows Disney to make exceptions for Club 33 folks, and other folks they want to let in.

    But sometimes a glitch happens, or just the Fire Marshall numbers were a bit higher than they should be... The Fire Marshall can observe and step in anytime they want, and say the park is over-crowded, and that nobody can enter the park until "x" amount of guests have left.

    Disney prefers to keep control, and that is a good business decision.

    But there is no set "maximum" number, unless you want to say "If every attraction is open, and all guests areas are available, the number is".... And everytime a refurb project add or deletes open space (bascailly walkways) the number changes.

    So, the park never did hit "capacity" in the last few days, even though the Parking Marquee's stated that Disneyland was Full (Friday and Saturday), and that single day tickets were not being sold in the afternoon. Any guest with a ticket could enter at their leasure. So while the park got some large numbers, and were close to capacity, the park made sure it never got to capacity.....

    But on July 17th, you might have a problem, mainly with those folks that have pre-purchased ParkHoppers and Premium AP holders. Too many of them might show up, forcing the turnstyles to "hard close", restriciting entry, and those who leave the park to parkhop, grab a bite at DtD, go back to the hotel room, etc.. would also have to wait in a line to return to the park, based on others who are leaving.

    When the park stops selling other types of tickets, it also stops selling AP Blockout passes (which have to be purchased the day of use).

    Anyways, this is why folks are suggesting that you arrive early on July 17th, and plan to stay in the park (use lockers, etc. instead of leaving stuff in the car/hotel room).

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  • dshimel
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    Originally posted by Disneyfreak
    That is wrong because that is about average. On New Years they are over 80,000 people.

    If you take 12 million and divide by 365 you come up with an average daily attendance of about 33K per day.

    Now, we all know that off-season weekdays are below this, and summer is above this, with holiday's way above this.

    But, let's take your New Years Eve figure of 80,000. Park opens at 8:00 and by 1:00, 48,000 people have entered the park.... Then, some start to move over to DCA... say 5,000. So another 5,000 people are let into DL to maintain the 48,000 max in-park. Then 6:00 PM rolls around and families that have been in the park since 8:00 AM have exhausted kids, so they start heading out. Say 10,000 people... Another 10,000 are let into Disneyland to maintain the 48,000 max in park. Then 10:00 PM hits and Fantasmic ends and another big chunk of people leave, say, 10,000, so another 10,000 are let in to replace them...

    Peak attendance is 48,000 (max number of people inside DL at any given time). Total park attendnace for the day (in this pretend example) is 73,000.

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  • Gwyren
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    I just returned from DLR today. I would say it was Moderately heavily crowded - really not bad. Fastpasses for SM and Indy were out sometime after 15:00.

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  • fearsnda
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    Originally posted by AP2CM
    you're still about 10K too high. Remember though, there are 2 very different figures to consider: total in-park and peak attendance.
    Hmmmm... Comment suppressed!

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  • AP2CM
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    Originally posted by Disneyfreak
    Well I know this Sat it was packed to the gills with a 180 min wait for Splash Mountain, 120 min wait for Indy. Even Star Tours had a 60 min wait. I mean that is way over 48,000. It must have been like 70,000 yesterday.

    Also many of the rides broke down yesterday. Splash was down for over 2 hours, Buzz broke, and Indy broke.
    you're still about 10K too high. Remember though, there are 2 very different figures to consider: total in-park and peak attendance.

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  • Disneyfreak
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    Originally posted by AP2CM
    not recently. Last year we were well under 80K. Marcie (whoever that is) at Mouseinfo is wrong too. We were WAY over 48K yesterday.
    Well I know this Sat it was packed to the gills with a 180 min wait for Splash Mountain, 120 min wait for Indy. Even Star Tours had a 60 min wait. I mean that is way over 48,000. It must have been like 70,000 yesterday.

    Also many of the rides broke down yesterday. Splash was down for over 2 hours, Buzz broke, and Indy broke.

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  • AP2CM
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    Originally posted by Disneyfreak
    That is wrong because that is about average. On New Years they are over 80,000 people.
    not recently. Last year we were well under 80K. Marcie (whoever that is) at Mouseinfo is wrong too. We were WAY over 48K yesterday.

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