Lilo And Stitch Ride

[Guest]

WDW opened Stitch's Great Escape November 16 2004 should Disneyland get a Lilo And Stich Ride???????

[ModHatter]

WDW opened Stitch's Great Escape November 16 2004 should Disneyland get a Lilo And Stich Ride???????

I think Disneyland needs to learn from itself, and remember that putting the character before the ride is putting the cart before the horse.

If my memory is correct, toons didn't really escape Fantasyland until the Eisner era. And we all know how popular Eisner's decisions are... I'd much rather see Disney go back to creating characters like they did in Walt's day.

[Mickey's Friend]

I think that they probably should put in a Lilo and Stitch ride into Disneyland. However it should only go into Fantasyland and nowhere else. They should probably replace Pinochio's Daring Journey with a Lilo and Stitch attraction. What do you think?

[lilbigguy]

My vote is to take Aladin's Oasis and return it to the Tahitian Terrace with the "fakey luau" (Nani's words, not mine...). Maybe not go so heavy on the characters in some wacky plot, but more like having Nani be the hostess and narrator of the show, have David do the fire dance, bring out Lilo and her friends for a little recital, all face characters with Stitch being a sound character a la WDW for comic effect and possibly a meet & greet with Lilo & Stitch while exiting...my thing is to not take away from the performing of the native dancing. Oh yeah and maybe an exotic cocktail bar...virgin drinks if need be, but souvier tiki mugs would be real cool!

[pyrateslife4me84]

if you have heard anything about how the stitch show turned out at WDW, it becomes pretty apparent that it is garbage. Keep stitch out of California!

[FloggingMorgy]

if you were to do a L&S ride it should be put in Adventureland due to the Hawaiian location setting, I'm not sure if it would fit anywhere else. But there really isnt any room back there.

[Guest]

really mabye a kind of lilo and stitch ride would make a good place in Tommrowland if they put there it may have something to do with jumba's lab or something they could put in innovetions. If that does not work mabye Advetureland or somewhere in the CA Adventure park. Fantasyland would be a terrible spot to put it in.

[Momzilla59]

My vote is to take Aladin's Oasis and return it to the Tahitian Terrace with the "fakey luau" (Nani's words, not mine...). Maybe not go so heavy on the characters in some wacky plot, but more like having Nani be the hostess and narrator of the show, have David do the fire dance, bring out Lilo and her friends for a little recital, all face characters with Stitch being a sound character a la WDW for comic effect and possibly a meet & greet with Lilo & Stitch while exiting...my thing is to not take away from the performing of the native dancing. Oh yeah and maybe an exotic cocktail bar...virgin drinks if need be, but souvier tiki mugs would be real cool!

What a great tie in idea! This would give us back the Tahitian Terrace. Full service restaurants are sorely lacking in the park. The character meals would be even better with Lilo and Stitch, and YES I'd love a tiki mug to take home!

Alien Encounter was pretty lame, but apparently the Stitch overlay outright stunk.

Out with Aladdin! Bring back the Fire Dancers!

[MasterGracey]

I agree with stitch'sgreatescape101 the Fantasyland is a terrible idea for a Lilo and Stitch ride. Adventureland would be an ideal spot, or I could even see something go in at DCA. Sure, it's not Disney's Hawaiian Adventure, but really, theyve been drifting away from the theme for a while now anyway, and DCA is the only place you see Lilo & Stitch walk-around characters, right?

I don't think it should go in Tomorrowland.. but if it does, i guess it will even out the Disney-to-Pixar-themed offerings a bit, right? Nemo, Buzz, Stitch. ..hmm..

But Fantasyland is a no-no. Fantasyland is definately a place soley for classic old European storybook fairy tales and whatnot. The only attraction in Fantasyland that doesnt feature classic fairytale settings is Storybook Land which has more contemporary parts dealing with the Aladdin and Little Mermaid films...

[ModHatter]

Fantasyland is definately a place soley for classic old European storybook fairy tales and whatnot. The only attraction in Fantasyland that doesnt feature classic fairytale settings is Storybook Land which has more contemporary parts dealing with the Aladdin and Little Mermaid films...

Ummm... how about small world?

Besides, only one Fantasyland ride is actually a European fairytale, in the truest sense. Aside from Snow White, you have Peter Pan, Toad, and Alice, which were all recent animated releases when these rides were created. And they all dealt with the recent past. If Ihe theme of Fantasyland was European storybook fairytales, certainly there would have been a Cinerella attraction.

Instead, Fantasyland is a suitable home to ALL forms of fantasy. And certainly, L&S and its vision of cute little aliens is fantasy. It's not tomorrow, has nothing to do with a frontier, doesn't really have any adventure in it... maybe you could consider Stitch a critter...? And of course, he's a toon.

But again... the only idea that is based more on entertainment than product tie-ins has been the excellent suggestion of adding the Stitch family to Tahitian Terrace. TT is a fun idea anyway. Stitch is just an added plus.

[NPCody]

I thought a futuristic 3D Stitch movie to replace HISTA in Tomorrowland would be cool.

HISTA needs to be replaced with SOMETHING.

[Witches of Morva]

ORDDU: Actually, Lilo and Stitch--since they are contemporary characters--fit quite well into Tomorrowland.

ORWEN: I've never been able to understand why some ducklings out there think all animated characters should be exiled to Fantasyland. It seems as though there is a dislike of characters--for some--who, if they had their way--would completely do away with them altogether.

ORDDU: Yet Disneyland is supposed to be the HOME for Disney characters. It's true that they should be properly located. But putting ALL of them in Fantasyland is a mistake. I think Adventureland is the perfect home for characters from THE JUNGLE BOOK, THE LION KING, TARZAN and ALADDIN.

ORWEN: And Tomorrowland is perfect for Buzz Lightyear and Stitch. After all, they're so well related to the Space Program. Seeing Buzz Lightyear or Stitch in a Fantasyland's European setting would just CLASH!

ORDDU: Besides that, it's nice to spread the characters around so that everyone has a better chance to see them. Having them all in one land creates too much congestion in one area for the fans of these characters who want to make sure they see them.

ORWEN: Besides, having characters sprinkled through-out the park is NOT an Eisner idea. Long before he ever took over, characters were often found outside of Fantasyland. (I just love to see Mary Poppins and Bert in Town Square because they fit THERE, due to their period costumes.)

[ModHatter]

ORDDU: Actually, Lilo and Stitch--since they are contemporary characters--fit quite well into Tomorrowland.

ORWEN: I've never been able to understand why some ducklings out there think all animated characters should be exiled to Fantasyland. It seems as though there is a dislike of characters--for some--who, if they had their way--would completely do away with them altogether.

ORDDU: Yet Disneyland is supposed to be the HOME for Disney characters. It's true that they should be properly located. But putting ALL of them in Fantasyland is a mistake. I think Adventureland is the perfect home for characters from THE JUNGLE BOOK, THE LION KING, TARZAN and ALADDIN.

ORWEN: And Tomorrowland is perfect for Buzz Lightyear and Stitch. After all, they're so well related to the Space Program. Seeing Buzz Lightyear or Stitch in a Fantasyland's European setting would just CLASH!

ORDDU: Besides that, it's nice to spread the characters around so that everyone has a better chance to see them. Having them all in one land creates too much congestion in one area for the fans of these characters who want to make sure they see them.

ORWEN: Besides, having characters sprinkled through-out the park is NOT an Eisner idea. Long before he ever took over, characters were often found outside of Fantasyland. (I just love to see Mary Poppins and Bert in Town Square because they fit THERE, due to their period costumes.)

See, I think both of you have missed the point.

1) It's Tomorrowland, not Contemporaryland. The very definitions of "tomorrow" and "contemporary" mean that contemporary characters like Stich don't belong in Tomorrowland.

2) According to your theory (keeping characters in lands with an appropriate theme = disliking animated characters), Walt disliked animated characters... I hate to beat this into the ground, but it's a THEMEpark. If you destroy the themes, you destroy the park. It is possible to put animated characters into other lands, IF they fit the theme... but why? Have we given up on Disneyland's ability to create great NEW characters? Think of all the classic Disney attractions that were NOT based on existing cartoon characters. Those represent Walt's dreams, and I personally value those a lot more than the cynical marketing ploys of rides like Pooh.

3) Mary Poppins is actually not a toon. And besides, that was never the point. The point was putting toons in RIDES outside of Fantasyland, which again, if I'm not mistaken, didn't happen until Splash Mountain, well into the Eisner era, which also included non-Disney commercial tie-ins such as Captain EO and Star Tours.

Bottom line... if someone built a great new attraction, and it happened to have Stitch, it'd still be a great new attraction. Just as, if someone built a terrible ride, and it happened to have Stitch, it'd still be a terrible ride.

It's also fine to say, "I was watching Stitch, and this one part looked like it could be the basis of a great ride." I myself watch Mary Poppins and think "Wow, this scene would make an awesome ride, and the fact that it already has the Mary Poppins characters to populate it makes it even cooler." But saying Stitch needs a ride just because he doesn't have one in Anaheim isn't reason enough.

[Jspider]

Ummm... how about small world?

Besides, only one Fantasyland ride is actually a European fairytale, in the truest sense. Aside from Snow White, you have Peter Pan, Toad, and Alice, which were all recent animated releases when these rides were created. And they all dealt with the recent past. If Ihe theme of Fantasyland was European storybook fairytales, certainly there would have been a Cinerella attraction.

Instead, Fantasyland is a suitable home to ALL forms of fantasy. And certainly, L&S and its vision of cute little aliens is fantasy. It's not tomorrow, has nothing to do with a frontier, doesn't really have any adventure in it... maybe you could consider Stitch a critter...? And of course, he's a toon.

But again... the only idea that is based more on entertainment than product tie-ins has been the excellent suggestion of adding the Stitch family to Tahitian Terrace. TT is a fun idea anyway. Stitch is just an added plus.

Small World is set pretty far apart from the rest of Fantasyland

in general the space that makes up Fantasyland is very european themed and while not all of them are exact european fairytales they clearly have a european setting and tie in artisticaly to that time (as well as match themselve artisticly to the animation style of the day)

Fantasyland is a VERY general term but it seems to me that it was set up that way not neccissarily as a concentration camp for toons but simply because at the time Disney movies and themes for the most part made since in a medevil fair type enviornment and it matched well to be placed behind the castle

you have to remeber that lands arn't just themed by their names they're themed by their own artistic style to throw ANY Disney movie character back into that land would destroy it's cohesive feel, it would look horrible if it was a mishmesh of jungles (tarzan, Jungle book) forests (Robin Hood) castles (princess movies) oceans (little Mermaid) modern homes and toys (toy story) Hawii (Lilo and stitch) all just shoveld into one section of the park

and dispite what some people say Toontown is also not a good concentration camp for chartoon based movies (toontown is more for generic cartoon/saturday morning type toons not something that generaly matches most of Disney's present movie characters)


Tomorrowland's theme has deviated quite a bit and while Disney has artisticaly tried to place it as the Tomorrow that never was, it's becoming quite clear that it's more of a Sci-Fi land then anything else and Lilo and Stitch do fit that bill. I do like the Sci Fi theme in that it allows for both fantasy future and science future to coexist more cohesivly (since ideas from our fantasy future are things we tend to aim for when developing new devices using our science) Aliens and planets to explore have always been something we thought we'd do in the future and in that way Stitch matches (though obviously the hawian setting of the film does not)



in the end my point is that characters DO belong in other places in Disneyland not just in fantasyland and Toontown so that the park itself can maintain an artistic cohesiveness, I would also say that while characters can/should be allowed into other parts of the park their presentations should match the theme/feel of the land that they're in. I'm growing tired of these fantasyland like darkrides, Roger Rabbit was fine because artisticaly it worked fine, however Pooh did not work because they didn't consider the feel of the land or the fact that it would basicaly come AFTER a line of attractions with a different scope (Splash Mountain is ok to go on after riding the Haunted Mansion because the characters are presented very similarly in animatronic fashion dispite the different art style, Pooh on the other hand sticks out like a soar thumb as far as ride experience goes, Tokyo's Pooh would've been a better artistic match even without it's ride vehicals it's art style was quite impressive)

[Sambo]

I think Disneyland needs to learn from itself, and remember that putting the character before the ride is putting the cart before the horse.

If my memory is correct, toons didn't really escape Fantasyland until the Eisner era. And we all know how popular Eisner's decisions are... I'd much rather see Disney go back to creating characters like they did in Walt's day.

BRAVO!

[ModHatter]

Small World is set pretty far apart from the rest of Fantasyland

in general the space that makes up Fantasyland is very european themed and while not all of them are exact european fairytales they clearly have a european setting and tie in artisticaly to that time (as well as match themselve artisticly to the animation style of the day)

Fantasyland is a VERY general term but it seems to me that it was set up that way not neccissarily as a concentration camp for toons but simply because at the time Disney movies and themes for the most part made since in a medevil fair type enviornment and it matched well to be placed behind the castle

you have to remeber that lands arn't just themed by their names they're themed by their own artistic style to throw ANY Disney movie character back into that land would destroy it's cohesive feel, it would look horrible if it was a mishmesh of jungles (tarzan, Jungle book) forests (Robin Hood) castles (princess movies) oceans (little Mermaid) modern homes and toys (toy story) Hawii (Lilo and stitch) all just shoveld into one section of the park

and dispite what some people say Toontown is also not a good concentration camp for chartoon based movies (toontown is more for generic cartoon/saturday morning type toons not something that generaly matches most of Disney's present movie characters)


Tomorrowland's theme has deviated quite a bit and while Disney has artisticaly tried to place it as the Tomorrow that never was, it's becoming quite clear that it's more of a Sci-Fi land then anything else and Lilo and Stitch do fit that bill. I do like the Sci Fi theme in that it allows for both fantasy future and science future to coexist more cohesivly (since ideas from our fantasy future are things we tend to aim for when developing new devices using our science) Aliens and planets to explore have always been something we thought we'd do in the future and in that way Stitch matches (though obviously the hawian setting of the film does not)



in the end my point is that characters DO belong in other places in Disneyland not just in fantasyland and Toontown so that the park itself can maintain an artistic cohesiveness, I would also say that while characters can/should be allowed into other parts of the park their presentations should match the theme/feel of the land that they're in. I'm growing tired of these fantasyland like darkrides, Roger Rabbit was fine because artisticaly it worked fine, however Pooh did not work because they didn't consider the feel of the land or the fact that it would basicaly come AFTER a line of attractions with a different scope (Splash Mountain is ok to go on after riding the Haunted Mansion because the characters are presented very similarly in animatronic fashion dispite the different art style, Pooh on the other hand sticks out like a soar thumb as far as ride experience goes, Tokyo's Pooh would've been a better artistic match even without it's ride vehicals it's art style was quite impressive)

Distance aside, small world is still Fantasyland, and it has nothing to do with European fairytales. As stated, only one current attraction is even based on a true fairy tale.

In essence, you have the immediate castle area that is European. But then you have Casey Jr. and Dumbo that are clearly contemporary American (when it was built). You had Midget Autopia that was plainly contemporary American. You had Motoboat Cruise and Fantasyland Autopia which were, you guessed it, contemporary American. And then you have small world which, when it opened, was contemporary global. That's a HUGE chunk of Tomorrowland that has little or nothing to do with Fairytales or Europe. So, adding more contemporary American elements would actually not be a mish-mash at all. It would be a continuation of the existing theme. Same with Toon Town. Bad idea to begin with, but if it's there, it makes just as much sense for any Disney toon to live there. What, is this the Beverly Hills of Disneyland, that has a gentlemen's agreement to keep undesirable toons out? I hardly think of Mickey as Saturday Morning Cartoon material. Besides, we have to consider what the average parkgoer will think in such a land. Do we really think City Hall will get demands for thousands of refunds because Stitch moved in next to Gadget???

That nice coat of paint in Tomorrowland is finally erasing the Tomorrow that Never Was, because it's a theme no one wanted to see. And based on the WDW experience, Stitch isn't a particularly Tomorrowland concept. Just as people don't want to walk into Nordstroms and discover it's a Walmart, people don't want to walk into a Tomorrowland that has nothing to do with Tomorrow, and Stich is simply not Tomorrow. I haven't seen one post describing a Tomorrow-thinking Stitch concept. He is, however, a toon, and a contemporary American fantasy, and thus fits thematically into either Toon Town of Fantasyland's contemporary American section.

Bottom line... if the imagineers want to tell a Tomorrowland story, it should either contain new characters, or characters that actually fit Tomorrowland (like in the Black Hole, for instance). If they want to tell a Frontierland story, they should create characters, or choose characters who would have actually had something to do with the frontier (not, for instance, a cheesy puppet whose backstory only post-dates him to the 1950s). If, however, they just want to merchandise a popular toon, stick it in the land already named for toons. stop shoehorning characters that don't belong in other lands and ruining THEIR themes when there are two lands already tailor made to hold them.

[Guest]

i think that Tommrowland would make most since it is possible to have lilo and stitch ride in the innovetions area they can throw lilo in too you see what happens in the future and see lilo grown up and see rockets,gadgets,new devices, and of course stitch not grown up because jumba's expermients don't grow up. So i think Tommrowland is the best place.

[Witches of Morva]

ORWEN: Maybe we're all just splitting hairs around here. But I still don't see that it's appropriate to place Lilo & Stitch in Fantasyland. When Orddu and I said that they are contemporary characters, we meant that--because of that--they need a setting that's more modern than, say, Fantasyland or even Main Street USA. Since there isn't any other land at Disneyland that comes anywhere close to being merely 'contemporary', then Tomorrowland is the best place to put them--especially because they have connections to outer space and space ships.

ORDDU: I think the REAL concern should be the quality of the attractions--regardless of whether or not they're based on a Disney animated character. In Florida, for instance, STITCH'S GREAT ESCAPE really isn't worthy of being based on ANY particular character. It's a monstrosity of an attraction that has failed to please anyone.

ORWEN: And for those who dislike seeing Disney characters at a Disney theme park, perhaps you'd be more content at a non-Disney theme park where you have no particular mythology to begin with. In the meantime, the whole point of Disneyland is to have a home where Disney characters can frolic with the guests while on their way to the next attraction. This was the case long before Michael Eisner ever came along so it's sort of hard to understand how anyone could credit him, alone, for promoting Disney characters all over the park. It's a long held tradition--and one that we hope never goes away. I guess you have to be young a heart to truly appreciate the Disney characters.

ORDDU: Just remember, ducklings; it all started with a mouse!

[Hector]

The fact that Stitch is an alien already qualifies him for an attraction in Tomorrowland. Simply put people associate aliens with the future. The only other place I can think of a place fitting would be adventureland (I really like the Tahitian Terrace idea) because the movie is set in Hawaii, and people still think of it as an exotic location.

It really wouldn't work in Toontown, as the story isn't set in a "toon" world such as the fab five or Roger Rabbit to an extent with Toontown co-existing with the "real world" in the movie. Fantasyland could work, but again, Stitch is an alien which people automatically think "future" which is why Buzz fits Tomorrowland as well.

[ModHatter]

In the meantime, the whole point of Disneyland is to have a home where Disney characters can frolic with the guests while on their way to the next attraction. This was the case long before Michael Eisner ever came along so it's sort of hard to understand how anyone could credit him, alone, for promoting Disney characters all over the park.

Well, again, just so you get the facts straight... no one, and certainly not me, said anything like what you're arguing.

In response to creating a toon RIDE like Lilo and Stitch, I said the following:

"If my memory is correct, toons didn't really escape Fantasyland until the Eisner era. And we all know how popular Eisner's decisions are... I'd much rather see Disney go back to creating characters like they did in Walt's day."

And then, to clear up any confusion, I said the following:

"The point was putting toons in RIDES outside of Fantasyland, which again, if I'm not mistaken, didn't happen until Splash Mountain, well into the Eisner era, which also included non-Disney commercial tie-ins such as Captain EO and Star Tours."

Hopefully you understand this time around.