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  • Pixar rides smell like Pooh!

    What is wrong with Disney? Disneyland was built to inspire people to dream and imagine. After 50 years, the dreaming and imagining have given way to building rides that are just card board cut out promotions for Direct to video movies. That stinks like Pooh.

    I doubt very much that the people at Pixar enjoy seeing their characters beaten to death. Why else would they put the satirical short "Adventure of Mr. Incredible with Skipperdoo" in the bonus material of the DVD. In case, you haven't seen it, it's 2d animated short that makes fun of lower than Hanna Barbara style television animation. There's even an audio commentary by Mr. Incredible and Frozone that's hillarious.

    By not pushing the limits and challenging the incredible people at WDI, mediocracy will reign supreme. Expect more rides that look like Pooh!

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    Yeah... this is about the time where I recap one of my favorite comparisons.

    Pooh by himself is Disney's #1 selling character. He and his friends are estimated to generate 1/5 of Disney's entire revenue. He is a Disney character since the 1960s, and a part of children's literature for 80 years. His ride was built in Disneyland, next to an E ticket that normally has at least a 90 minute wait time, and there is no way to get to and from this E ticket without passing the Pooh ride... and it flopped.

    Monsters does okay, but it's not #1. It's a fairly recent movie, and being a new story not based on existing literature, hasn't had a way to develop a fan base for decades like Pooh did. The Monsters ride will be close to two empty buildings. The closest e ticket typically only has a 13 minute wait. And most people coming and going to ToT will take HPB's main drag and never see the Monsters building... If you ask me, it smells worse than Pooh.

    As temporary rides, fine. I've personally thought that Pinocchio, not being one of the original dark rides, should give up its home every few years to host a temporary dark ride based on whatever's popular at that moment. Or, create the same kind of rotating dark ride facility where the old Skyway station is, in the old Motorboat Cruise area, or somewhere along the way to small world. Call it the Fantasyland Showcase and Imagineer it to be very flexible. But don't go building new Fantasyland-style rides until a movie has been around for at least 20 years, and then if you feel it's still justified, give it a brand new home, brand new ride vehicles, and a full budget.
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    • #3
      That's spot on!

      Originally posted by ModHatter
      Yeah... this is about the time where I recap one of my favorite comparisons.

      Pooh by himself is Disney's #1 selling character. He and his friends are estimated to generate 1/5 of Disney's entire revenue. He is a Disney character since the 1960s, and a part of children's literature for 80 years. His ride was built in Disneyland, next to an E ticket that normally has at least a 90 minute wait time, and there is no way to get to and from this E ticket without passing the Pooh ride... and it flopped.

      Monsters does okay, but it's not #1. It's a fairly recent movie, and being a new story not based on existing literature, hasn't had a way to develop a fan base for decades like Pooh did. The Monsters ride will be close to two empty buildings. The closest e ticket typically only has a 13 minute wait. And most people coming and going to ToT will take HPB's main drag and never see the Monsters building... If you ask me, it smells worse than Pooh.

      As temporary rides, fine. I've personally thought that Pinocchio, not being one of the original dark rides, should give up its home every few years to host a temporary dark ride based on whatever's popular at that moment. Or, create the same kind of rotating dark ride facility where the old Skyway station is, in the old Motorboat Cruise area, or somewhere along the way to small world. Call it the Fantasyland Showcase and Imagineer it to be very flexible. But don't go building new Fantasyland-style rides until a movie has been around for at least 20 years, and then if you feel it's still justified, give it a brand new home, brand new ride vehicles, and a full budget.
      That's so dead on correct. Why even spend the money on a ride that won't cut it. After 50 years the rides that have stood the test of time are the ones that went big on imagination and originality.

      There's some very good news that happened today. Strategic Planning has been largely disolved! This means that Matt, Greg and team will call the shots for the park. The power has been shifted to the individual business units.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SuperDisneyDad
        Why else would they put the satirical short "Adventure of Mr. Incredible with Skipperdoo" in the bonus material of the DVD. In case, you haven't seen it, it's 2d animated short that makes fun of lower than Hanna Barbara style television animation. There's even an audio commentary by Mr. Incredible and Frozone that's hillarious.
        Actually, the short in question goes back even further than Hanna Barbera to a technique first used for the series "Clutch Cargo", which may have come from Terrytoons in New Rochelle, NY.

        Bonus points for the first person who can name Clutch's two sidekicks.

        It is hilarious, though, and the voice overs are even funnier.

        When it comes to taking whacks at Disney, though, you can't top the first Shrek movie...

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        • #5
          I couldn't stop laughing when I saw "Adventure of Mr. Incredible with Skipperdoo" ... I don't think that kids have ever seen "Clutch Cargo" or "Space Angel" but for those of us old enough to remember that bad animation.... it was really funny

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          • #6
            yea I dont want to see anymore Pixar rides after Monsters Inc.

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            • #7
              No Pixar Attractions! Even Monsters!!

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              • #8
                How ironic that Clutch Cargo would get mentioned now. Two excellent DVD sets of the entire series were just released last week. Clutch Cargo, Season 1

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wotan
                  Actually, the short in question goes back even further than Hanna Barbera to a technique first used for the series "Clutch Cargo", which may have come from Terrytoons in New Rochelle, NY.

                  Bonus points for the first person who can name Clutch's two sidekicks.
                  You mean Spinner and Paddlefoot? Clutch Cargo was hilarious, I remember when Comedy Central used to play Clutch, Lancelot Link: Secret Chimp and Supercar in blocks. Hilarity always ensued...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SuperDisneyDad
                    I doubt very much that the people at Pixar enjoy seeing their characters beaten to death.
                    Disney does that...they KNOW Pixar is a successful franchise. They just look over the fact of the WORK that goes into a Pixar film, that all they know is take something even mildly successful and beat it until EVERYONE, but EVERYONE wants to puke until they die at the sight of that movie or the characters in it...
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                    • #11
                      They did a pretty good job with the Astro Blasters! in TL, though. That ride sort of blew me out of the water in terms of interactivity, although I wouldn't really call it "E-Ticket" quality (although the line would have told me otherwise.)

                      That Pooh ride is so... I have no idea why I waited in line for that. I wish they had made it like the Tokyo Disneyland version (which is amazing, from the video I've seen.)

                      Hopefully this Monster's Inc. ride will be good -- it was a popular movie... man.. DCA needs to repair itself quick.

                      Originally posted by superdisneydad
                      There's some very good news that happened today. Strategic Planning has been largely disolved! This means that Matt, Greg and team will call the shots for the park. The power has been shifted to the individual business units.
                      Here's to a better tomorrow for DLR.
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                      • #12
                        I personally liked Buzz. I don't think we should count our chickens before they're hatched. I hope I don't sound overly optimistic and naive, because I am normally horribly cynical, but I am looking forward to Monsters and Nemo because they were good movies with lovable characters and I think they've learned from Pooh.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Michelle
                          I am looking forward to Monsters and Nemo because they were good movies with lovable characters and I think they've learned from Pooh.
                          I agree, too. If they up the ante (as much as can be with Pixar characters) like they did with Indy with a loved character/concept plust awesome innovations then I think it will work.

                          Just as long as it isn't scary, highlighted black lit cardboard cut-outs staring at me.
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                          • #14
                            I think we are salavating for a new E-ticket attraction on the scale of Indy. But what I dont understand is why they dont give what the public wants.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Disneyfreak
                              I think we are salavating for a new E-ticket attraction on the scale of Indy. But what I dont understand is why they dont give what the public wants.
                              Because attendance is still doing well. Only a few ways to change that, and most people here wouldn't like one of the changes.
                              In the past, new e-ticket rides were built because attendance was expected to drop every five years, after everyone who regularly paid to go (say once every two years or so) had ridden the most recent one. Now, attendance doesn't drop. So nothing fantastic gets built.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by sediment
                                Because attendance is still doing well. Only a few ways to change that, and most people here wouldn't like one of the changes.
                                In the past, new e-ticket rides were built because attendance was expected to drop every five years, after everyone who regularly paid to go (say once every two years or so) had ridden the most recent one. Now, attendance doesn't drop. So nothing fantastic gets built.
                                Actually, if you look at attendance patterns in the 80s, attendance ROSE. From 1984 to 1989, it rose about 4.5 million. With a new E ticket or two built in parts of the park currently with zero or poor capacity per square foot, Disneyland could increase total park capacity and have attendance rise back to where it was over 15 years ago, and climb OVER that figure.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by ModHatter
                                  Actually, if you look at attendance patterns in the 80s, attendance ROSE. From 1984 to 1989, it rose about 4.5 million. With a new E ticket or two built in parts of the park currently with zero or poor capacity per square foot, Disneyland could increase total park capacity and have attendance rise back to where it was over 15 years ago, and climb OVER that figure.
                                  true but they'd get even more theoreticaly if they could actualy get people into DCA

                                  as far as Disneyland goes I think they should fix a few traffic issues first, youknow like add Liberty Square as a little offshoot from mainstreet close to the entrance so that there are essentualy two ways to get back to that entryway to cut back on congestion for entering and exiting the park on those nightmare days (Christmas/New Years season I'm looking at YOU!!!)
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                                  • #18
                                    Nemo makeover of the Subs does sound like it could be promising, BUT a Monster Makeover of Superstar Limo really sounds like it could turn out worse than Superstar Limo. A simple makeover of Superstar ain't gonna cut it. And if that's what they try, it could give DCA a reputation worse than it already has.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Aladdin
                                      T a Monster Makeover of Superstar Limo really sounds like it could turn out worse than Superstar Limo. A simple makeover of Superstar ain't gonna cut it. And if that's what they try, it could give DCA a reputation worse than it already has.
                                      Precisely... I suspect that the average person doesn't know how well-done Buzz is. I bet a lot of them think it will be the same cut-out crud as Pooh. Monsters will most likely kill the tie-in rides as an effective marketing tool. It's about perception.

                                      You know what happens when Disney opens up a ride like Monsters? People see the add and think to themselves, "Well, I can pretty much guess what THAT will be like." Where's the mystery? What's going to draw people in?

                                      I really do think, based on the available evidence, that this is just a temporary overlay. Not HMH temporary, but just a few years while DLR finishes its celebration, and the park's next overdue attraction is put in. We're basically talking Gummi Glen here.
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                                      "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

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                                      • #20
                                        Well from the posts I have read I will prob be in the minority here but here I go.

                                        I happen to think that Buzz rocks. That said; I think that people compare "Pixar" with the Pooh ride, I will give that Pooh is not up to what most of us would consider a great Disney ride. I know it never seems to be busy, not the normal 45 minute wail like Peter Pan. but it seems to me to do its job well. It works great when you are with a group of friends with small children and the adults want to ride Splash, it gives the kids something to do while waiting.

                                        As for Using Pixar themes, Disney is going after a specific market, Children, and that means they want to market to what the kids want. Given the choice between A little mermaid or Nemo overlay my Kids being 9 and 12 dont think of Mermaid the way we adults do.

                                        Just my own thoughts.

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