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  • DoppelV
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    Allrighty, I just need to clairify I few things...
    I have seen the diagrams and the satelite pictures of the Disneyland area, I know there is a lot of land left, I'm simply saying that closing that land off to all who don't pay an admission price may not be the way to go.

    I realize that redevelopment is a trend, I should know, being an architecture student, and having worked on such projects all the time. Urban redevelopment is great, but it needs to be smart. I don't believe a full third (or fourth) theme park fulfills that requirement.

    Even Walt himself did not feel all of Disney land should be used for theme parks. In his original scheme for Florida, he reserved only a small parcel in the north for park development. If Disney wants to increase tourism in their Anaheim property, they need to be working on a "full" vacation destination. Basically, people do not need to stay in Anaheim to enjoy Disneyland, and honestly there are people who go to LA not just to see Disneyland.

    Last, this is simply an opinion. What I say and think is ultimately meaningless, I just wanted to propose a possiblity for the future.

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  • desertdweller
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    Originally posted by cellarhound
    That is sort of why they need a third gate in Anaheim.

    Right now, DCA is such a pathetic second gate - I prefer to call it the parkhopper overflow gate - that if they place a third gate it would mean that they actually have 2 and 1/2 gates... In fact they should connect DL and DCA by monorail and keep the park hopper price and just be done with the idea that DCA is a second gate...
    That's a gigantic chunk of real estate that combines the old mobilehome park/cast parking with the farm behind it. They could do something fantastic with it for sure.

    From the days of previews and the grand opening I've been saying that DCA simply can't do it on its own as a second gate. In the first weeks I told several Disney suits that they would be better off operating it as a supplemental add on to the DL ticket. For months they watched daily as hardly anyone showed up. It wasn't until much later that they began offering the park hopper. I totally agree with cellarhound and believe it would work so much better as another land to DL.

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  • JoeCool
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    A 3rd gate is probably inevitable. Given the fact that Disney owns a large number of acres of land surrounding Disneyland and DCA. There is no need to rush to build a 3rd gate. DCA is less than 5 years old and still has teething problems to deal with. Disneyland's Tomorrowland needs a much needed update and facelift after the 1998 failure to update Tomorrowland. DCA still needs a few "E-Ticket" attractions to raise attendance. I dare say the Disney's new CEO Robert Iger may have plans for a third gate in Anaheim but probably only after Disneyland and DCA get their new attractions and refurbishments.

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  • Giant Panda
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    Originally posted by Niyxstyx

    As much as people do not want to admit it, Anaheim is not Orlando, and unfortunately will never be Orlando. It just doesn't have the space or the virgin landscape.
    First off, welcome to the boards .....

    As I have posted before, it is only a matter of time really before the "virgin landscape" of which you speak will be perceived as having a real value. The destruction of the Everglades has had a profound effect on the environment.

    The concept of redevelopment is not new, most mature cities have a redevelopment agency that promotes this type of activity. Revitalization of aging infrastructure and the infusion of economic vitality is worthy of promotion.

    Barring some massive natural disaster or war, I don't see the population of California and the west dropping, so the potential customer base of the Anaheim resort is sure to grow.

    Put it all together, and I see a third (or even fourth) gate as an inevitable necessity. And I don't have to fly to Florida in hurricane season to reap the benefit!

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  • ah schucks
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    The notion of a 3rd gate, while near and dear to my imagination, is a messy notion feeled with logisitics that can't be fathomed yet. The DLR will never compare as a resort to Florida, it just can't. The WDR feeds into the cruiseline and has 4 gates and more hotels and has room for growth. DLR just doen't...

    That doesn't mean it should be abandoned or relocated to a historical museum posistion. Disney will have to create new ways of approaching resort vacations in Southern California or produce more reason for local tourism. I was at one point strongly opposed to gate options outside of walking distance of the current two gates but recently I have begun to think that create "mini resorts" within reasonable distances of each other are not a bad thought.

    Per example, I truly believe Disney should consider the sponsership and part ownership of the pre-exsistant Wild Animal Park, just an hour or so south of the current gate. The Wild Animal Park is already easily possed to become a fantastic west coast version of the Animal Kingdom in Florida and with some Disney magic it could be agreat gate option in a very reasonable and near future. Considering it is located near casinos and lots of open land, a mini-resort could be complete the West Coast experiance.

    Other options were mentioned in another thread about Long Beach, once considered for another gate and previously invested with Disney money in the Spruce Goose/ Queen Mary location, it could yet become another gate for a "mini-resort." With the launch of the west coast version of the cruise line, creating a gate there or just a mini-resort seems like a reasonable opportunity for the house of mouse.

    There could be other opportunities here for Disney, partnering with railroads to offer transportation to other gates. Creating a rental car division to provide more mobile transportation. Partnering with cities and resorts to create new entertainment options, like bringing Lego into the fold and offering vistors vacation packages to all of the gates.

    This is merly a different way of looking at expanding gate options and presenting a new economic approach to the gate scenario. Of course someone with far more econmic experiance and knowledge will surely take my slice of imagination and hammer arguments into all the holes this has to offer.

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  • cellarhound
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    Originally posted by Niyxstyx
    As much as people do not want to admit it, Anaheim is not Orlando, and unfortunately will never be Orlando. It just doesn't have the space or the virgin landscape. Now don't get me wrong, Disneyland is my absolute favorite of the Disney Parks, and for me, being able to visit there last year was like a trek to Mecca. But, face it, Anaheim lacks the openness, the space, the transportation, and basically the reputation an area needs to merit a full entertainment megaplex. People are skeptical about visiting the Southern California area (in particular, the LA area). Many people cannot afford multiple vacations and given a decision, will choose central Florida over Southern California.
    That is sort of why they need a third gate in Anaheim.

    We have discussed this at lenght before... but the problem is this... If the theme parks resorts are focusing on Disney Vacation's, which have become so popular and profitable on the East Coast... That corporate knows when they look at DLR they see that the model can be improved... How DLR can grow is if they increase number of Hotel rooms... and keep customers at the resort longer "on property" so vacationers spend more money with disney than visiting the surrounding area.

    Right now, DCA is such a pathetic second gate - I prefer to call it the parkhopper overflow gate - that if they place a third gate it would mean that they actually have 2 and 1/2 gates... In fact they should connect DL and DCA by monorail and keep the park hopper price and just be done with the idea that DCA is a second gate...

    People have been using Knotts as a second gate for years... and Magic Mountain/Universal Studios to fill the gaps for weeklong stays. Why lose money... they are really coming to see DL....

    It would be just as conveniant for people to stay in one place as to travel from park to park to park... And with what people save on travel time, it can be spent on DLR merchendise...

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  • Dan3
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    uhhhhh did you see the pictures of that big chunk of land they got?... its bigger then disneyland.

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  • DoppelV
    started a topic Third Gate?

    Third Gate?

    Okay, I know what the general response is going to be, but I just have to pose this question...does Disneyland truely need a third gate?

    The way I see it, Disneyland is a treasure for three main kinds of people...the fanatics (true Disney fans), the passerbys (Side/Day Trippers), and the SoCals (The lucky ones in my book ). Now from a tourist standpoint, being from Minnesota, I have some experience with this, the addition of a third theme park would be redundant.

    As much as people do not want to admit it, Anaheim is not Orlando, and unfortunately will never be Orlando. It just doesn't have the space or the virgin landscape. Now don't get me wrong, Disneyland is my absolute favorite of the Disney Parks, and for me, being able to visit there last year was like a trek to Mecca. But, face it, Anaheim lacks the openness, the space, the transportation, and basically the reputation an area needs to merit a full entertainment megaplex. People are skeptical about visiting the Southern California area (in particular, the LA area). Many people cannot afford multiple vacations and given a decision, will choose central Florida over Southern California.

    Disneyland is a special place, and always will be. With that, it needs to be maintained and expanded to the best of the Walt Disney company's abilities. However, adding a third park at anytime would basically be adding more "entertainment clutter" to an area that just can't handle it. Disney needs to focus on expanding the sister parks in relation to their environment. Open up the surrounding areas as best as economy will allow. Save the undeveloped areas for hotels, waterparks, or other attractions that do not need lots of space. My biggest gripe about California Adventure was that it did not utilize the space it had, it was a very small park, and I honestly believe it does not merit a full day's admission. Disneyland can ill afford another such park. It needs to re-establish CA as a headliner, instead of a sideshow. The Disneyland Resort can by all means expand, but let the people enjoy the parks for what they are, instead of how many, quality over quantity.

    Okay, let's see what you guys think, be gentle! :o

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