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  • Submarine Lagoon!!!

    :bow: finally, true progress is being made in the submarine lagoon!!!
    anyone have any info on it?

  • #2
    Although I am very happy to see something happening to this area of the park after so many years, it's bittersweet as it marks the ushering of the new Pixarland era. Since 1989, Disneyland has received nothing but cartoons outside of Fantasyland. Cases in point: Splash Mountain, Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Tarzan's Treehouse, and Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters. Arguably, Indiana Jones was not cartoon oriented but it wasn't a 100% Disney ride either. With Buzz Lightyear, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Land, Monsters Inc. in 4 years, Disney is flooding the Disneyland Resort with not only cartoons, but cartoons from a company who's on shaky ground with Disney right now.

    Take a look at the classic rides, the rides you *associate* with Disneyland: Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, It's A Small World, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Matterhorn, the Tiki Room, and Thunder Mountain. Do these sound like they have a cartoon tie-in? In fact, only one ride (Matterhorn) has a movie tie-in and it's not even considered an official movie tie-in at that. If I want to ride something based on movies, I'll go to Universal Studios, who does movie rides as good or better than Disney due to the increased intensity Universal is allowed compared to Disney. But when I go to Disneyland, I want escapism that's grounded in reality, but exotic and fantasy-oriented in nature, like the Jungle Cruise or Haunted Mansion.

    I do not enjoy looking at a dead sub lagoon or an empty Circlevision building or PeopleMover track. But I truly don't think they should be filled with Nemo, Buzz and who knows, the PeopleMover will probably get some Cars-themed ride! All these new Pixarland additions might seem great now, we're finally getting new rides, but wait 5, 10, 20 years and then see how "fresh" and "exciting" these rides are. Remember "Star Tours" when it was fresh and exciting? It hasn't been 20 years and it's really showed its age recently. But compare that with the 50 year old Jungle Cruise which still looks as gorgeous as it did the day it opened and you'll see why movie rides that rely on technology are not the way to do things in Disneyland.

    I really hope that they start to see the light and design rides from scratch again. Matt Ouimett is no doubt the best thing that has happened to Disneyland in 10 years, but his heavy reliance on Pixar looks to be his weak spot. If Disney loses its Pixar contract and starts creating massive sequels that make Bambi 2 look like a masterpiece, people 10 years from now will be scratching their heads as to why Disneyland has so many rides based on a company under Warner Brothers or Fox or whoever Pixar winds up with.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Athlonacon
      I really hope that they start to see the light and design rides from scratch again. Matt Ouimett is no doubt the best thing that has happened to Disneyland in 10 years, but his heavy reliance on Pixar looks to be his weak spot.
      Remember: You can start with a theme, and remove it later. Using themes to get the acctions going is a great idea (Subs), and if TL shows us anything, he wants Disneyland to find it's roots, and the themes may be removed. Heck, in 20 years Buzz may become ATIS2.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Athlonacon
        Although I am very happy to see something happening to this area of the park after so many years, it's bittersweet as it marks the ushering of the new Pixarland era. Since 1989, Disneyland has received nothing but cartoons outside of Fantasyland. Cases in point: Splash Mountain, Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Tarzan's Treehouse, and Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters. Arguably, Indiana Jones was not cartoon oriented but it wasn't a 100% Disney ride either. With Buzz Lightyear, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Land, Monsters Inc. in 4 years, Disney is flooding the Disneyland Resort with not only cartoons, but cartoons from a company who's on shaky ground with Disney right now.

        Take a look at the classic rides, the rides you *associate* with Disneyland: Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, It's A Small World, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Matterhorn, the Tiki Room, and Thunder Mountain. Do these sound like they have a cartoon tie-in? In fact, only one ride (Matterhorn) has a movie tie-in and it's not even considered an official movie tie-in at that. If I want to ride something based on movies, I'll go to Universal Studios, who does movie rides as good or better than Disney due to the increased intensity Universal is allowed compared to Disney. But when I go to Disneyland, I want escapism that's grounded in reality, but exotic and fantasy-oriented in nature, like the Jungle Cruise or Haunted Mansion.

        I do not enjoy looking at a dead sub lagoon or an empty Circlevision building or PeopleMover track. But I truly don't think they should be filled with Nemo, Buzz and who knows, the PeopleMover will probably get some Cars-themed ride! All these new Pixarland additions might seem great now, we're finally getting new rides, but wait 5, 10, 20 years and then see how "fresh" and "exciting" these rides are. Remember "Star Tours" when it was fresh and exciting? It hasn't been 20 years and it's really showed its age recently. But compare that with the 50 year old Jungle Cruise which still looks as gorgeous as it did the day it opened and you'll see why movie rides that rely on technology are not the way to do things in Disneyland.

        I really hope that they start to see the light and design rides from scratch again. Matt Ouimett is no doubt the best thing that has happened to Disneyland in 10 years, but his heavy reliance on Pixar looks to be his weak spot. If Disney loses its Pixar contract and starts creating massive sequels that make Bambi 2 look like a masterpiece, people 10 years from now will be scratching their heads as to why Disneyland has so many rides based on a company under Warner Brothers or Fox or whoever Pixar winds up with.


        AMEN Brother! I couldn't agree more. Thanks for telling it like it is.





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        • #5
          SHH the best thing to do right now is to shut up and support this so they bring back the subs. Then complain about the finding nemo layover and eventually get it changed. Thats my plan at least

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ghostbuster626
            SHH the best thing to do right now is to shut up and support this so they bring back the subs. Then complain about the finding nemo layover and eventually get it changed. Thats my plan at least
            Yes! At least they're making an effort to get the subs operating again. Finding Nemo was/is a popular movie, much like the Lion King and other Disney greats, but soon it's popularity will waiver, and when that happens, you can expect a new theme to go over the renovated attraction. Basically, it won't stay that way forever.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Athlonacon
              Although I am very happy to see something happening to this area of the park after so many years, it's bittersweet as it marks the ushering of the new Pixarland era. Since 1989, Disneyland has received nothing but cartoons outside of Fantasyland. Cases in point: Splash Mountain, Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Tarzan's Treehouse, and Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters. Arguably, Indiana Jones was not cartoon oriented but it wasn't a 100% Disney ride either. With Buzz Lightyear, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Land, Monsters Inc. in 4 years, Disney is flooding the Disneyland Resort with not only cartoons, but cartoons from a company who's on shaky ground with Disney right now.

              Take a look at the classic rides, the rides you *associate* with Disneyland: Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, It's A Small World, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Matterhorn, the Tiki Room, and Thunder Mountain. Do these sound like they have a cartoon tie-in? In fact, only one ride (Matterhorn) has a movie tie-in and it's not even considered an official movie tie-in at that. If I want to ride something based on movies, I'll go to Universal Studios, who does movie rides as good or better than Disney due to the increased intensity Universal is allowed compared to Disney. But when I go to Disneyland, I want escapism that's grounded in reality, but exotic and fantasy-oriented in nature, like the Jungle Cruise or Haunted Mansion.

              I do not enjoy looking at a dead sub lagoon or an empty Circlevision building or PeopleMover track. But I truly don't think they should be filled with Nemo, Buzz and who knows, the PeopleMover will probably get some Cars-themed ride! All these new Pixarland additions might seem great now, we're finally getting new rides, but wait 5, 10, 20 years and then see how "fresh" and "exciting" these rides are. Remember "Star Tours" when it was fresh and exciting? It hasn't been 20 years and it's really showed its age recently. But compare that with the 50 year old Jungle Cruise which still looks as gorgeous as it did the day it opened and you'll see why movie rides that rely on technology are not the way to do things in Disneyland.

              I really hope that they start to see the light and design rides from scratch again. Matt Ouimett is no doubt the best thing that has happened to Disneyland in 10 years, but his heavy reliance on Pixar looks to be his weak spot. If Disney loses its Pixar contract and starts creating massive sequels that make Bambi 2 look like a masterpiece, people 10 years from now will be scratching their heads as to why Disneyland has so many rides based on a company under Warner Brothers or Fox or whoever Pixar winds up with.
              I totally agree!! Great post!



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              • #8
                Ever since, Matt took over - things are happening at Disneyland.
                I am glad that the lagoon is not going to empty and attraction less. I do believe that a Little Mermaid Journey Under The Sea overlay for the subs and lagoon is a better fir for Disneyland. Keep Pixar out of Disneyland.

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                • #9
                  I am of the opinion, that nearly anything is better than an empty lagoon. May it be Pixar or Classic Animation, it doesn't matter. The point is an attraction is better than none. It takes more people out of other lines and already crowded walkways and keeps them occupied. I personally don't want either theme- I am still in favor of resurrecting classic live action themes and creating a 20,000 Leagues ride.

                  I have always pondered a good way to go about making a superior sub ride and the only thing that comes to mind, is to build small micro simulators that cause the interior of the submarine to shake and move as if you are diving or being attacks. Add massive bubble jets that cloud the view out the port hole and sound effects in the interior and you produce a more intense ride experiance.

                  Rather than worry our pretty little heads about what we will see outside the subs, I would love to just once hear about how we can improve the subs themselves perhaps by adapting some of the same technology used for Indiana Jones. Just my lame 2 cents again.






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                  • #10
                    Although I am very happy to see something happening to this area of the park after so many years, it's bittersweet as it marks the ushering of the new Pixarland era. Since 1989, Disneyland has received nothing but cartoons outside of Fantasyland. Cases in point: Splash Mountain, Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Tarzan's Treehouse, and Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters. Arguably, Indiana Jones was not cartoon oriented but it wasn't a 100% Disney ride either. With Buzz Lightyear, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Land, Monsters Inc. in 4 years, Disney is flooding the Disneyland Resort with not only cartoons, but cartoons from a company who's on shaky ground with Disney right now.

                    Take a look at the classic rides, the rides you *associate* with Disneyland: Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, It's A Small World, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Matterhorn, the Tiki Room, and Thunder Mountain. Do these sound like they have a cartoon tie-in? In fact, only one ride (Matterhorn) has a movie tie-in and it's not even considered an official movie tie-in at that. If I want to ride something based on movies, I'll go to Universal Studios, who does movie rides as good or better than Disney due to the increased intensity Universal is allowed compared to Disney. But when I go to Disneyland, I want escapism that's grounded in reality, but exotic and fantasy-oriented in nature, like the Jungle Cruise or Haunted Mansion.

                    I do not enjoy looking at a dead sub lagoon or an empty Circlevision building or PeopleMover track. But I truly don't think they should be filled with Nemo, Buzz and who knows, the PeopleMover will probably get some Cars-themed ride! All these new Pixarland additions might seem great now, we're finally getting new rides, but wait 5, 10, 20 years and then see how "fresh" and "exciting" these rides are. Remember "Star Tours" when it was fresh and exciting? It hasn't been 20 years and it's really showed its age recently. But compare that with the 50 year old Jungle Cruise which still looks as gorgeous as it did the day it opened and you'll see why movie rides that rely on technology are not the way to do things in Disneyland.

                    I really hope that they start to see the light and design rides from scratch again. Matt Ouimett is no doubt the best thing that has happened to Disneyland in 10 years, but his heavy reliance on Pixar looks to be his weak spot. If Disney loses its Pixar contract and starts creating massive sequels that make Bambi 2 look like a masterpiece, people 10 years from now will be scratching their heads as to why Disneyland has so many rides based on a company under Warner Brothers or Fox or whoever Pixar winds up with.
                    Amen brother! And for the record, there is an Incredibles themed ride in the works, and Autopia is supposed to get the Cars makeover. *insert vomiting smiley here*

                    Dont get me wrong, I like the Pixar movies, but they ARENT DISNEY MOVIES!!! Bring back the Imagineers!
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                    • #11
                      I just want to decend that winding staircase into one of those subs again. It's been far too long.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Athlonacon
                        I really hope that they start to see the light and design rides from scratch again. Matt Ouimett is no doubt the best thing that has happened to Disneyland in 10 years, but his heavy reliance on Pixar looks to be his weak spot. If Disney loses its Pixar contract and starts creating massive sequels that make Bambi 2 look like a masterpiece, people 10 years from now will be scratching their heads as to why Disneyland has so many rides based on a company under Warner Brothers or Fox or whoever Pixar winds up with.
                        I don't know, I think the jury is still out on this... Is it Matt that is relying on Pixar? I am not certain he is... and if he brings Pixar into the mix is it more to score more funding for projects and renovations from the synergistic corporate culture... The modus oporenti has been Movie goes up, products go on the shelf, characters hit the theme park, video is released, tv program is developed, ride hits the theme park... It may not be Matt's mandate... But it was certainly the "Eisner" way of doing things....
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                        • #13
                          I am really hung up on this idea I had this morning. My wheels are turning so much. I have been so concerned with what was going into the lagoon that a new submarine never even crossed my mind.

                          Below is a crude mockup down in a few minutes to illustrate my idea about an internal ride mechanism like Indiana Jones or Pooh. The motion technology could help simulate events in the ride, like diving or rapid surfacing. The motion simulator could also be used to shake the internal thimble as to create an illusion of create pressure on the hull of the sub. Add sound effects and matching illusions in the water itself and this could really create a new ride experience







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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JoeCool
                            I do believe that a Little Mermaid Journey Under The Sea overlay for the subs and lagoon is a better fir for Disneyland. Keep Pixar out of Disneyland.
                            *shudder*

                            Little Mermaid might be a better fit for Disneyland, if you think Pixar should be kept out of the park (I'm not convinced), but not for Tomorrowland. Not that Nemo will be much more appropriate. I'm still just steamed that nothing can happen 'round DL anymore without a bloody tie-in. But as other posters have noted, any attraction is better than no attraction, and a character overlay can always (in theory) be scrapped someday.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ah schucks
                              I am really hung up on this idea I had this morning. My wheels are turning so much. I have been so concerned with what was going into the lagoon that a new submarine never even crossed my mind.

                              Below is a crude mockup down in a few minutes to illustrate my idea about an internal ride mechanism like Indiana Jones or Pooh. The motion technology could help simulate events in the ride, like diving or rapid surfacing. The motion simulator could also be used to shake the internal thimble as to create an illusion of create pressure on the hull of the sub. Add sound effects and matching illusions in the water itself and this could really create a new ride experience

                              That is exactly what I want them to do. I want a motion simulator on the subs. I think it would really add a great realism to the ride. It would attract quite a bit of attention if the subs actually move now.

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                              • #16
                                great ideas!

                                yeah guys i really agree with the idea of adding a theme to the submarines to get it started, and then doing something unique once the theme gets outdated. and i think that they should really consider putting simulators in the subs. i mean, look at our modern rides. dont the majority of them have some sort of movement simulator? its almost a nessecity to create that effect in modern rides.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by grantmaier687
                                  yeah guys i really agree with the idea of adding a theme to the submarines to get it started, and then doing something unique once the theme gets outdated. and i think that they should really consider putting simulators in the subs. i mean, look at our modern rides. dont the majority of them have some sort of movement simulator? its almost a nessecity to create that effect in modern rides.
                                  Eric Dane, brought up a terrific point about matching the portholes on the outside of the ship to the portholes on the inside. I guess if well designed the outter portholes could be massive and the inner portholes much smaller and thus allow for the illusion that they are one in the same. Even if the motion was limited to the chairs in the sub and vibrating floor panels, anything to improve the ride experiance would be worth investing in...






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                                  • #18
                                    Everybody keeps talking about easily changing the Nemo "overlay" once the subs are re-established and Nemo gets old... Well, this isn't Haunted Mansion Holiday.. I think the Nemo "overlay" will probably be more than a simple "overlay".... They're essentially rebuilding the ride anew for the new version... and I don't think its just going to be some cheap overlay...
                                    Remember that the ride hasn't been runniong for some time now so a lot of the show scenes and whatnot are completely gone now ...they don't even have the original fish molds!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ah schucks
                                      Eric Dane, brought up a terrific point
                                      That's "Eric Dean"--though I kinda like your take on it. Makes me sound like some exotic dog breed.
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                                      • #20
                                        Hey guys, please use one of the existing Sub Lagoon threads like this one.

                                        Thanks.

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