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  • Ghostbuster626
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    Originally posted by innerSpaceman
    Um, Me.

    Star Wars is a movie.

    ATIS was an actual physical environment.


    Without any other comparisons whatsoever, ATIS triumphs on that score alone.


    If you've got a few more hours to spare, I could rhapsodize on the other ways in which Inner Space totally rules Star Tours, but I trust that won't be necessary.
    Star Tours is a ride that happens to use FILM. It is definatly not a movie since your actually part of the ride. HISTA and Captain Eo are more like movies. Star Tours is also world famous. I would say it is just as famous as Pirates of the Caribean. Riding Star Tours is like going on an adventure and it appeals to all age groups. It symbolizes everything that Disneyland stands for. Adventures through inner space was just like getting a lecture on science while sitting in a doom buggy.

    "We'll be on are way to the Endor moon without any further delays...OH NO! were caught in the tractor beam." > "MAGNIFICATION!"

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  • gibbage
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    Originally posted by innerSpaceman
    I am using all restraint to not close this thread which absurdly has Star Tours running ahead of Adventure thru Inner Space.

    As if!


    I call shenanigans!
    Sorry that not everyone is conforming to your idea of what is good and what is bad... Maybe next time?

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  • dsnylndmom
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    Originally posted by Ghostbuster626
    Who can honestly look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that ATIS was a better ride than Star Tours?
    I can.
    And I can also understand that different people like different attractions and not insult other people for their taste.

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  • ModHatter
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    Let's not forget that, before Eisner came along, Disneyland was a themepark, and the theme of Tomorrowland is... Tomorrow. Not "A long time ago." Say what people will about whether this is literal or figurative, it is a movie that, back in 1977, we were already being told happened a long time ago. Hardly a vision of Tomorrow to the audience of the mid-1980s.

    But, I don't think TOO many people are arguing that ATIS is better than Star Tours. The main argument is... why is this an either/or/neither question? Looking at the rides that closed so soon after ATIS, isn't it possible that BOTH rides could have peacefully coexisted, and improved the ride mix of Tomorrowland? Clearly, it COULD have happened that way, so now it's just a matter of debating whether it SHOULD have.

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  • SilentBob66
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    Originally posted by dshimel
    Let's recap ATIS.

    Load into your atom-mobile and go into a giant microscope. The shrinking effect was really pretty lame.. The mini model atomm-mobiles were neat from the queue, but on the ride you just turned to the left and went into the dark.

    Then you wehtn through a section with styrofoam snow flakes.... Bigger and bigger styrofoam snow flakes...

    Then dark, then water molecules. Three fuzzy balls stuck together. then dark, then a hydrogen atom with a protron and an electron zipping around.

    Then... oh no... the ice is melting.... we have to make you big again... Big eyeball looking at you.... done.



    Fond memories, but truely lame by today's standards.
    Which is why an updated version of the attraction, redesigned and/or rescripted, would be in order. It could work, too. Sure, thanks to an overstimulated generation with ADHD weaned on MTV and reinforced by a culture that encourages instant gratification, the dynamics of such an attraction would have to be much stronger than in 1967, but the basic concept - a journey into the microscopic and sub-atomic world - is still quite valid and rich with potential dramatic opportunities.

    It's either that or shove the kids into a big black box and zap 'em with cattle prods for 5 minutes. Think they'd need Fastpass for that one?

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  • innerSpaceman
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    Um, Me.

    Star Wars is a movie.

    ATIS was an actual physical environment.


    Without any other comparisons whatsoever, ATIS triumphs on that score alone.


    If you've got a few more hours to spare, I could rhapsodize on the other ways in which Inner Space totally rules Star Tours, but I trust that won't be necessary.

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  • Ghostbuster626
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    Who can honestly look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that ATIS was a better ride than Star Tours?

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  • ModHatter
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    Originally posted by innerSpaceman
    I am using all restraint to not close this thread which absurdly has Star Tours running ahead of Adventure thru Inner Space.

    As if!

    I call shenanigans!
    Well, let's face it, the choices were skewed. Maybe we should open a new poll with better choices.

    MEanwhile, regarding the ticket book issue... CoP, as I recall, was also a free attraction, so that's not a reflection of quality. If you make people pay to see a commercial (i.e. "sponsored attraction") you're going to have smaller people coming in to see the commercial.

    Here's a tidbit from themightymicroscope.com:
    ...the attraction was free when guests needed to buy A through E tickets to ride other attractions. Children would ride unsupervised over and over. To solve this problem, Disneyland began including a special admission coupon in each Child and Junior ticket book. This allowed children to ride only once. Another option was for children to use a C coupon or ride supervised by an adult.

    Charging a c ticket for a "free" ride is pretty ambitious, but once Monsanto pulled out in 1977, it would have been more ambitious to raise a free/C ticket to a D or E in terms of guest perception, without some major new effects.

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  • innerSpaceman
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    I am using all restraint to not close this thread which absurdly has Star Tours running ahead of Adventure thru Inner Space.

    As if!


    I call shenanigans!

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  • Tom Chaney
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    Just an aside regarding those who refer to ATIS as a "C-ticket" or "E-ticket" or whatever. I was just leafing through a Disneyland Vacations booklet from 1971. At least during that year, when ATIS was sponsored by Monstanto and adult general admission to the park was $3.50...ATIS was a FREE attraction. Also FREE were GE's CoP and The Bell System's "America The Beautiful."

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  • ModHatter
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    Originally posted by gibbage
    The fact remains, ATIS was not bringing in any people. Maybe a few diehard loyalist's such as the few people who visit these forums, but they only represent 1/2 of 1% of the market. StarTours was BIG and it did bring in the crowds. I remember ATIS as a kid, and I remember how crowded it was NOT. There was never a line, and empty cars was common. Just like the People mover. It lost the crowds attention, and thats the only reason for a rides existance. Without riders, its just a waist of electricity and real-estate that could be used for something better.
    Maybe you were going during the off-season? I always remember the queue being full when I went, which was a blessing, because it meant more time to stare in awe at the Microscope.

    I think Tomorrowland in general suffered from having so many show-based attractions that have less repeatability than rides. CircleVisison, America Sings (which closed three years after ATIS), Mission to Mars, and Magic Journeys/Space Stage (which closed just four months after ATIS)... Sounds like some other attractions were having major attendance issues too. Some of those rides would have been a better home for Star Tours, bringing more guests into Tomorrowland and this providing more traffic passing back and forth past the ATIS entrance and filling any empty cars it may or may not have had.

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  • gibbage
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    The fact remains, ATIS was not bringing in any people. Maybe a few diehard loyalist's such as the few people who visit these forums, but they only represent 1/2 of 1% of the market. StarTours was BIG and it did bring in the crowds. I remember ATIS as a kid, and I remember how crowded it was NOT. There was never a line, and empty cars was common. Just like the People mover. It lost the crowds attention, and thats the only reason for a rides existance. Without riders, its just a waist of electricity and real-estate that could be used for something better.
    Last edited by gibbage; 04-12-2005, 01:06 PM.

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  • ModHatter
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    Originally posted by merlinjones
    Even the most outdated effects in Adventure Through Inner Space were far superior to what is currently being offered in Winnie-the-Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, Superstar Limo, Journey Into Your Imagination and other recent Imagineering dark ride efforts.

    In fact, compared to that new stuff, the C-Ticket ATIS just as it was when closed, would be closer to an E-Ticket addition today (if someone actually considers Pooh and Buzz "D-Ticket" additions, which has been the spin)! And with updated effects, well, ATIS would be "Lightyear's above the rest!"
    So true... It's funny, the difference between ATIS and the other rides above is its story. It isn't one of those "sit back and mindlessly look at pretty stuff" rides, it's an actual plot. It may have needed some cosmetic updates, but the bones beneath were perfect.

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  • merlinjones
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    Even the most outdated effects in Adventure Through Inner Space were far superior to what is currently being offered in Winnie-the-Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, Superstar Limo, Journey Into Your Imagination and other recent Imagineering dark ride efforts.

    In fact, compared to that new stuff, the C-Ticket ATIS just as it was when closed, would be closer to an E-Ticket addition today (if someone actually considers Pooh and Buzz "D-Ticket" additions, which has been the spin)! And with updated effects, well, ATIS would be "Lightyear's above the rest!"

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  • Tom Chaney
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    Originally posted by lilbigguy
    I tend to be one of those people who is saddend by the demand of ultra-stimulation 100% of the time.
    Thrilling rides are fun, of course. One of the major differences between Disneyland and other theme parks, though, is the fact that you can spend the day at Disneyland...never ride a ride...never spend a dime...and still have a satisfying experience.

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  • lilbigguy
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    Originally posted by dshimel
    Let's recap ATIS.

    Load into your atom-mobile and go into a giant microscope. The shrinking effect was really pretty lame.. The mini model atomm-mobiles were neat from the queue, but on the ride you just turned to the left and went into the dark.

    Then you wehtn through a section with styrofoam snow flakes.... Bigger and bigger styrofoam snow flakes...

    Then dark, then water molecules. Three fuzzy balls stuck together. then dark, then a hydrogen atom with a protron and an electron zipping around.

    Then... oh no... the ice is melting.... we have to make you big again... Big eyeball looking at you.... done.



    Fond memories, but truely lame by today's standards.
    I think a lot of people are missing the point--ATIS was one of those attractions that was visually stimulating and played on a person's sence of wonder. Yes, the technology of those visualzations is outdated by today's standards, but for people experiancing it for the first time, it IS an E-ticket. Getting to ride a pack mule for someone who otherwise has no other exposure to a pack mule would still be an E-ticket experiance. I tend to be one of those people who is saddend by the demand of ultra-stimulation 100% of the time.

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  • ModHatter
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    Originally posted by Giant Panda
    Imagine ST with multiple films, some of which would be "minor variations" of one another. Perhaps guest interraction could be factored in ..... Each ride could be different, the same way Indy is slightly different from ride to ride.

    It's sill possible, if Iger can mend fences with Lucas .......
    That is something I've been thinking about... Anyone remember Horizons? I hope so, because this'll make more sense faster... Imagine that, on your armrest, there's a row of buttons, and the cabin gets to vote on which "destination" you go to.

    For that matter... if you keep the "blast shield " or whatever that screen is up before the voting, maybe your vote coud also determine which captain you get. Same robot, of course, but each pilot will have a different personality and script.

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  • Giant Panda
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    Imagine ST with multiple films, some of which would be "minor variations" of one another. Perhaps guest interraction could be factored in ..... Each ride could be different, the same way Indy is slightly different from ride to ride.

    It's sill possible, if Iger can mend fences with Lucas .......

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  • dshimel
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    Let's recap ATIS.

    Load into your atom-mobile and go into a giant microscope. The shrinking effect was really pretty lame.. The mini model atomm-mobiles were neat from the queue, but on the ride you just turned to the left and went into the dark.

    Then you wehtn through a section with styrofoam snow flakes.... Bigger and bigger styrofoam snow flakes...

    Then dark, then water molecules. Three fuzzy balls stuck together. then dark, then a hydrogen atom with a protron and an electron zipping around.

    Then... oh no... the ice is melting.... we have to make you big again... Big eyeball looking at you.... done.



    Fond memories, but truely lame by today's standards.

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  • niki0619
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    Both are really good attractions. I'd say that both are on the same level of enjoyment, so it's hard to choose one over the other. Updates to either ride would totally work for TL. I do like the idea of ATIS replacing HISTA. Then we could have best of both worlds!

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