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  • #61
    Originally posted by imagineer boy
    Does anyone remember the article that Al Lutz wrote a long time ago back when he was still at mouse planet when he did an article about changing DCA into a Disney's America? And yes, it can be done! He brings up some interesting ideas in that one. I'll post a link in a couple of minuites.
    youknow I can honestly say I don't see Disney's America being anymore interesting to visit then DCA is (well maybe more historic rides but it sounds bland to me)
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    • #62
      Originally posted by imagineer boy
      Like I said before, I would love to see it revamped into a Disney's America like Al suggested when he worked for Mouse Planet. And yes, it can be done! Think of the possibilities! Here's the link to the article:

      http://www./dca/america.htm
      Two words are echoing in my head... "Big Mistake."

      Do we all remember why Disney's America failed in the first place? If you think people have an unnatural bias against the California theme, look up some artilces about THAT badboy.

      Yes, America is arguably more flag-wavin' patriotic these days -- but that could actually work against Disney, not for it. They could be even more sensitive to potential historical inaccuracies perpetrated by the same company that has taken PC to new heights. Or, they could feel that exploiting our new-found patriotism is crass.

      I think they are better off reinterpreting the California theme to reflect Disneyland's original lands: Frontierland/California Wilderness, Missions, Ranchos; Adventureland/Gold Rush, Barbary Coast; Fantasyland/HPB, Hollywoodland, Dream Factory; Tomorrowland/Silicon Valley, Oceanography, CalTech. It doesn't have to be done all at once, and the park could actually stay open almost the entire time. It just requires some long-term planning. Before building a new attraction to be a stop-gap, build a strong idea of where the park should be going... Disneyland's NOS and New Tomorrowland set a great tone for the park, transforming from themepark to a true landmark. And it enabled them to redo Fantasyland and add to the magic for years and years. DCA just needs a new land, probably by spending a load of cash to secure the southeast corner of the block and hitting a home run with at least one E and two D tickets, and building a few "dead ends" which will eventually be thruways when other parts of the park are redone and connected up.
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      • #63
        I disagree that the park's theme can be changed at this point. Granted, it is a good idea, but that would likely be a PR nightmare, not to mention the fact that Disney would be admitting their failure (a rare occurance). We have a Califonria theme, so lets try to make the best of it. If imagineers can come up with attractions for EPCOT's World Showcase pavilions (how many possible rides come to mind with a Norweigian theme?), then the same can be done with California. In California, we have the motion picture industry, the aerospace industry, the wine industry, silicon valley, expansive national parks... that's really not too stifling when you put it in perspective.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by mouseketeer_2
          I disagree that the park's theme can be changed at this point. Granted, it is a good idea, but that would likely be a PR nightmare, not to mention the fact that Disney would be admitting their failure (a rare occurance). We have a Califonria theme, so lets try to make the best of it. If imagineers can come up with attractions for EPCOT's World Showcase pavilions (how many possible rides come to mind with a Norweigian theme?), then the same can be done with California. In California, we have the motion picture industry, the aerospace industry, the wine industry, silicon valley, expansive national parks... that's really not too stifling when you put it in perspective.

          I agree that you can't change the name or completly drop California

          my feelings are that we need to be looking at this in how can we put Disney In California and how can we create imaginative experience's that involve California

          the rides should also match the lands and in turn the lands should match the theme

          rides that arn't built around the California theme but match it are going to be the ones that work best I think
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Jspider
            I agree that you can't change the name or completly drop California

            my feelings are that we need to be looking at this in how can we put Disney In California and how can we create imaginative experience's that involve California

            the rides should also match the lands and in turn the lands should match the theme

            rides that arn't built around the California theme but match it are going to be the ones that work best I think
            I agree completely.

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            • #66
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Gemini Cricket
                One exciting change would be to have the whole Paradise Pier area taken out and replaced with something truly fun. I have been to DCA a ton of times and have walked through that area once.
                Are you mad? The Paradise Pier area has 2 of the only good attractions in the park! The California Screamin' and Maliboomer are huge hits, and Guest Relations would be swamped by Guests freaking out about the loss of one (Screamin') of the...4 good attractions at DCA.
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                • #68
                  Well, they could still build mountains around Screamin'. That would create a sort of berm for that side of the park. Maliboomer could be moved anywhere or sold. Every themepark in the country has one (most even taller). Then they could scrape the rest of that section of the park clean and start again. Perhaps a whole San Francisco section, or a mini world showcase.
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                  • #69
                    Screamin' is decent. MaliBoomer is certainly disposable, especially since ToT takes the same concept and actually makes it interesting.

                    Screamin' would be more salvageable if there were better paths to it, and/or better attractions near it. But it's not good enough to justify riding standby, and there is nothing nearby worth doing to justify riding fastpass.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Jfoster760
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                      huh?
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Tinker Bell
                        Are you mad? The Paradise Pier area has 2 of the only good attractions in the park! The California Screamin' and Maliboomer are huge hits, and Guest Relations would be swamped by Guests freaking out about the loss of one (Screamin') of the...4 good attractions at DCA.
                        Yes, I'm quite mad. We're all a little mad around here...

                        California Screamin' is great, but it can be rethemed and redone. For example, imagine a shell around the ride track itself. You are now riding it and it's an indoor experience (which I'm sure the city of Anaheim would love because the hollering from guests riding the ride is loud at night). The inside of that enclosure could be themed to some sort of experience that takes you out of the carnival atmosphere and into something else. Let's say it's an Aladdin ride now. The tracks are fitted with cars that resemble carpets (with shoulder restraints, mind you ) and now the ride is 'Aladdin's Flight' where you go through the night sky of Agrabah. Anything's possible.

                        As for Maliboomer, we have that ride already in DCA. It's themed and called the Tower of Terror. The Maliboomer is just your ordinary carnival ride.

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                        • #72
                          IN fact, if the Paradise Pier area in the corner where all the carnival games are was rethemed to be Agrabah, they could keep some of the carnival games (rethemed) to be the Agrabah Marketplace.
                          The Wharf Area could be underwater themed: Little Mermaid, Nemo etc.
                          The Hollywood Area could be an urban area that houses 'Monsters Inc' attractions and 'Incredibles' attractions.
                          Condor Flats could be turned into a foresty area for 'Brother Bear', 'Pocahontas' and all other forest dwelling Disney characters.
                          There's so much that could be done at that park to make it better. And if I were Matt Ouimet or Eisner, I'd close the whole thing down after the 50th and re-do it. All of it.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Gemini Cricket
                            IN fact, if the Paradise Pier area in the corner where all the carnival games are was rethemed to be Agrabah, they could keep some of the carnival games (rethemed) to be the Agrabah Marketplace.
                            Agrabah, California???

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                            • #74
                              I must agree that Disney is realistically stuck with the California theme at this point, and I think that's okay. As many of you have already pointed out, California has a long and rich history to draw upon and many great attractions could still come to this park within its current theme.

                              I won't go on and on too long with my own ideas, since so many of them have already been mentioned (including focusing on the historical aspect). But here are a few tidbits I think would add immensely to this failing park:

                              -- Get rid of those God-awful songs playing in the entrance area. The songs, though good ones, are annoying when blasted over loud speakers the way they are. The loop is also far too short. Within a few hours of walking back and forth, it is common to hear the same song 2, 3 or more times in one day.

                              Instead, pump in instrumental versions of those same California themed songs - you know, whimsical, sprightly and fun orchestrations, along the sound of the music on Main Street or in Toontown. This alone would do wonders to the overall feel of Sunshine Plaza. And what with all that tacky neon along "Greetings" and "Engin-Ears"?

                              -- Block out all of LA! It is absolutely ridiculous that one can see so many distracting views of Anaheim when inside this park. In one spot, when heading from Sunshine Plaza towards the Pier, the Convention Center across the street actaully looks like it's part of the park! Unacceptable in my book. The Coast Hotel is in plain view from the Napa Valley area and don't even get me started on the Paradise Pier area. WALL THIS PARK IN WITH TREES! It should envelope you completely.

                              --Retire "Golden Dreams" and sell it on DVD. Rip out that theater, Route 66 and most of all, that ghastly pink Dino. Right there you have enough land for a well-themed ride.

                              -- Enclose Mul. Maddness so that the cars are darting in and out of a building, with fun tunnels and distractions along the way.

                              -- So many of you seem to hate the Paradise Pier area but honestly I think it is one of the few areas in the park that work (to an extent). The idea is great but the whole "seaside" feel needs to be intensified. First of all, the wave machine should ALWAYS be on during park opearting hours. It makes the difference between an oceanside and a lake. Beyond that, where are the towering palm trees and the carefully hidden sound of seagulls "cawing" in the distance. Where is the turn-of-the-century feel it should have been given originally? Ditch the silly games and even the shops and add some Disney over there.

                              Also, Disney should eliminate all references in their media that advertises Paradise Pier as a place with "cool beaches" and "at the eater's edge." Face it Disney, there are no beaches here!

                              -- I suggest expanding and re-configuring the Redwood Creek Challenge Trail to include either a Brother Bear dark ride or a Bambi ride. (Bambi, by the way, is a grossly under-used character at DCA because he fits into the nature theme so well. He appears on the shower-curtains at the GC Hotel and that's about it to my knowledge.)

                              -- Finally, for today at least, the factory tours in the Pacific Wharf area are the biggest disgrace this park has. I would call these even worse than Superstar Limo, since that was a moving ride at least. Close these embarrassments as soon as possible and put a Bay Area themed ride in there.

                              Personally, I really enjoy DCA whenever I go, even in its current state. It can be fixed, for sure. But basically every detail of every area would have to be addressed and given the main thing this park lacks: CHARM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by mouseketeer_2
                                Agrabah, California???
                                No. The California theme goes out the door for me in the imaginary theme park that resides in my mind...

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                                • #76
                                  I agree with most of Lance's points -- esp. the Tortilla Factory and Bread "attractions". I don't mind them being there, but let's not put them on the map and count them towards the total number of attractions, okay?

                                  Golden Dreams has got to go... plenty of room there to do something more with the interesting (because it doesn't exist at DL) Redwood/Grizzly theme.

                                  Now, I'm a big DL fan and having "Walt's Original" right next door hasn't helped DCA. On my most recent visit, we also took the kids to Knotts and let me tell you if you think DCA is sad you've got another thing coming. That's a mess of a park, I'll tell you...

                                  I like DCA. I'd like it better if they made it better of course but overall I do find parts of it quite charming.
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                                  • #77
                                    It's absurd that a lot of you are saying DCA change it's theme. I personally don't mind the theme (sure, its not the best, but it can work).. it just needs some money and more effort pumped into it to make it all work properly.

                                    I enjoy the idea of expanding the Hollywood Pictures Backlot into a larger Los Angeles area.
                                    HPB is my favorite section of the park- it's beautifully themed- but it just needs more rides.
                                    I really dislike the idea of adding in Rock N Rollercoaster or Mickeys Phillaharmagic anywhere in the park just because what DCA needs are brand new rides, not copied rides from WDW.

                                    Paradise Peir is really a mess. I love the lights of it at night and the theming is great.. its just not origninal. Disney could easily make it orignal though with some new rides that aren't as boring as the swings you can find at the county fair.

                                    I think the ocean in front of Paradise Peir needs a large pyrotechnic/water show for the evening. Something that would continually draw crowds like Fantasmic! does but nothing very similar as Fantasmic... I like the surfer idea that someone mentioned a while back on this thread, but how safe could that be?? What if the performers got hurt? "Mommy, was that man supposed to drown after falling off his surfboard?" "Oh, Timmy, that man didn't drown! He's only.. uh... pretending.." "Then why are they rescuing him?"
                                    I don't think a show with live surfers or performers on the water like that would be that safe....


                                    Really, there are so many great ideas out there for DCA... but who knows what Disney will do.

                                    A monorail station would be a great idea for DCA. they could possibly make it open into a redesigned Millionaire building designed like an airport or train station and people could enter/exit through there.. they could even include a ticket booth in there offering park visitors to convert their 1-Day 1-Park tickets into Parkhoppers. The only problem would be the theme- certainly not matching Hollywood- but then again Monsters Inc doesnt fit much either, huh?

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by MasterGracey
                                      A monorail station would be a great idea for DCA. they could possibly make it open into a redesigned Millionaire building designed like an airport or train station and people could enter/exit through there.. they could even include a ticket booth in there offering park visitors to convert their 1-Day 1-Park tickets into Parkhoppers. The only problem would be the theme- certainly not matching Hollywood- but then again Monsters Inc doesnt fit much either, huh?
                                      if you've read my LA expansion plans (linked to on the first page of this thread) then you'll know that I recommended building a Monerail station themed to the LAX out there that connects to both a new resort hotel and serves as an entry into the park (the new hotel would be were the Candycane Inn is now)

                                      yes that'd require moving the monerail track over but this's also part of my consideration for the eventual establishment of a third gate (the monerail track would extend all the way out and to the third gate land)
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                                      • #79
                                        Two quick ideas:

                                        -Disney should explore the California history route. California's pre-colonial and mission era roots would not only give the park some historical and educational legitimacy, but also would provide for plenty of immersive themed environments. Contact Knott's down the street for ideas on using local history within your park.

                                        -Please use that rediculously huge lake for something. I mean come on, it's giant and isn't doing anything. Use the water for something, whatever, just don't make me walk all the way around it when it's not serving any other purpose than reflecting at night.

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                                        • #80
                                          i think that DCA should do some type of nite water show with that big lake there in the center of the park.

                                          i also think that they should do some type of Halloween Haunt. it would so boost up the ticket sales and it would bring more people to the park. i think it would be a cool idea if they would do something like that. but they would have to lower the price for the Halloween Haunt cuz i dont think people will pay $53 for it.
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