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  • #81
    I like that Halloween Haunt idea, though it might be tough to compete with Knott's so near by and so successful at it. Plus, will Disney commit to being scary? Worth considering though.

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    • #82
      i think disney can do anything they set their minds too. knott's needs somebody to compete with theirs and having it at dca will be good. it will be good for disney to do something like this. and it would be great for dca to get some more attention. they just need to do something.
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      • #83
        Originally posted by Gemini Cricket
        No. The California theme goes out the door for me in the imaginary theme park that resides in my mind...
        I agree Gemini, But I like the "America" Theme but what about the colonial East brought to the west?
        What about the park that failed back east? Why not recreate that here?
        I can go to Santa Cruz anytime for boardwalk rides.
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        • #84
          CA History Ride Plan/"Golden Moments"

          I'm definitely in the brainstorming stages of a CA history ride. So far I've come up a title (Golden Moments), various sets, type of car, and the startings of a script. However, the way it's looking right now, it looks like we could a 2+ story building in the shape of CA! (What can I say, I think big). To give you some idea of where my insanity is taking me, think of Haunted Mansion meets Spaceship Earth (This elevator takes you UP to the cars). Give me a little more time and I can give you ALLL the details.

          I just know that should I design it to the finer detail I'm going to seek out Matt myself and submit it. lol

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          • #85
            I approve of the Americaland philosophy, its a know fact across the web that CA has lost favor in many categories.

            Hopefully it won't be after terrorists nuke NYC and Washington DC that somebody figures out that we need more of our heritage of our wonderful free country.
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            • #86
              As said by someone earlier: DCa is a work in progress. Get some new E and D-ticket attractions and it will start drawing larger crowds.
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              • #87
                Originally posted by colaboy29
                As said by someone earlier: DCa is a work in progress. Get some new E and D-ticket attractions and it will start drawing larger crowds.
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                • #88
                  Originally posted by MasterGracey
                  I think the ocean in front of Paradise Peir needs a large pyrotechnic/water show for the evening. Something that would continually draw crowds like Fantasmic! does but nothing very similar as Fantasmic... I like the surfer idea that someone mentioned a while back on this thread, but how safe could that be?? What if the performers got hurt? "Mommy, was that man supposed to drown after falling off his surfboard?" "Oh, Timmy, that man didn't drown! He's only.. uh... pretending.." "Then why are they rescuing him?"
                  I don't think a show with live surfers or performers on the water like that would be that safe....
                  I would actually be much safer than surfing in the ocean. A wave pool is a much more controlled enviroment and if you hire ACTUALLY surfers who do this everyday your accident levels would drop significantly. There are often way too many factors that can get us surfers into trouble if we are not vigilant and are often on constant alert. We have to keep in careful mind about where the rip currents are, sumurged rocks, kelp strands that we could get tangled in, rogue huge waves that sometimes roll in between sets and catch us off gaurd, and especially where your fellow surfers are so you don't get clocked upside the head with a fast moving weapon made of fiberglass and foam. That is why there is a surfer's etitique that we follow so no one gets hurt. Oh yeah, I forgot the fact that living up here in Santa Cruz, we actually become part of the food chain when we enter the water and have to keep watch on how the local wildlife are acting. If the are acting spooked and seem to hurry out of specific areas of the water...then there is a pretty good bet that there is some kind of predator in the vicinity.
                  If DCA turned the lake into a wave pool and got real surfers and not people just taught to surf. Accidents will be very little.
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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by Orcatime
                    I'm definitely in the brainstorming stages of a CA history ride. So far I've come up a title (Golden Moments), various sets, type of car, and the startings of a script. However, the way it's looking right now, it looks like we could a 2+ story building in the shape of CA! (What can I say, I think big). To give you some idea of where my insanity is taking me, think of Haunted Mansion meets Spaceship Earth (This elevator takes you UP to the cars). Give me a little more time and I can give you ALLL the details.

                    I just know that should I design it to the finer detail I'm going to seek out Matt myself and submit it. lol

                    Thanks for the inspiration, Jspider.
                    hey no prob

                    let me see how it turns out though

                    oh and while your there pitch some of my ideas to Matt too I seriously wish I could have an AP and visit Disneyland more then I do o_o
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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by Gemini Cricket
                      What do you think?
                      Do you have any ideas on how it could be fixed?

                      Or is it a lost cause and the focus should be on the 3rd park?
                      Fix what? Why do so many of you think that California Adventure is such a failure.

                      The problem is you compare it to Disneyland a park that has been built out over the past 50 years. How many of you have attended a brand-new theme park and if so did the park feel finished? I hope not since that would be a bad sign of the future success.

                      Theme parks need to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the visitors coming back. Disney has an advantage over most parks that they don't have to reinvent as often, but they still have to go through the motions just over a longer period of time.

                      The only problem with DCA in the beginning has been a little over capacity on food and retail locations, but in time they'll be needed. DCA opened with more attractions than most of the recently built Orlando Disney Parks. Expections for DCA for too many of you were unrealistic and completely out of whack. The complaints about carnival rides were unjustified since Disneyland is full of just that... themed carnival rides.

                      Who here knows was the TOP 10 Best Attended Parks in North America was last year. Funny, how a park so often criticized is also one of the most succesful in North America. It beats out well loved parks like Busch Gardens, SeaWorld and Cedar Point.

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                      • #91
                        Originally posted by Scribby
                        Two quick ideas:

                        -Please use that rediculously huge lake for something. I mean come on, it's giant and isn't doing anything. Use the water for something, whatever, just don't make me walk all the way around it when it's not serving any other purpose than reflecting at night.
                        Yes, I agree rip out the Rivers of America that rediculously huge lake for something. I mean come on, it's giant and it isn't doing anything. Use the water for something like a water roller coaster, pave some concrete so I don't have to walk all the way around and then ride a dumb boat to get to the island. Heck, build a couple of shops as well and maybe but in a full-scale McDonald's as well. I'm tired of having to walk to DCA to get a burger with my fries from Conestoga Wagon.

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                        • #92
                          Originally posted by Leech
                          Yes, I agree rip out the Rivers of America that rediculously huge lake for something. I mean come on, it's giant and it isn't doing anything. Use the water for something like a water roller coaster, pave some concrete so I don't have to walk all the way around and then ride a dumb boat to get to the island. Heck, build a couple of shops as well and maybe but in a full-scale McDonald's as well. I'm tired of having to walk to DCA to get a burger with my fries from Conestoga Wagon.
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                          • #93
                            I don't think he meant they should rip it out, Leech. Rather, they should use it for something, like the Rivers used to have a bunch of attractions and while there's not as many (RIP Keel Boats), there's still several things to do over there.

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                            • #94
                              There are some great ideas all over the place in this thread! Fun stuff!

                              Personally, I enjoy DCA and think there is hope for it. What I've been struck by is a lack of rides that both parents and children can enjoy together. It seems like it is one extreme or the other. We've got the Jumping Jellyfish or Tower of Terror, which have some attendance problems. Meanwhile, Soaring Over California never has a line under an hour.

                              I think that perhaps one of the things that makes DL so successful is its emphasis on rides that appeal to everyone. Warm memories are built with older family members in the minds of little ones riding "Pirates" and "The Haunted Mansion", and as the years pass and that child begins to understand nostalgia, where does the child go? Back to Disneyland where the memories began. I mean, when you break it down, The Tiki Room is a bunch of plastic birds moving to a record. But to sit there in the dark with the memory of sitting there twenty years before with your mom and dad, singing loudly with all of the other guests... THAT is what makes people come back.

                              Contrast it with Six Flags, I know very few people who wildly crave going back to Six Flags. I don't know a single soul who goes there as often as I am at DL. My own theory is because the memories built there tend to be built during the teen years and who wants to remember those?

                              Rather than going for extreme rides or baby rides, I think a few brilliantly imaginative rides would serve the park better. I would love the Imagineers to answer the question, "What is the coolest thing a person can do in California?" and then build rides based around capturing that experience or emotion. I can go anywhere and experience "fast" or "drop", but to be transported to a different place and have my mouth hang open in wonder? THAT is only at Disney.

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                              • #95
                                I agree with Mr D on the berm. One of the biggest problems with DCA is that powerlines, hotels and the convention center are very visible and it reinforces that you are in the middle of Anaheim. This is the opposite of the feeling you get in most of DL where if someone dropped you into the park blindfolded you wouldn't have a clue as to where you actually were and, more importantly, wouldn't care...

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                                • #96
                                  there is NOTHING a few bulldozers, a paver and a striping rig can't fix.
                                  bring back the Disneyland parkinglot.

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                                  • #97
                                    Believe it or not, an insider told me a while back that surfers were being considered for Paradise Bay, but that even though Disney liked the idea, they would NEVER take liability risk. True or not, I'm not sure, but I doubt that the liability-minded suits in TDA are ever going to go for that idea.

                                    By the way, I was very surprised when I found out the Paradise Walk for Paradise Pier Hotel guests had been shut down for good. At first I was angry because that "private" walkway linked the hotel to the pier, keeping the theme for hotel customers in tact. But as I thought more about it, I wondered if this closure meant that Disney means to expand this area with a little more land.

                                    So far I've heard very little about this on the web.

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                                    • #98
                                      Well, now that we have Mickey & Friends, the parking lot idea is just tired.

                                      However, looking at that photo, I was forced to wonder... couldn't DCA expand beyond its current borders north of HPB, and maybe even tear down LaBrea Bakery to expand Condor Flats? Admittedly, both areas are just slivers, but in the case of HPB, there are two buildings (SHOULD be three) that need razing, and a sliver may be all it takes to put in a fun Fantasyland-style dark ride that expands on the Condor Flats area (seeing as how a "land" should consist of more than just one ride and an eatery.)
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                                      • #99
                                        Originally posted by HitchhikingGhost
                                        This picture blows me away. I can't believe they paid the exhorborant amounts of money needed to have those electrical towers moved around and then spent so little on the park they planted there.

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                                        • Originally posted by MickeyMania
                                          This picture blows me away. I can't believe they paid the exhorborant amounts of money needed to have those electrical towers moved around and then spent so little on the park they planted there.
                                          Is it true that the parking lot was more profitable for Disney than DCA or is that some internet urban legend?

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