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  • New Land For Subs, Matterhorn, MBC area?

    Originally posted this in another thread, but thought the subject deserved a new thread of its own:

    Has anyone else heard the rumor floating about the the new Subs may not even be in Tomorrowland at all? No, they're not going to move the lagoon, but the loose talk I heard was that there is a concept out there for combining the Matterhorn (which never really fit in Fantasyland or Tomorrowland), the Subs and something new in the old Moterboat Cruise area into an entire new land with an exploration or discovery theme. That would certainly answer the Nemo/future problem and would make more sense for the Matterhorn as well. I don't know how reliable this info is but it does seem plausible.
    The only problem I can see is that the Sub loading area is technically in Tomorrowland.
    Well, those imagineers can be pretty clever folks when the purse strings are untied and I'm sure they could find a way around that. In fact, the queue could begin over near the base of the Matterhorn and snake its way around the lagoon to end up at the current loading area, effectively moving the ride "entrance" to the other side.
    Have a look at some of the satelite images out there and you'll see that there is plenty of room for this new land. Its about twice the size of Critter Country.

    Your thoughts?
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    I think this would be cool, it's like a jules verne discovery land type thing. The area around the sub lagoon/motor boat cruise/east side of the matterhorn has always had no theme at all. It's just kind of a path that's "there". A discovery theme would be cool, and it would make a good transition from Tomorrowland to a Discovery land, then to a Fantasyland. (and vise versa) Maybe it could have a Jules Verne theme?

    I've also heard a rumor about a Discover Bay. It would be placed around the rivers of america, near Thunder Mountain ranch. But that never happend... Maybe they are planning on using the same concept of Discover Bay and moving it over to The sub Lagoon area? Who knows.

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    • #3
      Here is the information about "Discovery Bay"
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      • #4
        Where is the information to Discovery bay? :confused:

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        • #5
          It should be noted that the Matterhorn was originally in Tomorrowland when it first opened in 1959. It was later "moved" to Fantasyland in the '60s. IMOP it has never fit in well in either place and would make an ideal E-ticket "anchor" for a new Exploration themed area. Yes, it is an old ride, but is there anyone who doesn't love it?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ni_teach
            Here is the information about "Discovery Bay"

            http://www.ultimateorlando.com/archive/discoverybay/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ni_teach
              Yup. I've seen this stuff before. Really cool. But I think they have something different in mind here. Think Stormchasers at TDS.
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              • #8
                Wow! Thanks for that link! WHY Didn't they ever build it?? Why Why Why? Now they are talking about putting a Woodie and friends thing in the exact location! I hope they make the right choice.


                But anyways, that's way off subject. Could this same theme of Discovery Bay be built around the sub lagoon? Autopia and the monorail tracks, and the peoplemover tracks are all there... So that might 'ruin' it. Maybe they could use the same name "Discovery Lagoon". It would work well with the sub Lagoon. They could even build a bunch of rides they talked about in that link.

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                • #9
                  Autopia would be a good fit there too. More-so than tomorrowland, unless they dump Chevron and move to electric (or another alternative fuel) vehicles.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bacon
                    Autopia would be a good fit there too. More-so than tomorrowland, unless they dump Chevron and move to electric (or another alternative fuel) vehicles.
                    Hey, now ther's a good idea. Make autopia a part of this! I just hope that if they ever do this, they will put up a big sign that has the name of the land in all 3 of the entrance areas... This way people will be able to tell the difference between Tommorowland and "Discovery Lagoon, or what ever they decide to call it".

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                    • #11
                      While I think this is a good idea, I have to argue with the poster who said the Matterhorn never fit in FL. With its 1983 makeover, the old world European theme of the Matterhorn makes it fit just fine.
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                      • #12
                        Now, considering that Discovery Bay was distinctly Barbary Coast, isn't this land better suited to an expansion over at California Adventure? I've always thought that the current SF approach is demolish-able, and that this would be a great land for the Timon lot expansion, setting a new tone for the whole park.

                        As for the Discoveryland approach... I think it's an overly-European approach that wouldn't appeal to the huge portion of America that renamed their food Freedom Fries. Besides, it seems too much like a repeat of the Main St. theming.

                        I think a better way to update the MBC/Autopia/Subs area is to revisit the World on the Move concept there. Land, Sea, and Air. Turn MBC into Aquatopia, redo Autopia to go around a new showbuilding, and give it some scale City of Tomorrow buildings to drive through. And inside the showbuilding, use the Hunny Hunt technology to create a Jetsons-style flying pod on an elevated track, then entering a choreographed "traffic jam" where your vehicle weaves in and out of the other vehicles.
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                        • #13
                          A new land for Disneyland could be interesting.

                          That Discovery Bay concept seems tailor made for DCA at this point, especially as it was referred to as a "San Francisco of the 1850-1880's," complete with Chinatown. The entire area between A Bug's Land and Paradise Pier would be a perfect spot. DCA could stand a big infusion of history.

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                          • #14
                            a discovery-centered land consisting of (at the start at least) of Subs + Matterhorn + Motorboat Cruise Ride Of Mystery is such a cool idea. It would definitely end our collective worries about it

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                            • #15
                              Remember ModHatter, it was only freedom fries around Washington DC.

                              Anyway, I think it would be a good idea. The rethemeing would have to be really extensive, but they pay off would be good if it is done well. They can't go halfway like they did for TL 98. I think it would give a breath of fresh air to Disneyland if they incorporate some new rides, as well.

                              By the way, Discovery Bay is also at Tokyo Disney Sea, correct? It's nice that the concept wasn't truly abandoned.
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                              • #16
                                I'm pretty sure Tokyo has something akin to Discovery Bay.

                                I know I sound negative, but perhaps maybe Discovery Bay only sounds so great because we don't have it. If it really were here, we'd probably be complaining if its paint was chipping or something. Just a thought.

                                I think Fantasyland and the Matterhorn fit together fairly well. You could argue that the Skyway never really fit into Disneyland period. It wasnt fantasy and it wasnt the future. It was just buckets. I loved it, but I'm just saying, it didnt really fit either (the FL station fit, but that was all).

                                I think that a new land in the MBC/Matterhorn area isn't really needed. If you make Autopia part of a new land, [/B]THEN TOMORROWLAND IS SHORT A RIDE, and We're always complaining of having little to do there. Face it: No guarantees of a new Peoplemover, so we shouldn't just excise one of the few rides in Tomorrowland.[B] I just think MBC and Matterhorn are fine where they are, in Fantasyland.

                                The Subs/Nemo isn't futuristic, but I have began to realize that almost none of Tomorrowland is futuristic anymore. It has never been said that Buzz Lightyear lives in the future, and he's a toy would could own today. Star Tours is based off a movie series of today, the Starcade games are all "today", Space Mtn, HISTA aren't really futuristic (well, actually, their stories are).

                                All I'm saying is that Nemo will be very popular even if sadly they couldnt be smart enough to think of a fitting new theme for the subs in Tomorrowland.

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                                • #17
                                  I think the idea is for more of a research outpost theme rather than Jules Verne or Barbary Coast. Something in keeping with the "oceanographer yellow" of the subs and the mountain conquering aspect of the Matterhorn. You know, "mysteries of the deep", "abominable snow monster", lost worlds and great discoveries... that kind of thing. A blending of fact and fantasy and the excitement of expiditions into the unknown.
                                  And, I suppose, with a major re-theming the Autopia could fit into all of that too. I like the idea of the Autopia going into some kind of show building but they would definately have to make them electric. Deisel fumes! Phew!
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                                  • #18
                                    Build the EXPEDITION EVEREST ride over the Motorboat Cruise and let the autopia and monorail weave in and out of tunnels and wrap around it.

                                    Then both mountains could be part of EXPLORERLAND or DISCOVERYLAND.

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                                    • #19
                                      Matterhorn fits visually with fantasyland really really well, but thematically its a little suspect. I don't mind it being a Fantasyland ride, but a discovery/exploration-centered land featuring those rides would be pretty cool.

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                                      • #20
                                        The subs are futuristic...we know more about space than we do of our own oceans.




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