We need more Magic!

[JiminyCricketFan]

[Disneyfreak]

I agree!!!

[captsmith84]

Disneyland is called the Magic Kingdom.

Disneyland has never been called the Magic Kingdom. Disneyland has been sometimes referred to as "The magic kingdom of Disneyland" or "Walt Disney's magic kindgom: Disneyland." It has never actually been named that.

The Magic Kingdom is ONLY in Walt Disney World Resort in Florida.

Sorry... just one of my pet-peeves.

[Disney Analyst]

I enjoy california screaming, but it isnt magical as you said...

[Lore]

Bravo!!! Yes!!! Exactly!!! Let me add some more...

Wondering through a shop filled with rare antiques in a replica New Orleans... MAGIC
Having the choice of only buying plush toys or candy... NOT MAGIC
Taking amazing photos at Kodak photo spots... MAGIC
Seeing decaying and broken rides behind mounds of parked strollers... NOT MAGIC
Seeing a shark attacked by an octopus through the window of a submarine... MAGIC
Seeing painted plywood cutouts of Pooh... NOT MAGIC
Visiting a park that amazes, entertains, and educates all ages... MAGIC
Visiting a park that a 5 year old would find juvenille... NOT MAGIC

[Alchimedes]

Disneyland has never been called the Magic Kingdom. Disneyland has been sometimes referred to as "The magic kingdom of Disneyland" or "Walt Disney's magic kindgom: Disneyland." It has never actually been named that.

The Magic Kingdom is ONLY in Walt Disney World Resort in Florida.

Sorry... just one of my pet-peeves.

Huhumm... Excuse me, but on the train at Main Street the taped or voice of the Disneyland train says in part" Now boarding for a trip around Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom"....How is this different? I'm just foggy on this, :confused: could you clarify? Thanks

[Disney Analyst]

One main magic thing for me is:

During the day trampling over tom sawyer island, and the mill area, then by night walking by to see people sitting and waiting for something, I wait and all of sudden, music! LIGHTS RISE OUT OF THE ISLAND I WAS TRAMPLING ON, MICKEY APPEARS, THERES A DRAGON! OMG... Then it all ends, and it looks like nothing ever happened, the lights are gonae, everything's vanished... Thats magic!

[Fantasmico!]

magic genie says," you want more magic? i got your magic right here, on TLC starting sunday night a whole weekdedicated to magic!"

oh, not the magic you were taliking about? oh. well then, back to your regularly scheduled programming! more pixie dust!

[captsmith84]

Huhumm... Excuse me, but on the train at Main Street the taped or voice of the Disneyland train says in part" Now boarding for a trip around Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom"....How is this different? I'm just foggy on this, :confused: could you clarify? Thanks

That's just it... it's not saying Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom, it's saying Walt Disney's magic kingdom. The words "magic" and "kingdom" are used as adj. to describe Walt Disney's park... his magic kingdom. (of Disneyland)

Tricky grammar rules, eh? Because someone says magic kingdom, they could just be describing Disneyland Park... Disneyland Park is a magic kingdom. But THE Magic Kingdom Park is only in WDW.

In the Walt Disney World Resort, the actual name of the park is "The Magic Kingdom Park."
In the Disneyland Resort, the actual name of the park is "Disneyland Park."

Also, while I'm on this topic...

"The Happiest Place on Earth" only refers to Disneyland Park in California.
"The Most Magical Place on Earth" only refers to the Magic Kingdom Park in Florida.


And yes, Epcot is inside the Walt Disney World Resort...

This is why many people hate it when you (not you, just anyone) say that you're going to Disney World today, and Epcot tomorrow.

[gibbage]

Riding a roller-coaster in the shape of mouse ears... NOT magic
Playing carnival games... NOT magic
Seeing a film about the history of California... NOT magic

I dont think DCA was ever ment to me "Magic". I think it was ment to be an area for people who want thrill rides.

I find it sort of ironic. To read the post's of people who scream and yell "Disneyland is not about thrill rides!", and then complain when the put the thrill rides in another park. I would think you all would be HAPPY Tower of Terror was not slapped down in the middle of Fantisy Land, or Screamin not put in TL. DCA was ment to be a Six Flags, with a touch of Disney magic. Not another Disneyland. You already have one of those within a stones throw of DCA!

Well if you have a good arm.. I think I can, depending on the stone..... I have a good arm.. But my legs are not any better then the security's, so I think im gonna pass on testing this out...

Man, I should not post at 2AM.

[JiminyCricketFan]

The Magic Kingdom is ONLY in Walt Disney World Resort in Florida.

Sorry... just one of my pet-peeves.

I understand your confusion. But there is a correction to be made. Disneyland was original titled "the Magic Kingdom." It was what was announced at the ticket boths outside and announced by the train at the station. Even at the end of the day you would told "We hope you enjoyed your stay in the Magic Kingdom" when leaving on the tram. I believe that Walt called his park that. This goes back long before WDW was built. Disneyland is still called that today even by offical Disneyland announcers. When they did build WDW, they basically copied the design of Disneyland as the one and only park in Florida. For a while it was Walt Disney World to people so that might be why some still refer to it today. They used the same description, "The Magic Kingdom" in the offical annoucements at WDW because they just copied what Disneyland was using. Now when more parks were added to WDW, they needed a name for the original park. Disneyland was used, and calling it the Magic Kingdom came naturally.

Now I don't want to make a fus about this. It is not that important, but "Magic" is part of both parks. (After all they both have basically the same design!) As an original Disneyland fan, I don't mind that the Florida park took the original title for Disneyland. I think it is kind of flattering! But in this 50th anniversary year when we honor Disneyland, let us not forget that Disneyland came first. If there was no Disneyland, there would be no "Magic Kingdom" in Florida. So let us celebrate both parks. After all, they are both Disney!!

[captsmith84]

I'm afraid to say you're the one who is wrong on this one. Disney even called Birnbaum's guide on the issue to correct them. If you look at all issues before 2002 or 2003, Birnbaum's was calling it the Magic Kingdom. Then it changed to Disneyland Park...

Now, according to Dave Smith, the name of the park in California was NEVER officially called The Magic Kingdom, but many people used the name to describe the park of "Disneyland." The name was used in many places, even in the park sometimes, but it was never the official name. And Walt actually answered that question once if he called the park the Magic Kingdom. He said that he didn't, that's something that the public came up with to describe his park, and it kinda stuck on. And today, it's not called magic kingdom anywhere except in older announcements. The name is Disneyland Park. You don't believe me? Get a guidemap of the park next time you go. It won't say Magic Kingdom.

Now in WDW, it does say Magic Kingdom. Perhaps some people used it on tickets or on announcements to describe the park, but the park was never officially called that.

[Disneylandrocks55]

I think sitting in a dark room, not knowing much about what is about to happen, and suddenly you are rissen into the air and suddenly you are FLYING over the golden gate bridge is magic! Plumiting 13 stories down a deserted hotel's elevator shaft is magic also. Walking on a pier near the ocean, smack dab in the middle of a city, is magic. Taking a River raft ride through a mountain that's shaped like a bear is magic. Eating dinner on a fisherman's warf is magic. Watching Aladin soar over your head in a magic carpet is magic, walking through a sorcerers workshop to suddenly find the mirror come alive and start talking to you is magic.

Yes, it's not 'as' magical as birds singing to you, or ghosts apearing right before your eyes... But it's still Disney Magic! California Adventure is still a baby. Saying that DCA doesn't have as much magic as DL is like comparing a 50 year old to a 4 year old. Give DCA time to Grow!

[Neon Cactus]

I agree with you. True, California Screamin' might not take you through a flooded western town or any sort of theme, but it's a very fun, very smooth roller coaster. I would describe Soarin' as magical. DCA has some excellent attractions, it's just not a full day park yet. That doesn't mean it's not magical.

[Kevie]

I do think Disney in general needs to reinstate magic, instead of cheap rides that are designed to appease little kids--Monsters Inc and Nemo will probably be examples of that idea.

I don't nessacarily think California Screamin' is a good ride, but it's not THAT bad. At least it has a bit of a theme. No THEMING, but a storyline at least...a very small one.

[yensid98]

[QUOTE=gibbage] DCA was ment to be a Six Flags, with a touch of Disney magic. Not another Disneyland.QUOTE]

Well if that's what it was supposed to be they failed in my eyes. It's nowhere near as exhilerating a park as Six Flags. Is it supposed to be another Disneyland? Well it doesn't have half the charm of Disneyland. A hybrid betwen the two? Well I find that a great challenge, a challenge that still had to be met.

As it stands, DCA feels like a theme park for the board room. Trying so hard to be all things to all people while it only winds up feeling shallow and unfocused. Soarin' and The Animation Building loby are the only things that live up the Disney legacy IMHO.

[gibbage]

Well if that's what it was supposed to be they failed in my eyes. It's nowhere near as exhilerating a park as Six Flags. Is it supposed to be another Disneyland? Well it doesn't have half the charm of Disneyland. A hybrid betwen the two? Well I find that a great challenge, a challenge that still had to be met.

As it stands, DCA feels like a theme park for the board room. Trying so hard to be all things to all people while it only winds up feeling shallow and unfocused. Soarin' and The Animation Building loby are the only things that live up the Disney legacy IMHO.

How long has 6 Flags been around? A long time. When 6 Flags first opened, it was not much. But it matured over time. Same for DCA. Its still in the early stages of life as a park. Disneyland when it first opened was also not much compaired to what we have today.

[dshimel]

How long has 6 Flags been around? A long time. When 6 Flags first opened, it was not much. But it matured over time. Same for DCA. Its still in the early stages of life as a park. Disneyland when it first opened was also not much compaired to what we have today.

There are two major differences between Disneyland at opening and DCA at opening.

1) Theming.
Disneyland lacked sufficient rides to fill a day, but it had AWESOME themes..... Add rides and you get the world's greatest theme park.

DCA lacked sufficient rides to fill a day, and the themes were real-world, here and now, mundane reality crud that people could easily see and do in real life, but few bother becuase they suck. Add rides, and you get an okay theme park with great rides but a sucky mundane theme.

2) Cost.
Disneyland was a half-day park, but the price was reasonable for a half-day park... $1 to enter... $2 including rides. Inflated to today, that would be about $14. Even if you account for labor intense costs going up at twice the rate of overall infaltion, that would but it in the $25-30 range. Not $50.

Had DL opened with a $3 admission, $7.50 including rides, people would have complained too.

[SilentBob66]

I'm afraid to say you're the one who is wrong on this one. Disney even called Birnbaum's guide on the issue to correct them. If you look at all issues before 2002 or 2003, Birnbaum's was calling it the Magic Kingdom. Then it changed to Disneyland Park...

Now, according to Dave Smith, the name of the park in California was NEVER officially called The Magic Kingdom, but many people used the name to describe the park of "Disneyland." The name was used in many places, even in the park sometimes, but it was never the official name. And Walt actually answered that question once if he called the park the Magic Kingdom. He said that he didn't, that's something that the public came up with to describe his park, and it kinda stuck on. And today, it's not called magic kingdom anywhere except in older announcements. The name is Disneyland Park. You don't believe me? Get a guidemap of the park next time you go. It won't say Magic Kingdom.

Now in WDW, it does say Magic Kingdom. Perhaps some people used it on tickets or on announcements to describe the park, but the park was never officially called that.

I don't believe anyone ever said that Disneyland was "officially" called the Magic Kingdom. It has been referred to as that, however, for decades, as equally as it has been called "the Happiest Place on Earth" for decades.

So, where you're getting this notion that anyone even said that Disneyland was "officially called the Magic Kingdom", I don't know. Did anyone actually say "Disneyland is Officially Called the Magic Kingdom"? If so, I'd love to see it. JiminyCricketFan said it was simply called the Magic Kingdom. The word "officially" was never used. Perhaps you can issue corrections only when there is a mistake is made?

[MickeyMania]

There's magic in inventions but not in the way they're currently being presented. I know this to be true, because otherwise there wouldn't be any nostalgia for House of the Future.

Money definitely helps magic happen, although budgets, people's need to know how things work, and the internet's ability to tell them can sort of put a damper on it. As the saying goes, if man cannot tell how something is happening, then it might as well be considered magic.

So many of Disney's rides can be logically picked apart. It's time to invest into something new and groundbreaking again.