Filling in 20,000 Leagues a mistake?

[s8ntmark]

I just thought of it....

I was kind of happy and self assured that WE (ie Disneylanders) would not only be keeping our subs but getting a (hopefully) cool Nemo overlay where WDW just had their lagoon shuttered and filled in, HA!

But then it hit me, what if the new Nemo theme is really cool, and it does really well over here...and they decided that it would be a good thing to bring over to WDW...they just filled in the most pefect location for a Nemo attraction...more then Tomorrowland, a Pixar attraction would fit better in Fantasyland anyway and now the opportunity is gone.

Management mistake? Short sited future planning? What do you think?

[Disneyfreak]

I just thought of it....

I was kind of happy and self assured that WE (ie Disneylanders) would not only be keeping our subs but getting a (hopefully) cool Nemo overlay where WDW just had their lagoon shuttered and filled in, HA!

But then it hit me, what if the new Nemo theme is really cool, and it does really well over here...and they decided that it would be a good thing to bring over to WDW...they just filled in the most pefect location for a Nemo attraction...more then Tomorrowland, a Pixar attraction would fit better in Fantasyland anyway and now the opportunity is gone.

Management mistake? Short sited future planning? What do you think?

I am actually glad they filled it in, that means that they wont be a bunch of copiers and take our unique attraction.

[s8ntmark]

Good point

[Disneyfreak]

It is the number 1 thing I hate about Disney these days and that is making clones of other attractions. It is plain lazy, cheap, and not innovative.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Ah, but cost effective! Every time one park pays Imagineering to develop an attraction (even if its just sketches, not final blueprints), it saves another Disney park money if they can find a way to incorporate new developments at other Disney parks into their own resorts.

Now, if they were smart they would each try to "best" each other by one upping the last guy: adding new effects and thrills to make thier version better.

Then everyone wins, eventually the first park does a refurb and brings in new details. For example Disneyland CA could "steal" the dart scene from Tokyo's Indy and install a better scene with 3 D statues not the ones painted on the wall.

Now, the DL subs can go grey (military) or yellow (explorer) or be modified to look DISNEYESQUE to look like DORI if they wanted to, with easy modificaions to the exterior of the torpedo shaped subs.

How would you turn the Nautilus into anything else? My understanding is if you dont use the same ride vehicles, if you design new ones from the ground up, you have to follow ADA guidelines for wheelchairs to be able to board. So in FL it would have been more difficult to do a Nemo overlay even though the ride would be a better fit into Fantasyland over there than it is in Tomorrowland over here.

[Disneyfreak]

Ah, but cost effective!

That isnt what Disney is about at least that wasn't what Walt was about. Walt was about taking chances and spending money to make money.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

That isnt what Disney is about at least that wasn't what Walt was about. Walt was about taking chances and spending money to make money.

If the cost of building new attractions go down 40% by "stealing", that's 40% more you can budget into the new version.

Or you can build more rides more often. I say dont make the tourists crisscross the country then they spend more on airfare than at the parks.

The whole reason for two resorts in the US is so each can serve one side of the country. If Chicago or Minneapolis werent so cold there'd be a Disney resort there somewhere too.

[Disney Analyst]

You guys annoy me with the copying! You act like kidergardeners saying, they copied me! It's there company they can do what they want. It's not always easy for someone who lives by WDW to come to DL and have the chance to ride some cool ride! To me it sounds like you guys are just being greedy!

[mp3piratesavvy]

But how could they have done it in WDW if they had the 20k nautilis subs? The 20k theme wouldnt mix well with (finding) Nemo since they have the captain nemo subs.

[Ghostbuster626]

Looking in hindsight they should have brought the 20k version of the subs to Disenyland to match the Victorian theme of tommorowland'98 and give us a slightly fresher version of the subs and then given florida the nemo subs in fantasyland.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

The themes work better if they could be switched but didn't you guys hear me:

Now, the DL subs can go grey (military) or yellow (explorer) or be modified to look DISNEYESQUE to look like DORI if they wanted to, with easy modificaions to the exterior of the torpedo shaped subs.

How would you turn the Nautilus into anything else? My understanding is if you dont use the same ride vehicles, if you design new ones from the ground up, you have to follow ADA guidelines for wheelchairs to be able to board. So in FL it would have been more difficult to do a Nemo overlay even though the ride would be a better fit into Fantasyland over there than it is in Tomorrowland over here.

[Disneyfreak]

You guys annoy me with the copying! You act like kidergardeners saying, they copied me! It's there company they can do what they want. It's not always easy for someone who lives by WDW to come to DL and have the chance to ride some cool ride! To me it sounds like you guys are just being greedy!

It is even more childish to say that it isnt fair that the other park has something unique and pout over it. Each park should be unique and that would help the Disney brand out by making each park different it would encourage people to travel and spend big bucks to see all new stuff at other parks.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Each park should be unique and that would help the Disney brand out by making each park different it would encourage people to travel and spend big bucks to see all new stuff at other parks.

Disney makes a lot more money when the cost of air travel isnt' a factor for a family of 4 or 5 or 6.

[Witches of Morva]

ORDDU: My sisters and I were have already been talking amongst ourselves about how short sighted Disney World Management has become--over this same regard--filling in the sub lagoon at Fantasyland too soon. What if the Finding Nemo attraction IS popular--they will have made a move they could end up regretting.

ORWEN: And, as for being worried about cloning something from another park--we'd rather have them do THAT, as opposed to what it looks like they're going to do in Florida, instead. For instance, the former sub lagoon is being turned into a character meet and greet area with no immediate plans for an attraction to go on all that vast land. Give us Finding Nemo ANY day over a wasted meet 'n greet area!! It's all a ploy to 'save' money and cheapen the guest's experience!

[Kevie]

I really miss 20k Lagoon at WDW. Yes filling it in was stupid, especially considering they are just putting a playground in there now.

[Disney Analyst]

It is even more childish to say that it isnt fair that the other park has something unique and pout over it. Each park should be unique and that would help the Disney brand out by making each park different it would encourage people to travel and spend big bucks to see all new stuff at other parks.

And guess what, not every family has big bucks! Suprise huh?

[Disneylandrocks55]

I am actually glad they filled it in, that means that they wont be a bunch of copiers and take our unique attraction.

C'mon, WDW is not copy cats!! :lol: It's not like there is 2 separate companys copying eachother... It's the same company using the same good ideas. No one is copying anyone. Just my Opinion.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

C'mon, WDW is not copy cats!! :lol: It's not like there is 2 separate companys copying eachother... It's the same company using the same good ideas. No one is copying anyone. Just my Opinion.

It is one company, but each resort operates its own parks and each resort decides what capital improvements to make (what new stuff to build.)

Walt Disney Imagineering, Inc. is hired by the resort to come up with plans for what ever they want to build, and they charge a price for the design and building of the project. Once they are completely finished with a new ride or show, they turn over the keys to the resort that paid to have it built.

Then the blueprints are filed at WDI.

So when Disneyland Resort comes to WDI, the folks at Imagineering can say "look what we're working on for Walt Disney World" and then Matt Ouimet can say "hey that gives me an idea, that would work in Disneyland."

So, this is how it works unless or until someone at Walt Disney Company Corporate Office in Burbank decides to make a worldwide master plan for the theme parks, and make the various resorts fall into line.

But Burbank management doesn't know what "works" on a day to day basis the way the resorts do themselves. Only so much can be put into a powerpoint demonstration -- a lot of this information is gathered organically when Matt walks the park and says "Tomorrowland really IS dead, I have to do something about this."

[s8ntmark]

But how could they have done it in WDW if they had the 20k nautilis subs? The 20k theme wouldnt mix well with (finding) Nemo since they have the captain nemo subs.

They could have used a Nemo meets Nemo theme for WDW, basically the same ride, but with its own themed narration. Heck they basically did DL's Subs with the Nemo overlay anyway...

But someone told me something about what they heard Nemo might be like, and (rumors all rumors) apparently the beginning would be the same and then when the capt says that jive about the Sonar Hydrophones and hearing the fish talk, he turns it on, and the fish TALK...Dori, Nemo, and whoever...

Personally I think it would be cool to reuse Jaque Coustous' (sp?) son from the Educational short on the Nemo DVD. We could be riding with him in his exploration sub, then he turns on the Sonar HydroPhone and the Nemo characters start talking and following us through liquid space and many adventures, including an encounter with an newly off-the-wagon Bruce (who trys to break into the sub), and even the Seagulls (bobbing their heads underwater to get at the fish).

[MickeyMania]

Some may see it as a short sighted mistake but it's probably for the better, as they'll get something else there instead. I don't see it as "taking our attraction" like someone above, but you have to admit that variety in Disney parks is what helps make them great.

For 17 years or so, the company has been running on the philosophy that good ideas are few and far between, so once you finally land on one you must use it everywhere. It started when Splash Mountain suddently exploded into every other Disney kingdom. It most recently happened when Soarin' went to Epcot, California film and all.

Hopefully, Iger will let people have the courage to try different ideas. I don't know about you, but even though people say Stitch at MK is bad, I want to see it. I want to go to Epcot because there's Mission Space and Test Track and a variety of old 1970s slow rides like DL used to do that I haven't seen. I want to go to Tokyo to see Pooh and the DisneySea stuff. I want to go to Paris for Space Mountain with the cannon and loops. I want to go to MGM for... I don't know yet, but it sure isn't Fantasmic. :lol:

Point is, rides I can't see at DL is what drives me to want to experience the other parks. If they were all carbon copies, feh, I'd just stay home.