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  • travelmom
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    excellent points!

    I wish they put air conditioning in the Monorail, and seal the windows during the summer!

    I always loved it, but sometimes I can't breathe!

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  • ModHatter
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    Right... isn't Time Travel still something futuristic?
    Going back to, say, 1988 is just like Sam Becket going back to fix something that was never supposed to happen.

    But I agree, let's not freeze Tomorrowland in Carbonite. Let's just acknowledge that, at least aside from an Eisner touch here or there, it was still a forward-looking land completely unlike the other lands, square, and country of its time. It had that Spark, that spirit that made it special, and that spirit should be what drives the evolution of Tomorrowland, not what has a large unadjusted gross in the theaters.

    As for PeopleMover... it's important to note again that Disneyland isn't an amusement park, it's a themepark, and what better ride than PeopleMover to enjoy the beauty and craftsmanship of such an excellent theme. It really is the DRR of Tomorrowland. It would be great if they could redo the Monorail station as scheduled to also include a new station for the PeopleMover, so you can experience the two systems the way we would have if Walt had ever gotten to build his EPCOT... Then if you fuse the track between Buzz and Star Tours, you could pull out those pylons and track from the TL hub, and create a truly dramatic new Rocket Jets, loading at ground level and climbing a three-story gantry...

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  • s8ntmark
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    Originally posted by MotorBoatCruise2005
    Do you realize what you just said? You said that to improve TOMORROWLAND, we should GO BACK to the 1980's?!?!?!

    One of the most confusing things is that People say let's go back to the old days in the very land themed to the future!
    Well the thinking at WDI for the "Victorian" Tomorrowland was instead of trying to predict the future, present a future from a "Timeless" era, so that the "Future" doesnt date so quickly. That was one of the reasons (someone from WDI said) why Tomorrowland was also being redone, the future always caught up with it....but by creating a Fantasy future on that isnt out true future but instead a classic view of things ahead of a time....your Tomorrowland isnt a tired prediction of things to come (yes we've BEEN to the Moon, lets change it to a trip to MARS! )

    However Im not sure that going back to the 1980's is a great idea. I love Tomorrowland, I even like the promise of the 98 overlay (Im a big fan of SteamPunk...not that this WAS steampunk) but putting everything back the way it was isnt seems like a sort of uninspired move. YES I want to se the peoplemover again! Thats my big excitement, and The Subs too! But taking out the Astro Orbiter and putting it back ontop of the Peoplemover loading platform seems superfluous, I like them where they are....the new entrance is kinda coolwith the rock work and everything....are they going to take THAT out too?

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  • Tom Chaney
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    Originally posted by Ghostbuster626
    Let me end your confusion:

    Tommorowland'98 was not an EVOLUTION of tommorowland it was more of a change in theme..a dumb, not-completly-thought-out overlay. New management realizes this and their removing the overlay and restoring the tommorowland that was there before TL'98 with updates. So think of it like this:

    Tommorowland'87 => Tommorowland'98: Change in theme
    Tommorowkand'98 => Upgraded Tommorowland'87: Restoration of theme + small evolution.

    We arent going back to the old days we are getting the rides that were shut down as part of the "victorian overlay" back with improvements and changes so progress is being made. No matter which way you look at it YOU still come out ahead!

    Replay in your mind the scene in Lord Of The Rings when Gandalf releases Theoden from Saruman's evil spell.
    Theoden under spell = Tomorrowland 1998
    Theoden released from spell = Tomorrowland 2005 returning to "normal."
    Saruman = Pressler/Harris
    Gandalf = Ouimet

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  • Ghostbuster626
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    Originally posted by MotorBoatCruise2005
    Do you realize what you just said? You said that to improve TOMORROWLAND, we should GO BACK to the 1980's?!?!?!

    One of the most confusing things is that People say let's go back to the old days in the very land themed to the future!
    Let me end your confusion:

    Tommorowland'98 was not an EVOLUTION of tommorowland it was more of a change in theme..a dumb, not-completly-thought-out overlay. New management realizes this and their removing the overlay and restoring the tommorowland that was there before TL'98 with updates. So think of it like this:

    Tommorowland'87 => Tommorowland'98: Change in theme
    Tommorowkand'98 => Upgraded Tommorowland'87: Restoration of theme + small evolution.

    We arent going back to the old days we are getting the rides that were shut down as part of the "victorian overlay" back with improvements and changes so progress is being made. No matter which way you look at it YOU still come out ahead!

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  • JoeCool
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    Please also see and take part in discussing Tomorrowland at http://www.micechat.com/showthread.php?t=3334

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  • lilbigguy
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    Originally posted by MotorBoatCruise2005
    Do you realize what you just said? You said that to improve TOMORROWLAND, we should GO BACK to the 1980's?!?!?!

    One of the most confusing things is that People say let's go back to the old days in the very land themed to the future!
    New Tomorrowland was a nod to Jules Verne's future, circa 1871.

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  • travelmom
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    Originally posted by MotorBoatCruise2005
    Do you realize what you just said? You said that to improve TOMORROWLAND, we should GO BACK to the 1980's?!?!?!

    One of the most confusing things is that People say let's go back to the old days in the very land themed to the future!
    It does sound ridiculous, but still, it makes sense.
    Those things that people want back, worked in Tomorrowland. There was a flow, and creative energy, constant motion, and entertainment that was exciting.
    I think all of those elements will still be there with an updated people mover, putting Astro Jets back up high where they belong (believe me, it matters, It was exciting to go up the tower to the ride). The fact that these are older ideas doesn't matter. These things can be tweaked to be "era specific" if you will. We do need something new in HISTA, and please bring the TL terrace back in its original form. Innoventions needs to go for something new, but the futuristic feel, of excitement, motion, and fluidity, can be captured quite well I think by bringing some of those old ideas that worked so well back in new forms. The one thing I did like about the 98 redo, was the neon light effects, and all the colors of lights shooting around TL at night. That was awesome, but it didn't last to long due to energy costs.
    What I am trying to say,is is boils down to how we feel in TL. I think if that exciting feeling of motion and sound is all working together (like the gasp old days), can still make us think "future". It only has to be excellent fantasy and theming to transport us to tomorrow.

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  • NWRREngineer
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    What Tom Chaney said.

    I hope Tomorrowland can regain its message of hope for the future and help us feel like we're heading toward something better in our inevitable plunge forward.

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  • Reagan
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    In my opinion, Tomorrowland in WDW has that spark and it isn't much different from what the DL version will be once the People Mover and Astro Orbiter return to their previous glory. At that point, the DL version will also have the subs...

    -Reagan

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  • Tom Chaney
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    Originally posted by MotorBoatCruise2005

    And about the Rocket Jets, okay, 99% of adults won't ride them even if they do go up high. Why do you all want them back up high? Currently, yes, they clog the entrance and the Observatron is ugly, but how many of you are really going to take time out to ride the Rocket Jets if they're up high unless you have kids with you?
    I'm 55... and I will!

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  • Tom Chaney
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    Beginning with Tomorrowland 1998, it almost seemed as if the land had been intentionally targeted for demise. The subs... a Disneyland icon... closed. PM was removed in favor of Rocket Rods... then they were removed. Ciclevision was lost. Mission To Mars became a pizza restaurant. The Rocket Jets have always been just a carny ride, but up on their high perch, Disney themed them in a way to make them magic while providing a great visual above TL. Plopped down where they are today, they're just a carny ride again... and in the way. The giant rolling marble is a snore. HISTA is cute, but doesn't provide a great deal of repeatability. A marvelous rotating AA attraction became a glorified Circuit City. Space Mountain closed. They painted the whole thing brown. Perhaps unintentionally, the message changed from "It's a great big beautiful tomorrow!" to "It's dark and dreary and there's really not a whole lot to do in here." Who wants to visit a place where there is no hope? The Future That Never Was theme failed because of that and because none of the attractions related to it. The visuals were faux-Victorian but the attractions (that were left) were a trip-to-space motion simulator, a celebration of modern technology, kiddy kars and a Monorail. Where was there ONE attraction that related to the "theme?" The Tomorrowland that once had the youth and vitality of an imaginative teenager became an incoherent babbling old fool. The colorful and constant kinetic energy was replaced with an ugly pile of satellite dishes and other junk that barely managed to lift its head once an hour and play some music. Tomorrowland wasn't quite dead, but it was stumbling. It was almost not even a land anymore, but just a passage to get to The Matterhorn.
    Thank goodness for the recent changes. Hope is returning. Bright colors and movement are returning. New attractions have sprung up and the classic ones are returning. A doddering "old" Tomorrowland has been given the elixer of youth and the spark is returning.

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  • Kevie
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    Originally posted by innerSpaceman

    Personally, I think the only thing left to do to improve tommorrowland - - after going back to the 80's
    Do you realize what you just said? You said that to improve TOMORROWLAND, we should GO BACK to the 1980's?!?!?!

    One of the most confusing things is that People say let's go back to the old days in the very land themed to the future!

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  • innerSpaceman
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    Um, me. I loved the Rocket Jets when they were up high. Best view in the Park. And just for kids??? Pulease ... most of the adults I knew were too scared to ride them!


    Great idea about using Hitchhiker's Guide as an attraction theme. If the movie's a hit, the brilliant folks at TDA should get around to making a synergystic attraction out of it by around 2036 or so!



    Personally, I think the only thing left to do to improve tommorrowland - - after going back to the 80's with a return to white&blue, a new Star Tours, a revised Submarine Voyage, a revised Peoplemover and putting the Rocket Jets back where they belong - - would be to go a bit further back in time (how ironic) and get rid of that ugly, useless theater blocking the view of Space Mountain, and put an actual attraction inside that vast carousel building.

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  • Kevie
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    Originally posted by 100th Dalmation
    Bring Back The Skyway Buckets!
    I seriously doubt this would happen. I want the Skyway back more than any ride at Disneyland, but it just isnt practical. They're pretty much removed the one station (above the Hatmosphere in Tomorrowland) and they put a little planter there. (Although I dont get it, the station must've been there until at least 2000, cuz I heard they used it as a bay for Rocket Rods).

    Plus, the Skyway was a victim of pretty low capacity, slow loading etc. The Tokyo Disneyland Skyway, actually, didn't close because of that. It had an automatic loading procedure, and the buckets had glass, so you couldn't possible jump out or throw anything. If anything, I hope Disneyland (California) gets the Skyway that Tokyo used to have, because it solved almost all problems inherit with that type of ride! (Tokyo, if you wanna know, tore it down for a Pooh ride).

    I don't get what was so good about the Peoplemover. Indeed, a resting, relaxing ride with nice views, but we tend not to mention that it was bumpy and pretty uncomfortable with the hard plastic seating. Plus, it had stopped looking futuristic by the 1980's.

    Now I know what I will be told, and that's that a new Peoplemover would have new, sleek vehicles. But a lot of the pictures I've seen that people want them to use for new Peoplemover vehicles--well, it's just not going to happen. We'll probably get some basic vehicles that might look more futuristic, but nothing like the art seen on these boards.

    Im not bashing anyone here. I'd rather not wait for long and be able to sit and rest and take in the sights for 15 minutes (Peoplemover) than wait three hours and blast around TL for 2 minutes (Rocket Rods). But I just don't GET why everyone is so excited about them bringing back the Peoplemover--AND ALSO, ITS NOT EVEN CONFIRMED. I love Al Lutz's updates, and what he says usually does come true, but we need to realize it's not gonna happen for like 2+ years, because Disney is very slow with construction most of the time. They took 3 years to build Rocket Rods when it could've been done in 6 months.

    So basically What is so exciting about the fact that they MAY choose to bring back a ride in which you basically sit there and it tells you about rides you already know about? I mean, if you want to relax, why not just sit on a bench? Same difference.

    About Atmosphere in TL, I do understand that the Peoplemover added "motion" but that's a little exagerrated. The thing moved so slowly, you could make an oil painting of a train before it passed you. I'm not saying I want a high speed ride either, but the Peoplemover was ridiculously slow.

    Ideally, a new Peoplemover will employ futuristic technology, have a snazzier theme/name (NOTHING MOVIE BASED, PLEASE!!), and be entertaining. It should also go about 8-10mph (not fast, not slow, good pace!) and should not have any 2.0 in its name. It's really dumb to say "I'm gonna go ride Peoplemover 2.0" Of Course a new name would solve the 2.0 problem anyways.

    Just remember not to get too excited about a Peoplemover just because Al Lutz says it's gonna happen.

    And about the Rocket Jets, okay, 99% of adults won't ride them even if they do go up high. Why do you all want them back up high? Currently, yes, they clog the entrance and the Observatron is ugly, but how many of you are really going to take time out to ride the Rocket Jets if they're up high unless you have kids with you?

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  • 100th Dalmation
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    Bring Back The Skyway Buckets!

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  • lilbigguy
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    [QUOTE=Ghostbuster626]-Honey! needs to be replaced with a new show or attraction possibly based on Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy QUOTE]
    I just hope Hitchhiker's Guide is worhty enough of a feature to warrent an attraction nod. I think having the Peoplemover creating action in the front as well as restoring the Rocket Jets to their former location will help a lot. I'll admit I'm a big retro fan, and would like to see the Tomorroland Terrace fixture with the planters return to the top of the stage. I'd like to see more of the "what the future was" stuff worked into a revamp of the CoP, something showing the progress of sci-fi and all that jazz.

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  • Ghostbuster626
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    Here is what needs to be done to get the Spark back:

    -Star Tours needs to become Star Tours II

    -Space Mountain needs to open

    -A new version of the Peoplemover needs to be put on the track

    -Submarine Voyage needs to return (preferably WITHOUT NEMO)

    -Honey! needs to be replaced with a new show or attraction possibly based on Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy

    - Starcade & Skyway Station need to be gutted/torn down to make way for a new attraction.

    -Innoventions needs to be gutted and converted back into an AA show or a new ride

    -Club Buzz needs to be changed to something like Tommorrowland Terrace or be demolished.

    -Pizza Port needs to be replaced with a ride again

    I think most people would agree with my points.

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  • Disneyfreak
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    Our subs need to return. I also think that the loss of cosmic waves did a lot of damage to the area because the movement was lost. The same goes with rocket rods. The rocket jets need to be restored to the only area where they work.

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  • Disney Analyst
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    Arent they refurbing the rest.?

    And yeah, isnt the peoplemover now supposidly coming back? RUMOURS RUMOURS RUMOURS

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