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  • #41
    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    I find it so surreal that I disagree with almost everything you post.
    I don't find it surreal. i find it normal. people are different, with diffeent opinions, it's perfectly normal not surreal.

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    • #42
      Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

      Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
      Considering that, in recent years, Disneyland employees have killed people, I'd say your comment reflects some degree of naivete or ignorance.
      yes, it happens at every theme park and I also know how invoking fear in people works in some arguemnts, but not this one. Paying more will not stop deathes in the parks. However, BTMR was maintenance not how the employee was trained and the columbia accident may have happened from being short staffed and placing someone who had worked there for a while on a ride she was not trained for...bad management. So, I don't think it was directly related to the ride operator. From what i can recall the rest of been guest error.

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      • #43
        Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

        Originally posted by Uzmati View Post
        Actually the point was to say that a dollar more to enter the parks, supposedly for an increase in CM wages, would never get to the CMs. And that the only way I'd support it would only be if it was given directly to CMs and not to Disney.

        The "Tip" thing was used and an example of direct giving. But surely you're smart enough to have figured that out...aren't you
        And let me be more clear - I do not feel it is the public's place to subsidize the wages of the employees of Disney (or any other for profit private entity). The company is making a profit - the salary and benefits of the employee are already paid for by the consumer who pays for goods and services from Disney (insert any other for profit entity). Increasing the expected outlay from the consumer in an effort to increase the wages of the lowest paid employee is not ethical when the company is making huge profits and is able to provide outragous wages, benefits, and perks to a select few. IMO a newscaster should not make millions of dollars. A sports figure should not be a multi-millionaire - you get my drift.

        And we are already subsidizing the minimum wage employee in many cases with our taxes. Some workers getting min. wage are eligible for tax breaks, for government sponsored health benefits, etc. So . . . how much more do those that earn a better wage have to do to subsidize for profit private enterprize to allow them to make more profits? Because as you said, the CM isn't seeing an increase when the ticket price is increased.
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        • #44
          Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

          I can't see paying a $1 more for everything, because I have a family of 5 and that would get pretty expensive over the course of a 3 day visit. I wouldn't mind throwing an extra $1 down for admission, but definitely not on everything. Even if the prices did go up by $1 I don't think the CM's would end up seeing that much of it. It just seems like Disney doesn't want to pay the park employees that much money.

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          • #45
            Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

            So, low pay and poor working conditions... thank goodness their union dues are going somewhere!

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            • #46
              Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

              Originally posted by demento57 View Post
              So, low pay and poor working conditions... thank goodness their union dues are going somewhere!
              Are CM union? If there are - they may have a very weak union - and that may be their real problem here.
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              • #47
                Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                I certainly would if that was the case...unfortunately the people running things keep jacking up the price for admission, and for decades, these poor CMs haven't gotten anything from it.




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                • #48
                  Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                  Originally posted by pineapplewhipaddict View Post
                  I certainly would if that was the case...unfortunately the people running things keep jacking up the price for admission, and for decades, these poor CMs haven't gotten anything from it.
                  the higher the profits the higher the top peoples bonuses are. The people who can make changes have no desire to do so, because 1) they can get people to work for the wages they offer and 2) they aren't going to do anything that affects their bottom line (pay check). The top people get millions in bonuses and stock options.

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                  • #49
                    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                    Originally posted by minnietoo View Post
                    ...And we are already subsidizing the minimum wage employee in many cases with our taxes. Some workers getting min. wage are eligible for tax breaks, for government sponsored health benefits, etc. So . . . how much more do those that earn a better wage have to do to subsidize for profit private enterprize to allow them to make more profits? Because as you said, the CM isn't seeing an increase when the ticket price is increased.
                    While I don't agree with your premise; you don't have to "subsidize" any CM! You can choose whether or not to purchase a ticket to Disneyland. We have a choice when it comes to supporting a private entity. However, when it comes to government, we have little choice when taxes are embedded and imposed.

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                    • #50
                      Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                      My first impulse was to say YES! of COURSE! Then I realized DL is already overpriced, and management would like US to pay for a CM raise, while they kept earning the same obscene amounts of money. No way. DL should pay higher wages, At least $5 higher, to attract top talent. But their price point should not be moved.

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                      • #51
                        Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                        Yes, i would. Most CM's are doing a great job.

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                        • #52
                          Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                          Being a former DL Cast Member yes I would I would actually pay an extra $5 because that would make the cast members actually want to put on a show for the guests, to all my past CM friends thank you for creating such a wonderful show on and off stage!



                          "To All Who Come To This Happy Place Your Welcome!"

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                          • #53
                            Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                            Originally posted by minnietoo View Post
                            Are CM union? If there are - they may have a very weak union - and that may be their real problem here.
                            The CMs, for most positions, are unionized.


                            I agree that more money is not the end-all solution. Refusal to work around schedules just shows how bad Disney's treatment of employees is. Even high skilled pecialists once started at an entry level job. Disney needs to once again create an atmosphere that invites the best of the best of those seeking entry level jobs.

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                            • #54
                              Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                              Originally posted by CastMember 02 View Post
                              Being a former DL Cast Member yes I would I would actually pay an extra $5 because that would make the cast members actually want to put on a show for the guests, to all my past CM friends thank you for creating such a wonderful show on and off stage!

                              Hm m m interesting thought. If the job one hires into is "putting on a show for the guests" (or insert any other job) - and one doesn't want to do that for (insert your own reason) - then perhaps that job isn't for that person. As an employee - one agrees to the terms of hire which include a stated job at a set amount of pay for X number of hours/week. Just a thought.

                              By making this statement I am NOT saying that CM do not deserve a higher wage.
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                              • #55
                                Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                                The problem with saying "disneyland" should pay their CM's more is that it is the Union's CBA dictat's what is paid to the CM's NOT DISNEY. The CM Union rep's should have faught more during the recent contract talks for higher wages if it was really that much of an issue.

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                                • #56
                                  Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                                  Originally posted by SCUBAbe View Post
                                  No, I wouldn't...DL is an entry level job that requires no skills and no previous training. It is not meant to be a job one can "live" on.
                                  That sounds a little cold hearted. A person working full time, even in DL, should be able to live on their wages. Not to mention the fact that DL is in one of the most expensive places in the country.

                                  I would definatley pay $1 more for admission. (Not for everything else - that would ADD UP!!!) However, it is unlikely that the price increase would go to the CMs. Jay Rasulo would probably be the one to get the raise. :rant:

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                                  • #57
                                    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                                    Originally posted by Radiobarry View Post
                                    Couldn't agree more...And about tip jars and such...please. I'd laugh, inwardly, just like I do at the ones at Starbucks after I've paid 4 bucks for a glorified cup of coffee.
                                    I must say, Barry, this post is unlike most of your other posts. I've always thought you to be one of the most generous and kind people.....

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                                    • #58
                                      Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                                      Originally posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
                                      I must say, Barry, this post is unlike most of your other posts. I've always thought you to be one of the most generous and kind people.....
                                      Thank you for your kind words and I'm sorry if you were disappionted here. But even though it's been a few years, I worked in that situation for eight years. There's blame to go around on all sides. But that company is making money hand over fist...I do have some knowledge on their profit margins regarding food for example...so I just can't see paying any more money, either at the gate or in tip jars, for the purpose of what the employer, not the customers, should be doing already.

                                      I don't tip at fast food restaurants...and if I'm standing at the counter waiting for coffee, I don't tip there either.

                                      Now if those proposed tips would benefit all CM's...including the thousands you never see...I might be more in favor of it.

                                      --Barry
                                      God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

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                                      • #59
                                        Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                                        Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                                        Let me just say that there were people brought into the company who came very close to literally killing several hundred people, myself included.
                                        An example would be nice please instead of a general statement.
                                        "And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, "​ This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???

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                                        • #60
                                          Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

                                          Originally posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
                                          That sounds a little cold hearted. A person working full time, even in DL, should be able to live on their wages. Not to mention the fact that DL is in one of the most expensive places in the country.
                                          Even if the work really isn't worth that much? And what is a living wage? Enough for food, clothes, and cheap rent? Or do we include a color TV and cable in that too? What Americans take to "live" is quite a bit.

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