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  • PragmaticIdealist
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by TacAlert View Post
    An example would be nice please instead of a general statement.
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    The particular example I cited involved someone who was introduced into the company at the time that Disneyland was just starting to contend with the increased hiring demands of the 2001 expansion. Most everyone realized that she was quite clearly not Attractions material, except, evidently, the people who actually hired her and decided to cast her in the role of a Disneyland Railroad conductor.

    I personally witnessed her making unbelievable mistakes such as deadheading a train to the roundhouse without throwing the switch between the main line and the spur. (Thankfully, the train whose operation she was conducting was the last of the evening, so no other train was on the main line at the time.)

    The incident to which I referred happened at Frontierland Station, though.

    The block signal between Main Street Station and New Orleans Square was malfunctioning, so Standard Operating Procedures requires that the conductor at Main Street, U.S.A. obtain radio clearance before departing the station.

    Almost all 300 or so of the passengers on my train in New Orleans Square had been seated when I noticed another train approaching the curve that leads into the short tunnel from Adventureland. I started screaming into the radio to stop the train. And, the engineer in the following locomotive was able to do so before there was a collision. The two trains came within just a few feet of each other while endangering the lives of: myself; both crews; the passengers of both trains; and, the guests inside and adjacent to the station.

    The unfortunate irony is that, by the time I left the company, the levels of attrition were so high at Disneyland that this woman was actually made a trainer for the D.R.R.

    There are countless other examples. I'm sure we all remember seeing on the news one of the multi-million-dollar monorail trains dangling from the beam because of pilot error. But, what the general public is able to see is just a small glimpse of what actually happens at the resort far too often, anymore.

    The deaths involving both the Sailing Ship Columbia and Big Thunder Mountain are attributable to the new standards Disney uses in hiring, as well. A business ultimately gets what it pays for. And, all the talk of intrinsic motivation by the I/O psychologists in Human Resources Development is intended more to support the delusions of Disney's nutty management rather than to provide them with realistic advice.

    Dealing with the failure of D.C.A., lower earnings growth, and a tight labor market is, I'm sure, challenging, but the answer is not to lower standards. Disneyland is a differentiated-service business, so it can't sustain extensive cost-cutting of this sort without jeopardizing the future earnings potential of the division, as well as the rest of the company. Destroyed capital equipment, lawsuits and settlements, and hiring and training are not cheap, either, so the lower wages Disney pays now are really just one more example of the company being penny-wise and pound-foolish.
    Last edited by PragmaticIdealist; 09-12-2006, 10:54 PM.

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  • sediment
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    Average gate admission revenue is too low. It needs to be increased, and not by increasing daily ticket prices.
    A day at Disneyland seems to be worth way more than most people here pay.

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  • Druggas
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    Without further ado, I voted "yes".

    And for those that brought the union into the equation, just remember that if Disney would have been fair to their work force in the beginning, there would have been no need for a union.

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  • mycroft16
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    Originally posted by disneychrista View Post
    The problem with saying "disneyland" should pay their CM's more is that it is the Union's CBA dictat's what is paid to the CM's NOT DISNEY. The CM Union rep's should have faught more during the recent contract talks for higher wages if it was really that much of an issue.
    But do you honestly think that if Disney tried to pay their CM's more money the Union would go "Hold on, wait up there Disney... you can't give our members more money. That's breach of contract that is!" I mean really, what union worth its salt would ever say, let alone think, those words? It is up to Disney to pay more. It's up to the union to accept less.

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  • philosofy
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    I voted no. I think we all know that this money would never make it down to the people that could actually make use of it.

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  • Tom Chaney
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
    A person working full time, even in DL, should be able to live on their wages.
    A little off-topic, but I disagree with this statement. First... live at what standard? Second... what do you do with entry-level workers who are still living with their parents? How do they get their first work experience? I'm not hiring them if I have to pay them a "living wage."

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  • Soulquarian
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    Originally posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
    That sounds a little cold hearted. A person working full time, even in DL, should be able to live on their wages. Not to mention the fact that DL is in one of the most expensive places in the country.
    Cold hearted or realistic? Sometimes we have a hard time dealing with those two...

    Disneyland is one of the most expensive places in the county? Not really. It costs about the same as any other theme park. (Southern California is a bad example, but you said country and not state).

    I make no claim on what Disney spends money, but a LOT of it has to go into maintenance. There's a lot of things going on behind the scenes at DL, and a lot of of it requires a lot of money...

    I don't understand how so many people are so adamant about entry level positions being paid living wages. Sure DL is a great place, but you know what? There are more things to consider than fun when looking for a job. No one is forced to work there, and I have no pity for anyone who chooses to work there. After all, they're not doing that much more than I am doing at Blockbuster.

    Granted they have to put up with such frustrating elements as getting to the parking lot almost an hour early, a customer base with ridiculous levels of feelings of entitlement, and sometimes unreasonable scheduling, but what job doesn't have its cons? Once again, you do have a choice in where you want to work.

    Watch my opinion switch in about a week after I start at Innoventions :lol: inch:

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  • Tom Chaney
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    A few of you have touched on something that I feel is probably the most important element of the discussion.

    Disneyland CMs are unionized. It is their union's job to negotiate wages. The CMs pay a portion of their hard-earned wages in union dues to get this representation. If CMs are underpaid, don't start tossing bricks at Disney. Call up the union and ask them why they accepted a contract with such crappy pay!

    Disney doesn't just pay the CMs what they want to. They pay them the wage that was negotiated by the union representative. (...unless The Disney Cast Member Union operates differently that every other labor union in the country.)

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  • lazyboy97O
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
    That sounds a little cold hearted. A person working full time, even in DL, should be able to live on their wages. Not to mention the fact that DL is in one of the most expensive places in the country.
    Even if the work really isn't worth that much? And what is a living wage? Enough for food, clothes, and cheap rent? Or do we include a color TV and cable in that too? What Americans take to "live" is quite a bit.

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  • TacAlert
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    Let me just say that there were people brought into the company who came very close to literally killing several hundred people, myself included.
    An example would be nice please instead of a general statement.

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  • Radiobarry
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by DisneyPrincess4590 View Post
    I must say, Barry, this post is unlike most of your other posts. I've always thought you to be one of the most generous and kind people.....
    Thank you for your kind words and I'm sorry if you were disappionted here. But even though it's been a few years, I worked in that situation for eight years. There's blame to go around on all sides. But that company is making money hand over fist...I do have some knowledge on their profit margins regarding food for example...so I just can't see paying any more money, either at the gate or in tip jars, for the purpose of what the employer, not the customers, should be doing already.

    I don't tip at fast food restaurants...and if I'm standing at the counter waiting for coffee, I don't tip there either.

    Now if those proposed tips would benefit all CM's...including the thousands you never see...I might be more in favor of it.

    --Barry

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  • VeganPrincess
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    Originally posted by Radiobarry View Post
    Couldn't agree more...And about tip jars and such...please. I'd laugh, inwardly, just like I do at the ones at Starbucks after I've paid 4 bucks for a glorified cup of coffee.
    I must say, Barry, this post is unlike most of your other posts. I've always thought you to be one of the most generous and kind people.....

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  • VeganPrincess
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    Originally posted by SCUBAbe View Post
    No, I wouldn't...DL is an entry level job that requires no skills and no previous training. It is not meant to be a job one can "live" on.
    That sounds a little cold hearted. A person working full time, even in DL, should be able to live on their wages. Not to mention the fact that DL is in one of the most expensive places in the country.

    I would definatley pay $1 more for admission. (Not for everything else - that would ADD UP!!!) However, it is unlikely that the price increase would go to the CMs. Jay Rasulo would probably be the one to get the raise. :rant:

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  • disneychrista
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    The problem with saying "disneyland" should pay their CM's more is that it is the Union's CBA dictat's what is paid to the CM's NOT DISNEY. The CM Union rep's should have faught more during the recent contract talks for higher wages if it was really that much of an issue.

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  • minnietoo
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by CastMember 02 View Post
    Being a former DL Cast Member yes I would I would actually pay an extra $5 because that would make the cast members actually want to put on a show for the guests, to all my past CM friends thank you for creating such a wonderful show on and off stage!

    Hm m m interesting thought. If the job one hires into is "putting on a show for the guests" (or insert any other job) - and one doesn't want to do that for (insert your own reason) - then perhaps that job isn't for that person. As an employee - one agrees to the terms of hire which include a stated job at a set amount of pay for X number of hours/week. Just a thought.

    By making this statement I am NOT saying that CM do not deserve a higher wage.

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  • lazyboy97O
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by minnietoo View Post
    Are CM union? If there are - they may have a very weak union - and that may be their real problem here.
    The CMs, for most positions, are unionized.


    I agree that more money is not the end-all solution. Refusal to work around schedules just shows how bad Disney's treatment of employees is. Even high skilled pecialists once started at an entry level job. Disney needs to once again create an atmosphere that invites the best of the best of those seeking entry level jobs.

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  • CastMember 02
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    Being a former DL Cast Member yes I would I would actually pay an extra $5 because that would make the cast members actually want to put on a show for the guests, to all my past CM friends thank you for creating such a wonderful show on and off stage!

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  • barfownz
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    Yes, i would. Most CM's are doing a great job.

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  • fjhuerta
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    My first impulse was to say YES! of COURSE! Then I realized DL is already overpriced, and management would like US to pay for a CM raise, while they kept earning the same obscene amounts of money. No way. DL should pay higher wages, At least $5 higher, to attract top talent. But their price point should not be moved.

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  • disneyhound
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    Re: Would you pay $1 more if it went to the CMs?

    Originally posted by minnietoo View Post
    ...And we are already subsidizing the minimum wage employee in many cases with our taxes. Some workers getting min. wage are eligible for tax breaks, for government sponsored health benefits, etc. So . . . how much more do those that earn a better wage have to do to subsidize for profit private enterprize to allow them to make more profits? Because as you said, the CM isn't seeing an increase when the ticket price is increased.
    While I don't agree with your premise; you don't have to "subsidize" any CM! You can choose whether or not to purchase a ticket to Disneyland. We have a choice when it comes to supporting a private entity. However, when it comes to government, we have little choice when taxes are embedded and imposed.

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