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    I know that we have heard these lines before from Disney management such as Abe but take this for what its worth. From TMZ.

    A Disneyland rep tells TMZ that this was "the first" he had heard of the change, and said that there were no plans to change any of the Tom Sawyer Islands, whether in Anaheim, Calif., Orlando, Fla., or Tokyo.

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    ^ But then again, TMZ couldn't even quote Al's article correctly.

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    • #3
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      And then again (athird?), nothing about this rumor was even confirmed. It's not surprising that not everyone in Disney knew about it or had heard it.

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        Then again, all these things have not yet been announced! Even the Placemaking project is not official yet! Says the park when I asked them! And unless there is a TSI refurbishment on the list DON'T GET WORRIED!
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        • #5
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          As described in Al's report, the proposed time-frame alone is extremely suspect. It is so completely unrealistic. A total redesign and remake of TSI, including plant life, in seven months?

          I don't think so.
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            Originally posted by HBG2 View Post
            As described in Al's report, the proposed time-frame alone is extremely suspect. It is so completely unrealistic. A total redesign and remake of TSI, including plant life, in seven months?

            I don't think so.
            Well, remember that all of Disneyland was built in one year in 1955! So with today's more modern equipement, I think it is easily possible to complete the project in seven months.

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            • #7
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              How long did we know for a fact that we were getting the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage before Disney said it was so? And I'm only counting the very last time that led to what is going on today?

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                Originally posted by JiminyCricketFan View Post
                Well, remember that all of Disneyland was built in one year in 1955! So with today's more modern equipement, I think it is easily possible to complete the project in seven months.
                But remember what Disneyland was in 1955...not too much. So draining the river to get all the equiptment over...I think if it a real retheme to the extent of changing the foliage...it'll be huge. 7 months does sound a bit suspect.

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                  Originally posted by JiminyCricketFan View Post
                  Well, remember that all of Disneyland was built in one year in 1955! So with today's more modern equipement, I think it is easily possible to complete the project in seven months.
                  It was BUILT in one year, but that doesn't include the years of planning beforehand. If the article is correct, they haven't even started the concept and design work for a pirate island yet. They would also have to design and build a new system of access to the island (the rafts surely won't do the job). Also, DL was content to open with very little vegetation by today's standards. That won't do. A denuded island waiting for new foliage to thicken and fill in would be an eyesore and a scandal.

                  Nope. Seven months is impossible for this, starting almost from ground zero.
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                    Originally posted by HBG2 View Post
                    It was BUILT in one year, but that doesn't include the years of planning beforehand. If the article is correct, they haven't even started the concept and design work for a pirate island yet. They would also have to design and build a new system of access to the island (the rafts surely won't do the job). Also, DL was content to open with very little vegetation by today's standards. That won't do. A denuded island waiting for new foliage to thicken and fill in would be an eyesore and a scandal.

                    Nope. Seven months is impossible for this, starting almost from ground zero.
                    Nope! Never going to happen at all!
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                    "Come on, Let's go see Country Bear- .......Oh."
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                    And this elevator traverls directly to The Twilight Zone The Gift Shop!
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                      It would also be hard to finish in 7 months because it's in the middle of a working theme park. Disneyland was built in a year, but there weren't guests in it daily at the time.

                      Though the timeline may be suspect, it doesn't mean there's no truth to this. Al has never been in the habit of sharing completely false information, after all.

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                        I agree. Story still sounds very plausible: marketing wonks in Burbank want to do something to DL. WDI is charged with doing this something. WDI will fire back (or already has) saying it's impossible in the time frame.

                        A POTC parade might be more feasible. That's what parades are for, to sell the latest great movie (see Lion King parade).

                        Also note that a whole park can be built a lot faster than changing a part of an already-built park. the fastest way to build TSI would be to drain the moat, stop the train service, demolish part of the berm, and have all construction traffic go through the northwest backlot. Some of that backlot, of course, might have to be altered, too.
                        While they're at it, might as well add on the Western River Expedition back there.

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                        • #13
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                          TMZ is paparatzi. Why would you believe anything they say?
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                            When the money is there, anything is possible. 7 months is is plenty of time. Remember, there are 24 hours in a day. And if Disney thinks that a POTC Island will bring in the guests like the 50th did, they'll spend the money. Not mention construction doesn't only take place in the park. While the river is being drained and the island is being demolished, new stuff can be built elsewhere.

                            Adding new trees isn't a problem at all. Valley Crest ( the company responsable for all the US Disney Park's landscaping, which the except of Disneyland Park I guess those are still Walt's guys) has groves of full grown trees of all shapes and sizes ready for purchase.

                            They're not designing a new park. They're doing a small land without any major attractions, really it's all scenery and a couple buildings.

                            Let's try a possible time table for everything.
                            Planning- I'm assuming that plans are already done
                            Draining the river- A week (I'm not sure, I think that seems generous)
                            Demo- I'm pretty sure the old fort and log cabin could be knocked down in a matter of hours how about another week of that clean up.
                            Construction of new store and restaurant (I'm guessing a simple set up like Stage Door) a couple months.
                            Trees- Foilage can be sectioned off and done when an area when ready

                            I dont see why you guys don't think it could be done that soon.

                            In the words of Mr. Disney
                            "Nothing is impossible, it's just implausible"

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                              I'm pretty sure that the river is engineered to drain within 2 days or less. Add a week for a good dry out and you've got a quick amount of time for crossing that hurdle. It's also safe to say that they have ways of spanning the river temporarily if need be for their equipment. Remember, the river is man-made with rails running through it for the boats. Knowing Disney, quick draining was thought of well in advance.

                              7 months is entirely feasible for a project like this (considering that politics and egos don't get in the way.) With the way things have been going on at the MouseHouse in regard to layoffs and firings, I can guarantee that WDI is going to do whatever the heck Burbank tells them to do and quick.

                              Of course, this thread is still all speculation until we see things happening 'over there.' Until then, let the debate rage over whether Disneyland is a museum or a constantly changing entertainment venue like Walt wanted.

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                                I truly do hope this is just that, a rumor that won't come to be. As much as I agree that change is good, I'm getting kind of tired of POTC. Not the ride, but just the attitude that because the movie broke box office records now that entire section of the park needs to be dedicated to it. When Titanic broke records you didn't see Universal or Six Flags install Titanic rides or shows. The subtle changes to the ride were great, I can understand the little street show, but to change an iconic attract such as TSI - uh, NO! Leave it alone! If anything just refirbish it a little, maybe add that snack shop, make it more wheelchair friendly, and stop with that. 'Nuf said! LOL

                                ...Joe...

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                                  God its amazing. OW DEAR GOD! THEY ARE GONNA CHANGE MY DISNEYLAND! Do you guys want it too stay the same forever? WALT DISNEY DID NOT MAKE A MUSEUM!!!! Progress is NEEDED. Without it, Disneyland would still have mule rides as an E-ticket and would of closed its doors long ago. Get over it. Progress is inevitable and needed. Just the thought of Disneyland NOT changing would make Walt turn in his grave.

                                  Its sad to see the "fans" have forgotten Walts own wishes. That the park be open too everyone, and that it would never be finished. Did you all forget about that?

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                                  • #18
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                                    The last thing I want to see Disneyland do is put together anything substantial in size in haste. It's tough enough lately for them to put out anything good with a lot of planning, let alone less than a year. I'd rather leave TSI as a peaceful park-type area than see it cluttered with more transparent, half-a$$ed, corporate garbage. Now this doesn't mean the island shouldn't have improvements (I think it should), but to all those people going on about the "Disneyland is not a museum" thing and the Walt quotes... Walt wouldn't have thrown anything together with insufficient planning and underwhelming inspiration either. And he definitely wouldn't have gone the corporate route.
                                    I doubt it will happen though. They pushed most improvement projects back over the past couple of years so I'm sure this will go that route if it even gets any green light.

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                                    • #19
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                                      TSI is an old man that really needs pass on. It used to have so many cool unique things about it, but things have changed since '55. Many of the original ideas have either been scrapped due to lawyers or practical issues.

                                      The fort was a must do when I was a kid! I have many a pictures of me shooting off a rifle at some injuns. However, I guess in the end it just wasn't safe. I wish it was still open or would reopen but that's not going to happen.

                                      Many a caves are closed. They were cool.

                                      A couple of the really cool bridges but are now roped off.

                                      No more fishing. Yes, the idea of live fishing is really cool. But really, who would want to carry a fish around all day. I can see why this idea was scratched.

                                      No more Boy Scout Camping. Back in the day, Boy Scouts were invited to camp overnight at TSI.

                                      But let's be honest! You get to TSI and what do you do? What can you do? You have a choice of walking around, going in a tree house, and viewing a bunch of cool things that you used to be able to do.

                                      I hope there is a change. Use it to soak up the crowds! A great piece of island property should not go unused to it's full potential.

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                                      • #20
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                                        7 months might be tight... but it is completely, 100% feasible. All of the waterways are designed to be quickly drainable. If it isn't going to be fast enough for them... they simply bring in an industrial pump or two (ala New Orleans post Katrina) and pump the sucker dry in a day. Drying it out doesn't matter so much as it is concrete and once the main water is gone... you can drive any equipment across that you want. Need to get stuff across while draining? Army Core of Engineers can build a bridge over that in about 3 hours.

                                        Total demolition of all buildings on the island wouldn't take more than a week. Build in waves. Start on one side of the island with demolition. Next area up the island is being prepped for demo. Once demo is complete, crew moves up to next area. Immediately crews come in to area just leveled and begin infrastructure work. Lay new water lines, electrical conduits, etc. Once next area demo'd... they move there and do their stuff there. Buliding crews move in to area just finished by infrastructure. Etc. That's how they build large buildings these days. Start on one side and work towards the other in waves. So as the demo crew is finishing, things are already nearing exterior completion on another part of the island.

                                        Just because we are hearing of this now from Al does not mean that plans and things have not been discussed for at least 3-4 months already up in Glendale/Burbank. Just because it hasn't been officially confirmed yet, does not mean that it isn't already in advanced planning and prepping for implementation. Doesn't mean that it is either though. But it is definitely doable in the timeframe.

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