Disney's Princesses

[iluvdisney01]

My friends and I were talking about expanding the princess sequence in Fantasmic! to include all the Disney princesses. And we had a discussion about Mulan. We both agreed that the following are princesses: Ariel, Belle, Aurora, Cinderella, Snow White, Jasmine and Pocahontas. What do you think about Mulan (or any other characters)?

Please don't comment on the Fantasmic! thing. Maybe we could have a thread on Fantasmic! changes

[Experiment626]

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I'll keep my mouth shut on your ideas about Fantasmic. As for the princesses...I think the true princesses would be: Aurora, Ariel, Jasmine, and Snow White.

Cinderella & Belle married princes, therefore became princesses by marriage. I don't remember Pocahontas or Mulan ever being princesses or marrying princes at all in their films.

Can't remember the name of the girl from Atlantis and whether or not she was a princess.

[Melonballer]

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Well Pocahontas was a princess (or the Native American evilvalent) of her people. Belle and CInderella were not born princesses, but they married into it and they count IMHO. I mean Princess Diana married into royalty and everyone considered her a princess (at least while she was married to Charles). I wouldn't consider Mulan a princess, not most of the other female characters. I thinkn the gal in Atlantis was named Kida or something. Also wasn't the female lead in the Black Cauldron a princess? Eliowny or something.

[Coheteboy]

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I'm kind of a boring purist and like Fantasmic just as it is. And it's not because I don't want more characters to appear in the show, it's just that the music is arranged so perfectly together. Shoehorning in other princesses and/or characters may ruin the show (florida's fantasmic).

[aerinpegadrak]

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The number I've heard for Disney princesses by birth is nine. There's Snow White, Aurora, Ariel, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Kida, and Elionwy (thanks, Melonballer, I'd forgotten her) for certain. I think if you count direct-to-video sequels, then Kiara and Melody round out the nine. Belle and Cinderella are royalty by marriage, though Cinderella is nobility by blood. Though Mulan marries a powerful and influential man (I think, I never saw Mulan II) and becomes pretty powerful and influential herself, she's not a princess. She's just marketed that way because she has a pretty dress and Disney wants to appeal to an Asian demographic.

[almandot]

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I still don't consider Pocahontas one heh. Daughter of their tribe's chief, ya. But I'll stop myself from calling her princess.

Oh and from the deleted scene in the little mermaid DVD, ursula was a princess at one time too. yay =D Put her in the princess faire and dress kids up like her ;P

[aerinpegadrak]

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Oh and from the deleted scene in the little mermaid DVD, ursula was a princess at one time too. yay =D Put her in the princess faire and dress kids up like her ;P

Well, unless Triton married into the royal family. Princess-in-law?

[Loomis]

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Also wasn't the female lead in the Black Cauldron a princess? Eliowny or something.

Eilonwy, and indeed she was. She is one of the many aspects of that film that has largely been forgotten by the Disney powers-that-be.

Strictly speaking, only those of royal connection are Disney princesses, but most of the people mentioned have wound up in a royal wedding by the film's end. However, from my own point of view, I tend to consider any female lead in a Disney 'fantasy' or animated film a 'princess' as far as the parades and merchandise goes.

Jasmine, Pocahontas and Mulan are examples of ones that don't fit the traditional western idea of the fairy tale princess, but I believe they have all come to be accepted as part of the Disney princess canon due partly to the success of the films (Aladdin, especially).

I'd also include Princess 'Kida' Kidagakash in the canon, but I'm also a huge fan of Atlantis and think it has been unfairly mistreated in and out of the parks alike.

[almandot]

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was bambi's mother a disney princess if his dad was the great prince of the forest?

[Aladdin]

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Now that Pixar is in the Disney Family,
add Princess Atta and Princess Dot to the list.

And of course, ALL of Ariel's sisters are princesses, too.

[Aladdin]

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Well, unless Triton married into the royal family. Princess-in-law?

Not exactly, assuming Ariel's mom, also King Triton's wife
passed away, and IF Triton married into royalty, he would not
actually be King, the Title of Queen would have been handed
down to her oldest child (Ariel's oldest sister)

For an example, just look at current British Royalty, Queen Elizabeth II
married Phillip, who became Prince, since he married into the family .
If Elizabeth passes away or hands down her crown, it does NOT go
to her Husband, it goes to Prince Charles.

So, King Triton did NOT marry into royalty ~ He was royalty by blood.

SO, since the dvd stated, King Triton and Ursula are brother and sister,
as long as they both had the same mom and dad, Ursula in fact would
have be a princess by blood.

[Witches of Morva]

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ORWEN: I could've been a princess too, you know--if only the animators of THE BLACK CAULDRON would've let me. Anyway, Princess Eilonwy is indeed a princess--and one of the sweetest I happen to know. It's too bad they don't allow her and Taran to roam the parks for meetings and greetings. (sigh)

[MonkeyDishwasher]

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I never saw a wedding between Belle and the Beast/Adam/Prince, so I don't believe that she's even married into royalty yet. Think about it. Cinderella had a wedding, and even Aladdin and Jasmine had one.

It had looked like Aladdin and Jasmine were married at the end of the first film, but then they weren't actually married until the third movie. This probably means the big celebration at the end of Aladdin I was a huge engagement party, which leads me to believe that when Belle and The Prince are dancing at the end of their film, it was an engagement party, not a wedding.

Besides, who wears YELLOW to their wedding?! Ew!

[Druggas]

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Don't forget this one. It's princess Joe Bob.

[aerinpegadrak]

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Not exactly, assuming Ariel's mom, also King Triton's wife
passed away, and IF Triton married into royalty, he would not
actually be King, the Title of Queen would have been handed
down to her oldest child (Ariel's oldest sister)

For an example, just look at current British Royalty, Queen Elizabeth II
married Phillip, who became Prince, since he married into the family .
If Elizabeth passes away or hands down her crown, it does NOT go
to her Husband, it goes to Prince Charles.

So, King Triton did NOT marry into royalty ~ He was royalty by blood.

SO, since the dvd stated, King Triton and Ursula are brother and sister,
as long as they both had the same mom and dad, Ursula in fact would
have be a princess by blood.

Not necessarily. Different monarchies work in different ways.

The way I see it, Triton could have married Ariel's mom, and when the previous King and Queen had passed away, they would have become the new King and Queen. Then, when Ariel's mom died, Triton would still be king either until his death or until one of his daughters came of age to take the throne. Since it looks like none of Ariel's sisters are married, Atlantica could be one of those monarchies that doesn't have ruling Queens, so one of the girls would have to get married before she could ascend the throne.

I think about this stuff way too much.

[Experiment626]

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so one of the girls would have to get married before she could ascend the throne.

So does that mean Ariel became the queen of the sea when she married Prince Eric?

[ssturgeo]

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Tiger Lily in Peter Pan, she was the chiefs daughter...but wasn't she referred to as a princess?

And, I think all the princesses should step aside and give due to the real queen of Disneyland....Tinkerbell!!! :>)

[Sadako]

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And, I think all the princesses should step aside and give due to the real queen of Disneyland....Tinkerbell!!! :>)

ACK! I'm really irked by the Tinkerbell overload. It's as bad as the Stitch overload at WDW.

Anyway... I've said it before and I'll say it again, Disney Marketing is missing out on the best addition they could make to the Princess line... PRINCESS MIA!

Disney does own the rights to 'The Princess Diaries' and they're just not using it as best they could. I realize she's live action and not animation, but that makes her even the more intriguing... What better Princess as a role model than a Real Princess who lives in modern day times and deals with modern day issues the same as any other kid??? It's not rocket science people!

[ssturgeo]

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Oh Sadako...you are right!! I loved those movies, and last November when we were there, my granddaughter (13 then) stayed in the Princess Diaries Suite at the DL Hotel for one night.

I guess Tink is more popular now...seems like when I wanted Tink stuff for my granddaughter it was hard to find...everything was princesses. I live in Indiana so am only at the park once or twice a year at the most. Counting down the days until Nov. 14th!!

[Disney Magic]

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Tiger Lily in Peter Pan, she was the chiefs daughter...but wasn't she referred to as a princess?

I always thought her name was..... Princess Tiger Lily