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    Lately, I have been looking at My Disneyland map, Disneyland pictures, , and you know that kind of stuff. As I was looking at pictures of Tom Sawyer Island, I wondered, " In what land does Tom Sawyer Island pertain too? ". I understand you need to go to New Orleans Square to get on the raft, to get there. But, What land does it pertain too? I always thought it was Frontierland, But I was never sure since you can see it from Frontierland, New Orleans Square, and Critter Country.
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    Frontierland.

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    • #3
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      also an important question to be asked when it comes to planning the new pirates/tsi thing..
      :ot: but it seems to me that they should just rename it "Pirates Island... and some other stuff that doesn't really fit into the theme".

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      • #4
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        The waterfront is all Frontierland.

        Also on a sort of related note, Davy Crocett Canoes' loading is in Crittery Country, not Frontierland.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by SpokkerJones View Post
          Frontierland.
          Correct. If you look at Frontierland and TSI. Its all orange, which is Frontierland.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by filmfreak11 View Post
            Also on a sort of related note, Davy Crocett Canoes' loading is in Crittery Country, not Frontierland.
            Correct. Same back when Critter Country was named "Bear Country."



            But of course going way back even before Bear Country...the canoes (pre-politically correct named "Indian War Canoes") were part of Frontierland.



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            • #7
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              It's all Frontierland.

              Theme Park Operations should stop differentiating between these smaller areas and Frontierland.

              The intention clearly was for New Orleans Square and Critter Country, or, before it, Bear Country, to merely expand Frontierland.

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                Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                It's all Frontierland.

                Theme Park Operations should stop differentiating between these smaller areas and Frontierland.

                The intention clearly was for New Orleans Square and Critter Country, or, before it, Bear Country, to merely expand Frontierland.

                I'm okay with it.

                Reasons why:

                -Splash Mountain takes place in stories that were told in the old south. Not the old west.

                -Winnie the Pooh and the hundred acre wood is not Frontierland either.

                -Pirates of the Caribbean is not Frontier.

                -Haunted Mansion could be Frontierland if the architecture was different... it could be a ghost town ride instead. But it's not.

                -All of New Orleans Square isn't "frontier" either.

                -etc etc


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                • #9
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                  TSI is definately Frontierland. Remember, when Disneyland was built, there was no NOS nor Critter Country/Bear Country. That area of the park was ALL Frontierland.

                  While NOS is often considered its own "land" it can also be accepted as an extension of Frontierland. While the pioneers and cowboys were out west prospectin' and explorin', more genteel folk lived in cities like New Orleans.

                  Splash Mountain and Critter country might represent what was going on in the Old South during the same era.

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                  • #10
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                    I say Frontierland.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                      It's all Frontierland.

                      Theme Park Operations should stop differentiating between these smaller areas and Frontierland.

                      The intention clearly was for New Orleans Square and Critter Country, or, before it, Bear Country, to merely expand Frontierland.
                      Hafta disagree on this one. While Critter Country is kind of a catch-all now, NOS is most definitely not part of Frontierland. If it could be considered an expansion of anything, it would seem more related to Adventureland, but I don't buy that, either. It's small, but very definitely its own land.
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                        Originally posted by DarkRider View Post
                        Hafta disagree on this one. While Critter Country is kind of a catch-all now, NOS is most definitely not part of Frontierland. If it could be considered an expansion of anything, it would seem more related to Adventureland, but I don't buy that, either. It's small, but very definitely its own land.
                        Why can't we all just say it's 'unincorporated land' and run by Frontierland.?????:lol:

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
                          Why can't we all just say it's 'unincorporated land' and run by Frontierland.?????:lol:
                          Oh, fine. Get the zoning board involved.
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                            i thought it was all in disneyLAND
                            OLM!!!
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                              Originally posted by audibleatom View Post
                              i thought it was all in disneyLAND
                              And you'd be correct!


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                                One of the reasons TSI fits so well into the area is because Huck Funn takes place on the Mississippi River which makes a believable part of NOS also.

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                                • #17
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                                  Missouri-land. Urban legend is that TSI was annexed by the state of Missouri.
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                                  • #18
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                                    Originally posted by Rapunzel View Post
                                    One of the reasons TSI fits so well into the area is because Huck Funn takes place on the Mississippi River which makes a believable part of NOS also.
                                    Speaking of...

                                    "Here French doors open onto balconies that overlook Disneyland's own muddy Mississippi, the Rivers of America."

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                                    • #19
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                                      Originally posted by Wally View Post
                                      Missouri-land. Urban legend is that TSI was annexed by the state of Missouri.
                                      It's not just legend but also fact.

                                      Walt Disney said that New Orleans Square depicted the port city when she was the gay Paris of the American frontier. Frontierland had an area devoted to the city of New Orleans when the realm opened to guests in 1955. The Disneyland Railroad station in New Orleans Square is called "Frontierland Station". In the 1980's, Tony Baxter felt that guests entering Bear Country were essentially reentering Frontierland. Davy Crockett, the king of the wild frontier, has his canoes in Critter Country. Henry, a country bear of the Country Bear Playhouse, used to sing Davy Crockett's theme song. Critter Country used to also feature a larger Indian village.

                                      Tony Baxter originally considered Critter Country as an extension of New Orleans Square, and both would have been referred to as "Dixieland" since both depict areas of the Old South.

                                      In "Dead Man's Chest", the screenwriters make a great point of the fact that the New World is being settled and that all the areas of the map are being filled in. Yet another frontier is closing.

                                      In the same way, "Pocahontas" takes place in Virginia, but the New World, itself, is a frontier.

                                      The Riverboat Mark Twain relates to the Rafts to Tom Sawyer's Island, which relates to the Rivers of America and the Mississippi, which empties into the Gulf of Mexico at New Orleans. Guests aboard the logs at Splash Mountain are able to view the Mark Twain on the river before they see another showboat, the "Zip A Dee Lady", in the finale.

                                      Each of the four cardinal realms of The Magic Kingdom are kept separate from each other, but New Orleans Square and Critter Country are open to the rest of Frontierland. The creators originally intended that these areas be considered part of something much greater, and this distinction is important because people like Pressler and Harriss will try to put more things like Winnie the Pooh there, as well as neon and contemporary New Orleans music. Disney has an ample supply of clueless executives, and they need clarity and definition in order to not make similar mistakes.

                                      Creatively-speaking, the distinction is also important because Disneyland should not appear to be attempting to recreate New Orleans as she exists today. And, just because something is named "Frontierland" does not mean that the place should be limited to the Old West. Frontierland needs to encompass everything that "frontier" means in the same way that Adventureland and Fantasyland, for example, feature locales and styles from around the world and across time. Adventureland places Arabian minarets next to tiki torches. Fantasyland places English manors next to Bavarian clocks. And, both realms are enhanced by this pastiche where the more abstract themes of adventure and fantasy connect the various elements.
                                      Last edited by PragmaticIdealist; 12-19-2006, 11:20 PM.

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                                        Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                                        Creatively-speaking, the distinction is also important because Disneyland should not appear to be attempting to recreate New Orleans as she exists today. And, just because something is named "Frontierland" does not mean that place is limited to the Old West. Frontierland needs to encompass everything that "frontier" means in the same way that Adventureland and Fantasyland, for example, feature locales and styles from around the world and across time. Adventureland places Arabian minarets next to tiki torches. Fantasyland places English manors next to Bavarian clocks. And, both realms are enhanced by this pastiche where the more abstract theme connects the various elements.
                                        So with that way of thinking, would a Star Trek attraction fit in Frontierland? You know... as in Space: The Final Frontier?

                                        And the obvious answer would be "no, of course not! that's not a disney property!"

                                        Frontierland of course should encompass more than one genre like I earlier suggested, but I think the architecture, music, attractions of the land are very specific that it represents the old west more than anything else. The idea changes gears the closer you get to the water and New Orleans Square, but that's just the beauty of how well the themes are blended at Disneyland.


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