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    OK what do you guys think of giving up on dreams of Submarines and AtomMobiles coming back from Yesterland, and instead putting Imagineers to work designing a new land at Disneyland based on the upcoming movie "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" (based on the Chronicles of Narnia by CS Lewis.) The movie looks to be Harry Potter huge. I'm thinking the back of the Rivers of America in place of Big Thunder Ranch and outside the berm like Toontown and Critter Country would be a great area to develop.

    Maybe you could even walk from Fantasyland through "Narnia" to get to Critter Country without having to walk around the Rivers of America through Frontierland and NOS.

    Anyways for those of you who like this idea, what sort of E ticket would you build, for those familiar with the story... I'm just getting the idea out there. Like Califia, the spirit of CA hehe. Silver's nice, Ruby's better. That's all I'm sayin' folks. Some of you diehards won't like the idea of scrapping Subs for something NEW but that's my suggestion.

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    I think that Narnia is Blue Sky for Animal Kingdom and Abarat was Blue Sky for Disneyland (although now that Subs are coming back that is probably not going to happen).

    But it really is an interesting thought. Narnia would make a great land somewhere.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dustysage
      I think that Narnia is Blue Sky for Animal Kingdom and Abarat was Blue Sky for Disneyland (although now that Subs are coming back that is probably not going to happen).

      But it really is an interesting thought. Narnia would make a great land somewhere.
      Q: Are the subs REALLY coming back or will they get mothballed again, my guess. And I would like to see them moving around the pond again, I just wouldn't want to get IN one again as I recall they smelled and were uncomfortable slow and the show was boring. As a tiny kid they may have seemed exciting but not once I was old enough to realize you don't go underwater.

      Q2: What's Abarat ? ? ?

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      • #4
        Sounds like Nemo is on his way. But you never know.

        Abarat is the awesome new series of books from Clive Barker about a young girl who is transported away to a alter world of strange islands. Disney bought the rights to the books and movies. I really enjoyed the first book, and the second has just come out. You should give it a read.
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        • #5
          from what I hear subs is pretty close to getting the final greenlight but yeah

          and honestly I can't see Narnia actualy meshing well with the actual theme of Disneyland but that' might just be me (it might mesh well with AK but yeah)
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jspider
            from what I hear subs is pretty close to getting the final greenlight but yeah

            and honestly I can't see Narnia actualy meshing well with the actual theme of Disneyland but that' might just be me (it might mesh well with AK but yeah)

            I can't see it meshing well as a whole land either. An attraction in DCA maybe, but a land in Disneyland just doesn't make sense...





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            • #7
              I just think it's time that another mountain rises at Disneyland. If the Matterhorn can fit into FL/TL, surely Narnia can mesh with Fantasyland... Frontierland next door is pretty diff themeatically as are all the lands that are tied together. I see no problem building the Volcano from TDS or ExEv from Animal Kingdom in Disneyland park. But Disneyland needs its own thing for a change, something really different from the other offerings and that's why this new property / cast of characters seems like a great fit for the park, to cure its drain of creativity and make it a unique destination for East Coast visitors again.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer
                I just think it's time that another mountain rises at Disneyland. If the Matterhorn can fit into FL/TL, surely Narnia can mesh with Fantasyland... Frontierland next door is pretty diff themeatically as are all the lands that are tied together. I see no problem building the Volcano from TDS or ExEv from Animal Kingdom in Disneyland park. But Disneyland needs its own thing for a change, something really different from the other offerings and that's why this new property / cast of characters seems like a great fit for the park, to cure its drain of creativity and make it a unique destination for East Coast visitors again.
                it's not meant to draw in east coasters

                I would settle for it actualy drawing in the West coast

                I'm up here in washington and all I get are Disneyworld adds dispite the fact that I'd have much more money to spend buying their crud if I actualy went to Disneyland instead (seriously I'd be packing food and an ice cooler if I went to Disneyworld no way I could afford all of that AND travel at this point)

                the Volcano from TDS wouldn't fit in Frontierland at all really I can't see it matching the theme or the visuals the Volcano is the symbol for TDS (I'm not sure what to liken it to, building the Epcot Sphere in Tomorrowland, building Cinderellas castle behind sleeping Beauty's so you can have a new princess resturant?)

                I don't see how using more characters (that this time don't really fit the feel) would fix Disney's creative problem, Narnia would feel good in AK were they were already planning on having a mythological section but I can't see how it would FEEL in Fantasyland (I don't think Harry Poter or LoTR match either and both of those fit under fantasy)

                Disneyland at this point isn't starving for another mountain though I admit it would be pretty nice (I'd actualy enjoy it if they went about updating all of the technology in the old darkrides in fantasyland to meet a new standard)
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                • #9
                  here's something: How about Disney come up with a ride NOT tied into a movie or something else marketed? Example: POTC, HM, IASW are prime examples that come to mind.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Orcatime
                    here's something: How about Disney come up with a ride NOT tied into a movie or something else marketed? Example: POTC, HM, IASW are prime examples that come to mind.
                    Here Here!

                    Any moron can grab some idea from a movie and build a shrine to it, and apparently many have. (pooh) What is lacking is the fun, creative, originality that went into those above examples.

                    I will have to admit that I like what they did with Indy...





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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer
                      OK what do you guys think of giving up on dreams of Submarines and AtomMobiles coming back from Yesterland

                      No!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy

                        No!

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                        • #13
                          I'm just throwing this out here, I haven't heard how much the movie might stray from the books, but at the time I read them it seemed like the religious overtones were pretty loud.

                          I'm wondering if Disney would think it a wise move politically.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mara
                            I'm just throwing this out here, I haven't heard how much the movie might stray from the books, but at the time I read them it seemed like the religious overtones were pretty loud.

                            I'm wondering if Disney would think it a wise move politically.
                            who knows

                            but didn't Lord of The Rings do better BECAUSE it didn't try to stray from the books much :confused: I think Disney would be wise to do the same thing

                            (yes I believe CS Lewis was a Christian and he was also friends with Tolkien?)

                            edit: thanks Dr. Indy I corrected the name
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                            • #15
                              Narnia at DL=the fall of human imagination

                              hence the end of DL.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Jspider
                                  who knows

                                  but didn't Lord of The Rings do better BECAUSE it didn't try to stray from the books much :confused: I think Disney would be wise to do the same thing

                                  (yes I believe CS Louis was a Christian and he was also friends with Tolkien?)
                                  Sorry to correct, but its CS Lewis.

                                  I want to mention that is was Tolkien who led Lewis to the Christian faith. Both men believed very strongly and used many Christian parallels in their writings (though Lewis wrote more books on Christianity than Tolkien wrote). Narnia and Middle Earth are nothing more than allegories relaying Christian ideas and principles.
                                  In short, one cannot remove religious overtones from Narnia without it becoming something quite different. Something that Lewis' stepson (who is in charge of the film) would never allow.


                                  As to the idea of a land. I'm not sure it would work at DL, but it might work at AK. Its a bit of a stretch, but talking animals in a fantasy area of the park just might fit the bill.
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                                  • #18
                                    Why does this whole thing seem so closely tied to what Kevin (Yee) has been saying about the decline of Disneyland? I mean, I would love to experience the world of Narnia in a theme-park (Christianity rocks!), but it would require knowledge of outside source material. Personally, I'd be more interested in something like Geyser Mountain than something based on another Disney property. But hey, that's just my opinion.

                                    Of course as much as I enjoyed the Abarat books (it's about time he came out with the 2nd one, that took forever), I wouldn't even want to see THAT in a theme park. I think it's much more suited for books and movie theatres. Of course that also ties into the fact that it's a Clive Barker book and features vivid imagery.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by DrIndianaJones
                                      Sorry to correct, but its CS Lewis.

                                      I want to mention that is was Tolkien who led Lewis to the Christian faith. Both men believed very strongly and used many Christian parallels in their writings (though Lewis wrote more books on Christianity than Tolkien wrote). Narnia and Middle Earth are nothing more than allegories relaying Christian ideas and principles.
                                      In short, one cannot remove religious overtones from Narnia without it becoming something quite different. Something that Lewis' stepson (who is in charge of the film) would never allow.


                                      As to the idea of a land. I'm not sure it would work at DL, but it might work at AK. Its a bit of a stretch, but talking animals in a fantasy area of the park just might fit the bill.
                                      Respecting your allegory comment... while it may be true that the Narnia novels were such (and CS Lewis was a very prolific writer on Christianity following his conversion from atheism), "The Lord of the Rings" could hardly be classified as such. As a matter of fact, Dr. Tolkien loathed the idea of his works being considered as allegorical in any respect. While someone with religious leanings might be tempted to characterize certain themes in the works as indicative of Christian tenets and virtues, that was not Tolkien's intent, and throughout the books there are no direct references to any kind of religious observances (though, as you allude to, Tolkien was himself a devoted Catholic throughout his life). About the only thing that stands out in that regard to me was the brief mourning scene of Boromir by Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli following Boromir's demise. The writing concerning Middle Earth that does show some semblance of theological groundings is contained in "The Silmarillion" which, among other things, explains Middle Earth's creation myth and the fall of Morgoth through covetousness into evil, similar to the fall of Satan common to the Abraham-centric theologies.

                                      I know we're here to talk Disney, but I just wanted to straighten that point out. Thank you for indulging me, and let me add that I agree with Kevin Yee's article discussing the lack of original inspiration on the part of the current Disney creative folks who cannot seem to come up with many original ideas outside of a film property. This thread unfortunately drives that point home.
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                                      • #20
                                        Adding to the Lord of the Rings discussion is the fact that Disney Via Miramax turned down Pete Jackson and only wanted to make one movie. (Christian allegories aside that was one of the dumbest moves in recent years) It took New Line (Time Warner) to make middle-earth happen. With Tolkien's property sitting out there, fullydeveloped already, don't you think WDCo would do better importing TLOTR's? (Like they have done with Lucasflms)

                                        Sure like thats gonna happen..

                                        Ah the brilliance and imagination that is Disney Managment. And some of you belive they will build a new land around a new tentpole movie? They won't part with the cash even to make one Narnia film without Walden Media taking most of the risk. Look for Narnia to only slightly be better than Around the world in 80 days. I'll be pleasantly surprised if not.

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                                        Last edited by Jeff In Orange County; 02-12-2005, 10:04 AM.
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