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  • What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

    There are plenty of threads talking about is coming up and what is ahead for DCA, and all the wonderful and great plans to fix the park.

    But why do they need to fix the place?

    Let's look at some of the comments in the news article from this morning...

    Let's start with the Wall Street Journal article.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119257768823361264.html


    Since its 2001 debut, the Walt Disney Co. theme park Disney's California Adventure has floundered in the shadow of its legendary neighbor, Disneyland....
    Floundered..... That is an interesting choice of words.


    California Adventure has been criticized as lacking Disney's trademark creative spark. The California theme has fallen flat with visitors from the western U.S., who make up the bulk of attendance.
    Gee, haven't folks talked about how bad the California theme was since it was announced?


    Jay Rasulo, who inherited California Adventure when he became president of the parks in 2002, says the park has had some success in extending the time visitors spend at the resort as a whole and does have some popular rides. But he concedes: "Guests have told us that when they stand in California Adventure, they don't have an emotional connection to it."
    Gee, it sounds like the Guests have spoken, and the surveys say... DCA is a dud, and this from an official spokesperson of the Walt Disney Company.


    Several of Disney's efforts in recent years have had teething problems that forced Disney to spend big money on efforts to fix them, raising questions about Disney's theme-park strategy. New Disney parks in Paris and Hong Kong -- seen as too small and lacking insight into the cultures they serve -- have needed big additional investments after initially drawing slim crowds.
    Gee, haven't a lot of folks said, you need to spend money to make money, aka build QUALITY first. Nobody expected DCA to be as big or offer as many rides as Disneyland when it opened, but they expect something new and better, and only one attraction, Soarin' delivered that, but with an awful queue.


    Even so, California Adventure has had special problems. On a recent afternoon at the Disneyland Resort, 18-year-old season-pass holder Megan White made a standard complaint: "Disneyland is a magical place, but California Adventure is just a theme park you can get anywhere." Ms. White, of Valencia, Calif., adds she spends most of her visits at Disneyland, only entering California Adventure for one or two rides because it has "no imagination."
    Another long repeated comment on the boards, somewhat related to the prior comment.

    More to come...
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    Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

    Now the LA Times article...

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...la-home-center


    The struggling park, which sits in Disneyland's shadow, was a disappointment from the start, failing to draw the crowds the company had anticipated.
    A Disappointment from the start, that is what we have been talking about since day 1, but some folks on the boards claimed otherwise. Looks like today's announcement wll finally end the debate that DCA has been a disappointment, or as Roy Disney called it, a Failure.


    "I love it but not in the same way as Disneyland," said Taylor Rockwell, a visual-effects production assistant who is an annual Disneyland Resort pass holder. "They tried to work the California angle but it wasn't successful. What is there now just isn't up to Disneyland standards."
    As mentioned in the post above, nobody expected the same size or amount of rides when DCA opened, but they did expect that the park would match (or be better) the standards Disneyland has set.
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    • #3
      Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

      Why are you harping on the negative?

      You have posted similar articles over, and over, and over again trying to validate your opinions regarding the park. It's a neverending torrent of negativity with you and it's getting to be a tad ridiculous.

      Even with the promise of new and exciting changes coming to the resort, you start yet ANOTHER thread focusing on the negative aspects, trying to get people to say that you were right.

      Stop fishing for validation, you're embarassing yourself.

      *edit: Mods, can this be merged with one of the MANY other DCA bashing threads that contain the same info?

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      • #4
        Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

        Old info posted again for our enjoyment???

        Must be running out of things to take pictures of...

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        • #5
          Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

          To what does "FTW" refer?

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by PirateMickey View Post
            Old info posted again for our enjoyment???

            Must be running out of things to take pictures of...
            Both of these articles were published today.

            How is this "old info."?

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            • #7
              Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

              ahem....For The Win.

              I choose to focus on the positive aspects of the park and the resort. With the massive changes and additions coming to the park (which I already thoroughly enjoy) I find it shocking that some people are STILL looking towards the past, and stating over and over again their opinions on attractions and theming that are on their way out.

              It is a testament to the mindset and negative bias that accompanies a person when they are critiquing the resort.

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              • #8
                Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                Originally posted by Darkbeer View Post

                A Disappointment from the start, that is what we have been talking about since day 1, but some folks on the boards claimed otherwise. Looks like today's announcement wll finally end the debate that DCA has been a disappointment, or as Roy Disney called it, a Failure.

                I don't know if that was the debate or not... Just whether or not it was universally hated.

                Just IMO anyway
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                • #9
                  Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                  Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                  Both of these articles were published today.

                  How is this "old info."?
                  First of all, it's info that has been state in one form or another hundreds of times, from dozens of sources for years.

                  Second, I've read the same articles three times without even leaving this site. They are being discussed in other threads as we speak, and this thread is simply redundant.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                    Originally posted by Junthor View Post
                    I don't know if that was the debate or not... Just whether or not it was universally hated.

                    Just IMO anyway
                    Exactly. I love the park in it's current form. So does my family, and so do my friends. Until I clicked into this site, I was unaware that so many people had such vicious and nasty opinions regarding something that thousands of people love.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                      Originally posted by DCAFTW View Post
                      *edit: Mods, can this be merged with one of the MANY other DCA bashing threads that contain the same info?
                      When DarkBeer is caught taking a baseball bat to the Golden Gate Bridge at the entrance, then you can say that he is bashing D.C.A.

                      Until that time, he's just offering an opinion that happens to be represented in a very public way through The Wall Street Journal and the L.A. Times.

                      If anyone is embarrassing himself, I'd say it's you. You seem especially sensitive to the criticism D.C.A. receives.

                      I assume that you have some sort of interest in seeing D.C.A. succeed since you are placing metaphorical bets on it. But, I'd wager that you've lost with this news since this $1.1 billion capital investment reflects the failures of key people responsible for the creation of the park.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                        Watching the KTLA Morning News...

                        Sam Rubin called DCA a "Dud"

                        Frank Buckley, one of the Anchors says he finished DCA in about an hour and a half...

                        And here is what Hugh Hewitt said over at TownHall.com


                        http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/71a27f55-9a81-40b7-af9d-80c25b50ecc3


                        Disney is admitting that its Anaheim "California Adventure" is a flop.
                        Amazing stuff coming out in the media today...

                        O/T, but funny. The KTLA reporter that was doing a live report from Anaheim (Across the street from the Timon Parking lot entrance on Harbor), talked about the "Pie Ride".

                        She was talking about Knott's Bear-y Tales which was open from 1975 to 1986.
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                        • #13
                          Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                          Originally posted by DCAFTW View Post
                          ahem....For The Win.

                          I choose to focus on the positive aspects of the park and the resort. With the massive changes and additions coming to the park (which I already thoroughly enjoy) I find it shocking that some people are STILL looking towards the past, and stating over and over again their opinions on attractions and theming that are on their way out.

                          It is a testament to the mindset and negative bias that accompanies a person when they are critiquing the resort.
                          Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. This is big in that Disney is acknowledging the past. No excuses about poor tourism or this being the plan all along.

                          Originally posted by DCAFTW View Post
                          Exactly. I love the park in it's current form. So does my family, and so do my friends. Until I clicked into this site, I was unaware that so many people had such vicious and nasty opinions regarding something that thousands of people love.
                          Thousands of people may very well love the park. The park (and its two sisters in Paris and Hong Kong) falls short of the love displayed for the other Disney parks.

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                          • #14
                            Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                            *Correction - The failure according to people who are trying to make money off the park.

                            Maybe you should try reading my posts, instead of infering your own conclusions. The point is that this has already been stated over and over again. These quotes and articles are active in several other threads on this site, and it was unnecessary for this thread to be started in the first place. This is typical behavior from a person who is unrelenting in his attempt to reinforce his opinions on this matter, no matter how redundant it has become. My opinions towards the park have little baring on my opinions regarding redundant sycophantic ranting.

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                              Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                              Originally posted by DCAFTW View Post
                              ahem....For The Win.

                              I choose to focus on the positive aspects of the park and the resort. With the massive changes and additions coming to the park (which I already thoroughly enjoy) I find it shocking that some people are STILL looking towards the past, and stating over and over again their opinions on attractions and theming that are on their way out.

                              It is a testament to the mindset and negative bias that accompanies a person when they are critiquing the resort.
                              Along that same line, it annoys me how critics of DCA find it necessary to gloat and say "I told you so" now that Disney has acknowledged DCA failed to meet expectations. It's arrogant and self-serving and doesn't add anything of substance to DCA discussions. Yes, DCA pales in comparison to Disneyland--what theme park doesn't? DCA has its flaws, but I've always enjoyed it on its own terms, not as a side-by-side comparison to Disneyland.

                              Disney is investing $1 billion+ to enhance and improve DCA. They're doing it to create better guest experiences, raise standards and raise attendance. Bravo! They're not doing it to validate the arguments of DCA's critics.
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                              • #16
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                                Exactly!

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                                • #17
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                                  Originally posted by DCAFTW View Post
                                  Exactly. I love the park in it's current form. So does my family, and so do my friends. Until I clicked into this site, I was unaware that so many people had such vicious and nasty opinions regarding something that thousands of people love.
                                  Um, that is the problem with DCA. One doesn't create a park in the hopes that "thousands" love it.

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                                    Originally posted by DCAFTW View Post
                                    *Correction - The failure according to people who are trying to make money off the park.

                                    Maybe you should try reading my posts, instead of infering your own conclusions. The point is that this has already been stated over and over again. These quotes and articles are active in several other threads on this site, and it was unnecessary for this thread to be started in the first place. This is typical behavior from a person who is unrelenting in his attempt to reinforce his opinions on this matter, no matter how redundant it has become. My opinions towards the park have little baring on my opinions regarding redundant sycophantic ranting.

                                    I can't resist pointing out the irony. Mulitiple posts from you in this thread saying over and over how annoying and redundant it is when somebody says the same thing over and over.

                                    I don't find this thread redundant. It's focusing on a specific aspect of the new DCA related news pieces. Other threads are focusing on other aspects. Of course, ultimately, it's up to the mods .
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                                    • #19
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                                      Originally posted by disneytim View Post
                                      ...
                                      Disney is investing $1 billion+ to enhance and improve DCA. They're doing it to create better guest experiences, raise standards and raise attendance. Bravo! They're not doing it to validate the arguments of DCA's critics.

                                      Well said sir...well said. I see this announcement as a sigh of relief that Disney has put aside their pride and felt that their guests are what is most important. Just be happy that they announced it and actually moving forward with it.
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                                      • #20
                                        Re: What the news articles are saying about the DCA of TODAY (2001-2007)

                                        Ya know, I was being vague since I don't have actual numbers to support my belief that MILLIONS of people love the park. Although since 6 million people visited the park last year, I guess it's feasible to say that at least 30% of the people would say they "love" the park.

                                        However I try not to make statements of fact without hard evidence. Something that may be lost on some of the posters of this board.

                                        However in the spirit of this thread, I change my previous post and substitute
                                        MILLIONS.

                                        Thank you for your feedback.

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