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**Darkbeer** · 10-18-2007, 10:25 PM

Re: Lack of San Fransisco at DCA

How about San Diego, where California STARTED????

**DisneyIPresume** · 10-18-2007, 11:05 PM

Re: Lack of San Fransisco at DCA

That is right, DB.

The further south you are in California generally the further back you can go in California history. The southern part of the state was explored and the missions were founded prior to the northern part of the state. As a matter of interest, the oldest building in the state of California is just 30 miles away from Disneyland -- the Serra Chapel at Mission San Juan Capistrano.

It just appears that San Francisco and Sacramento goes further back because they were much more influential during the days of the Gold Rush, and these cities were well established during this time as compared to the sleepy towns of Southern California.

End of history lesson...

**filmfreak11** · 10-19-2007, 07:05 AM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

I think TLM should be moved to Pizza Oom Mow Mow and the area (backstage & driveway) behind it. The show building would help block the sightline of parade watchers looking past the parade guests into backstage. Then the Golden Dreams and Route 66 and possibly Mulholland Madness make way for a San Fran District... They should probably call this an extention of "The Golden State", which it probably is. I hear Pixar wants to make a picture about the Great San Francisco Earthquake...

I was hoping a new San Fran District would be more cultural because of the many immigrants far and wide who come to CA. Like replacing TGD into a mix of Tokyo DisneySea's TLM show and CircleVision. Basically a show featuring specific countries every so often. I wanted to call it "Palace of Cultural Arts". Then the San Fran houses proposed for a Preview Center be a "gift shop" of the art & culture of the feature country. Then Route 66 be an International Street... expanding on the idea of "Chinatowns", "Little Italy", etc.

But perhaps others would prefer a Mulan dark ride attraction in TGD with a Chinatown facade with Palace of Fine Arts as the exit.

There's also "The Cliffhouse" restaurant idea. Maybe not at the water's edge since Disney may want to have more views open for World of Color. But if possible, this "international eatry" could go around the Route 66. This would provide a nice view of the show while dining. And I always wanted a lighthouse to replace the Golden Zephyler location designed to look like the one in "Pete's Dragon". Then the rocks between the lighthouse & water look like CA's state whale & create a "natural" blowhole that splashes water. I know there's a rumor for this lighthouse, and would be neat not to only have it as control tower for World of Color, but for hte light to be part of the show.

I know some wanted a gentle boat cruise around the lagoon, perhaps a dock could be made for the San Fran district instead of Paradise Pier.

Would also like to see more streetmosphere performers. Ala jugglers, artists, etc.

Would also enjoy a water ride in Pacific Wharf. Probably combine the old Cookie Factory & Treasures in Paradise shop. An old fisherman tells nautical tales to your passing dingy that gets whisked away into those very stories. Maybe a splashdown in the wharf's water.

And a play area on a ship and loading dock similar to Tokyo DisneySea's ship & dock play area. Would love to hear "Whale of a Tale" played here.

**ROBONICS95** · 10-19-2007, 07:09 AM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Originally posted by Mtsplash View Post

San Fransisco is a very important part of California, and I think it is highly underrepresented at DCA.

While I agree, it has been rumored that the name may be changing and possibly the overall theme.

So the 'California' argument may not hold any ground in 4 or 5 years.

**Mtsplash** · 10-19-2007, 07:52 AM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Originally posted by Darkbeer View Post

How about San Diego, where California STARTED????

True but SF is very iconic towards california. If people think about california I'm sure SF is one of the things that comes to mind (Hollywood, DL, SF,.... in no order)
And after the parks refurb there will be no golden gate bridge (something that is often associated with California).

Originally posted by ROBONICS95 View Post

While I agree, it has been rumored that the name may be changing and possibly the overall theme.

So the 'California' argument may not hold any ground in 4 or 5 years.

You're right. I've had this idea for a while so I thought, what better time.

**filmfreak11** · 10-19-2007, 10:44 AM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Originally posted by ROBONICS95 View Post

While I agree, it has been rumored that the name may be changing and possibly the overall theme.

So the 'California' argument may not hold any ground in 4 or 5 years.

Hmmm... good point. It's nice right now to have a forest, water, (soon to be) desert, farm/agriculture/valley, and hollywood areas. Where exactly does San Fran fit... I've been asking myself that for a while now.

**animagusurreal** · 10-19-2007, 11:14 AM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

I think a well-done San Francisco area with some sort of anchoring related E-ticket attraction has the potential to become to NOS of DCA. San Francisco definitely has a distinctive, romanticized place in the American consciousness, much the way that Hollywood and New Orleans do - even for people who have never been there, or who have very seldom been there (me). San Diego may be a great city, but I don't think it has that same kind of distinction to the general public. (My own hometown, Santa Maria, definitely doesn't

).

They at least need to put something - shops, snack counters, anything! - in that dead San Francisco street. It's actually pretty well-themed, but because there's not really anything there it just screams "fake facade!" instead of "bustling metropolis!"

From the artist rendering of the Little Mermaid ride exterior (which I've seen floating around in a few threads) it looks to me like it will be a perfect visual transition between San Francisco and Paradise Pier.

**filmfreak11** · 10-20-2007, 05:16 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

After thinking more about the previous quote I commented here, I'm losing my faith in the San Francisco theme for DCA. What it is now seems more like a transition from Grizzly to PP/Pacific Wharf. And it's true, if and when Disney decides to rename DCA, SF would play a factor if it stands out a lot. The Los Angeles/Hollywood theme is very established yet is concentrated around the "Hollywood & LA" meteropolition (sp) city but would most likely not affect a park name change. And also esp. with the "Walt Disney backstory" the imagineers are giving it. Hope that made some sense.

**JeffYardDog** · 10-20-2007, 05:26 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Let those quiche eaters get their own park.

**k_peek_2000** · 10-20-2007, 07:09 PM

Re: Lack of San Fransisco at DCA

Originally posted by Darkbeer View Post

How about San Diego, where California STARTED????

Nahhh

**Datameister** · 10-20-2007, 07:18 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

I lived within an hour's drive from SF for the better part of two decades, and I can honestly say I'm not too tortured over the lack of SF elements in DCA. That city has some very pretty areas, but a lot of it is dirty and crowded and unpleasant. Not to mention the attitude most San Francisco radio personalities take, which basically ignores the existence of the rest of the Bay Area...

**DisneyChrisDotCom** · 10-20-2007, 07:19 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

I absolutely believe that the park needs a San Fransisco area, with a major attraction devoted to the lure and history of the famous and often romatasized city. But I also feel that the park lacks a section devoted to the Spanish herritage of California, and this could be resolved by including a section devoted to the city of San Diego, harkening back to the mission era. Without both of these, the park is not covering the full spectrum of the California story.

**Matterhorn Boy** · 10-20-2007, 07:49 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

While it would obviously be an expensive undertaking, the only logical choice to me to integrate San Francisco into the park would be to convert the Pacific Wharf and Flik's Fun Fair area into Discovery Bay. Imagine the view of a San Francisco Harbor of the 1860's going all the way down to Paradise Pier.

Of course, the "Cars Land" area throws a wrench into that. Disney should be looking at the forgotten concepts of imagineerings past, not trying to squeeze every dollar out of unproven franchises.

**DisneyChrisDotCom** · 10-20-2007, 07:55 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Originally posted by Matterhorn Boy View Post

While it would obviously be an expensive undertaking, the only logical choice to me to integrate San Francisco into the park would be to convert the Pacific Wharf and Flik's Fun Fair area into Discovery Bay. Imagine the view of a San Francisco Harbor of the 1860's going all the way down to Paradise Pier.

Of course, the "Cars Land" area throws a wrench into that. Disney should be looking at the forgotten concepts of imagineerings past, not trying to squeeze every dollar out of unproven franchises.

We are of one mind Matterhorn boy. Iee with everything you just said 100%

**DisneyChrisDotCom** · 10-20-2007, 07:55 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Originally posted by Matterhorn Boy View Post

While it would obviously be an expensive undertaking, the only logical choice to me to integrate San Francisco into the park would be to convert the Pacific Wharf and Flik's Fun Fair area into Discovery Bay. Imagine the view of a San Francisco Harbor of the 1860's going all the way down to Paradise Pier.

Of course, the "Cars Land" area throws a wrench into that. Disney should be looking at the forgotten concepts of imagineerings past, not trying to squeeze every dollar out of unproven franchises.

agree

**Flickering Bulb** · 10-20-2007, 08:15 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

i always thought that a great way to sneak a ride in a SF area would emphasize the whole earthquake thing by creating some kind of "fault line." you travel in the fault line and travel waayyy down to...Journey to the Center of the Earth. ok, so it's my selfish excuse to ride it, i think it looks pretty cool. but yeah yeah, we'd get those "another recycled-blah blah!" :croll:

**GhostHostJeff** · 10-20-2007, 08:35 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

I believe that San Francisco has very little presence in DCA, and I would love to see more. SF is very important to California, especially during the guilded age when SF was the one of the only major citys on the west coast. I think the city has enough rich history to add more of it to DCA, and possibly put some sort of restaruant or attraction.

**Wotan** · 10-20-2007, 08:51 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Well, they could do the Maliboomer to make it look like Coit Tower...add a cable car to the vehicles running through the park..and have cast members portray those charming "street people" you find south of Mission, albeit without the accompanying smells. I bet that Haight or Castro wouldn't fit the Disney ideal, however.

Another great way to represent San Francisco would be to rename the entrance routes to the parking areas 80, 101, 1, 880 and 580. That way, when people sit in traffic, it'd be just like being there!

**GhostHostJeff** · 10-20-2007, 08:58 PM

Re: Lack of San Francisco at DCA

Originally posted by Wotan View Post

Well, they could do the Maliboomer to make it look like Coit Tower...add a cable car to the vehicles running through the park..and have cast members portray those charming "street people" you find south of Mission, albeit without the accompanying smells. I bet that Haight or Castro wouldn't fit the Disney ideal, however.

Another great way to represent San Francisco would be to rename the entrance routes to the parking areas 80, 101, 1, 880 and 580. That way, when people sit in traffic, it'd be just like being there!

HAHA! God I love Castro. Thats where the party is haha. Sorry I just moved here since August.

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