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  • PhotoMatt
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    Re: LA Times: A sinking feeling on 'Small World'

    Originally posted by aashee View Post
    But the minute Disney come out with a statement saying "Small world is closed for a year because people are too fat!" it's national news.
    Even though Disney did not make that statement, it is now national news. AP picked up the story and MSNBC has it on their front page. Here's a link - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21713571/

    Hooray for miceage.com! I guess their server is gonna get a few more hits than usual.


    On another health related note, back in the early 90's, before Eisner went over to the dark side, he pushed HEAVILY for healthier foods at the parks. I loved the turkey burgers they used to serve at Merriweather's (sp?) Market in Pleasure Island back in the early 90's. If you look now that restaurant and the turkey burger no longer exist. I am pretty sure they got rid of them because they did not sell. The point is, they tried. And, to a lesser extent, they still try. But the restaurants that have the longest lines seem to be the ones selling the least healthy foods. It was just a random thought that came up just now, and I wanted to write it down.
    Last edited by PhotoMatt; 11-10-2007, 06:09 PM.

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  • techskip
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    I would love to read the article in it's entirety but I do not have a NY Time subscription... can someone please quote the whole article, or email it to me. thank you.

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  • pineapplewhipaddict
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    I don't think Disney would dare declare that people are too fat.

    ...somebody needs to say it, though.

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  • adormouse
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    Wow I just read that article. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :/

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  • techskip
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    Originally posted by Darkbeer View Post
    What I have a problem is that the Disneyland Spokesperson(s) in the NY Times (last week) and now in the LA Times basically claim Al Lutz is lying.

    And that is NOT the case.

    Is it the ONLY reason why "iasw" is closing? The answer to that is clear... NO, it is an older ride and needs things to be repaired and replaced.

    But why are they making the flume deeper and redesigning the boats.

    Because they have had weight issues, CM's working the ride are trained to watch the weight distribution and are told to send off boats that are not fully loaded (even with a long queue) if they feel the are too many "full bodied" adults on the single boat.

    Weight, and the fact the average guest is about 25 pounds heavier since the 60's, based on government statistics, is just plain facts.

    Does Disney need to promote the fact that one of the main reasons for the new design is weight? The answer again is NO. But all they needed to say was the fact they were addressing the issues of maintenance and the fact the ride is over 40 years old, and they are improving the ride.

    What they DIDN'T need to do is claim that Al Lutz was lying..

    Here is a quote from the NY Times on November 3rd...

    http://www.micechat.com/forums/showt...new-82270.html
    I was not trained on the attraction so I can not speak for them. What I will say is that with the recent additions to the J.C. the river was made a great deal shallower and this caused derail problems. However I do not know what modifications have been done to the IASW flume... So while the buildup argument is paper thin, it could have some truth to it.

    IMO the comment directed towards Al was a direct response to a question posed by the NY Times reporter. Generally a reporter will ask a baited question like "What do you think..." and then omit the question and only write a response. "Disney thinks Al Lutz has it all wrong." would be a perfect example. While the spokesperson may have said something similar to that, it can easily be taken out of context to generate the hype the reporter is looking for.

    Bottom line you have to remember this is Disney. This is the same company who claimed that Rocket Rods were fun, The same company who saw nothing wrong with the TL98 refurb. This is the company who continues to claim that Fast Pass prevents long lines. This is the company who removed Subs, only to bring them back years later, and who just finally admitted that DCA needs help. Hopefully you were not looking for a straight answer from them.

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  • BigThunder
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    ^It all depends on what your definition of 'is' is.

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  • bucky
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    I have to disagree with you Darkbeer,

    I don't a quote from the Disney spokesperson saying Al Lutz is lying, I see the NY Times implying that the Disney spokesperson said Al Lutz is lying.

    Disney chose not to mention the changes in design for the new flume and boats, so to claim they are calling Al a liar is just your opinion

    the repairs have nothing to do with weight, but the need for a new flume, the increased depth and new boats are because of the weight issue. If the flume was not in need of replacement, I seriously doubt Disney would spend the money to build a new flume and boats, but instead would just reduce the number of people per boat.

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  • Pressler69
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    Originally posted by BoygunaSurf View Post
    My question is, does anyone even go on this ride any more? When I was there over labor day, a crowded weekend with the marathon and all, that line was empty at 4:00pm.
    No, nobody rides it.

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  • Rex Dopey24
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    haha lol this article is too funny.

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  • Rocker
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    Originally posted by mousechild View Post
    How would Disney profit from this, they sell tons of soda in the park for the same price you can buy beer at a ball game. They sell far more burgers and fries than they do non-caramelized apples. They are far better off economically touting the changes as an enhancement of the experience than telling their guests to buy less food.

    And while we may all know the "real" reason they are changing the boats it is quite different if Disney admits it.
    Yeah, you are right. They do make a lot of money off selling popcorn and candy in the park. And you also didn't mention the churros are about $3.00. I could buy a Double-Double from In-N-Out Burger a'la carte for $2.85 for crying out loud.

    Back on the subject, you are right: they need to make money.

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  • mousechild
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    Originally posted by TheRockr View Post
    Why don't they jsut admit the truth, like everyone says: It is the weight of people. Over 100 million of Americans are either overwieght or obesed, 60 percent of which are adults.
    How would Disney profit from this, they sell tons of soda in the park for the same price you can buy beer at a ball game. They sell far more burgers and fries than they do non-caramelized apples. They are far better off economically touting the changes as an enhancement of the experience than telling their guests to buy less food.

    And while we may all know the "real" reason they are changing the boats it is quite different if Disney admits it.

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  • GothicManor
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    Guests have gotten fatter ever since Adventure thru Innerspace was canned lol "I am shrinking, shrinking..." remember that lol

    When I sit in the HM loading area in my wheel chair waiting to get on Doom Buggy #5 usually I see how huge people are and that they can barely squeeze one person into a buggy let alone two I remember 3 people riding in a buggy! This lack of room for bigger sizes also creates the panic "which buggy do I get in" shuffle I have also witnessed and then theres the "why doesnt the safety bar stay back when I pull on it" I hear so often as almost EVERYONE pulls back on the bar once they get all this while the speil is saying "Dont pull back on the safety bar I will lower it for you....'

    Americans are not only alot heavier but alot more stupid too nowadays it seems.........

    Also on POTC i have seen boats almost capsize due to all the heavier people on just one side of the boat! They dont even get it that they should shift their weight better and distribute it more evenly, of course neither do the CM's they are definately getting dumber too.....

    I guess its evolution in the making, if you are too heavy and too dumb, you either capsize your potc boat and drown or get stuck on iasw and be driven mad by having to listen to the iasw song over and over

    ok ok so Im being harsh but sadly its all true!

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  • Rocker
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    Why don't they jsut admit the truth, like everyone says: It is the weight of people. Over 100 million of Americans are either overwieght or obesed, 60 percent of which are adults.

    Back on the subject, it is a good idea though that Disney is considering this. It's nice that they want to give an old attraction a little TLC.

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  • Darkbeer
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    What I have a problem is that the Disneyland Spokesperson(s) in the NY Times (last week) and now in the LA Times basically claim Al Lutz is lying.

    And that is NOT the case.

    Is it the ONLY reason why "iasw" is closing? The answer to that is clear... NO, it is an older ride and needs things to be repaired and replaced.

    But why are they making the flume deeper and redesigning the boats.

    Because they have had weight issues, CM's working the ride are trained to watch the weight distribution and are told to send off boats that are not fully loaded (even with a long queue) if they feel the are too many "full bodied" adults on the single boat.

    Weight, and the fact the average guest is about 25 pounds heavier since the 60's, based on government statistics, is just plain facts.

    Does Disney need to promote the fact that one of the main reasons for the new design is weight? The answer again is NO. But all they needed to say was the fact they were addressing the issues of maintenance and the fact the ride is over 40 years old, and they are improving the ride.

    What they DIDN'T need to do is claim that Al Lutz was lying..

    Here is a quote from the NY Times on November 3rd...

    http://www.micechat.com/forums/showt...new-82270.html


    A Disney spokesman said Mr. Lutz has it wrong. Repairs have caused a buildup of fiberglass in the flume, decreasing the clearance. The repairs, which will close the ride for 10 months starting in January, “have nothing to do with weight,” he said.

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  • BoygunaSurf
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    My question is, does anyone even go on this ride any more? When I was there over labor day, a crowded weekend with the marathon and all, that line was empty at 4:00pm.

    There were more guests waiting in line to open the door to the glass factory in ToonTown, no joke!

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  • aashee
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    Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    In making a decision about what reason to use on the press release, do you suppose they weighed the pros and cons?

    Guaranteed. Anytime there is a press release Disney is VERY careful about how to word things.

    What's funny is we are talking about Small world and DCA is planning on building a hovering bumper tires ride. Talk about making something where weight is tantamount to how the ride runs.

    Chad

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  • MikeChat
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    They should have just not said anything and stated that they were employing the changes and not even say why. "Don't ask, don't tell"

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  • techskip
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    Originally posted by EmeralineDragon View Post
    Is it wrong that your litany of failed redesigns makes me laugh? :lol::roll:
    Originally posted by BigThunder View Post
    Not many math majors at WDI.
    Well... as any good Skip would say... I won $20 on that last one, thanks WDI!

    As a side note while Leno recently started his little "sink or float" game the J.C. has been doing it for over 50 years, although the Ucyi was the biggest thing we ever played it with!

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  • BigThunder
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    Originally posted by techskip View Post
    I will keep my own personal feelings out of this and agree that stating the obvious would only land Disney in hotter water. I am more interested in this "more buoyant" boat. Specifically because the redesign of the Splash Log made it bottom out, the redesign of the Space rocket made it too heavy, and the redesign of the Ucyi (wheelchair boat) actually sank the first time they tossed it in the river. Disney hasn't exactly had a good track record at lightweight re-designs. If the Guests are heavier then you have to offset it somehow because heavy+heavy=sunk.
    Not many math majors at WDI.

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  • EmeralineDragon
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    Re: LA Times: A sinking feeling on 'Small World'

    Originally posted by techskip View Post
    Specifically because the redesign of the Splash Log made it bottom out, the redesign of the Space rocket made it too heavy, and the redesign of the Ucyi (wheelchair boat) actually sank the first time they tossed it in the river.
    Is it wrong that your litany of failed redesigns makes me laugh? :lol::roll:

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