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  • there is just less sticker shock with payments... sure, save up... LOL... I read an article in a "money" magazine about how the self employed simply do not
    "save" enough... a simple philosophy for those who don't have a tight budget...

    I imagine, discontinuing the payment plan would eliminate some APs, but, you are assuming that cutting the crowds is a goal.. in that case, they could simply limit the number of passes... something they will accomplish by raising the price

    at my age... I do payments... just in case...

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    • Disney wants the parks busy-crowed!
      They going get there money regarding payment plans AP's or Admission.
      That would make sure,that more people will see, Disney brand advertisement and synergy!
      It just business to them
      Soaring like an EAGLE !

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      • In all of these discussions, nobody has ever provided a clear definition of "over-crowded." It's always just some vague notion tied more to someone's personal comfort than any solid variable or condition we can really discuss. my "crowded" isn't the same as your "crowded." There's no way to reasonably discuss something like this without a proper understanding of the terms in use.

        Also, much of this discussion is just pure arrogance. That any of us would know better than the disney company would about this topic. that we can sit here in our armchairs and know what's best to decrease overcrowding with no reliable data and almost total ignorance of what the actual numbers show regarding who spends what and what each demographic's costs and profit potential is.

        Honestly, do you REALLY think disneyland hasn't examined this from every angle using carefully collected data? Every purchase made anywhere at the parks besides kiosks comes with poll data about whether the purchase is being made by an AP holder or not. You think they remind APs to use their discounts out of generosity?

        They know what's being spent on and where it's being spent. They know who is spending it. They have based their decisions on payment plans and pass levels and acceptable attendance levels on that data.

        I'm really not sure any of us have any grounds for discussing this topic with any kind of certainty at all. Y'all don't know. You don't.

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        • Originally posted by igomod View Post
          In all of these discussions, nobody has ever provided a clear definition of "over-crowded." It's always just some vague notion tied more to someone's personal comfort than any solid variable or condition we can really discuss. my "crowded" isn't the same as your "crowded." There's no way to reasonably discuss something like this without a proper understanding of the terms in use.

          Also, much of this discussion is just pure arrogance. That any of us would know better than the disney company would about this topic. that we can sit here in our armchairs and know what's best to decrease overcrowding with no reliable data and almost total ignorance of what the actual numbers show regarding who spends what and what each demographic's costs and profit potential is.

          Honestly, do you REALLY think disneyland hasn't examined this from every angle using carefully collected data? Every purchase made anywhere at the parks besides kiosks comes with poll data about whether the purchase is being made by an AP holder or not. You think they remind APs to use their discounts out of generosity?

          They know what's being spent on and where it's being spent. They know who is spending it. They have based their decisions on payment plans and pass levels and acceptable attendance levels on that data.

          I'm really not sure any of us have any grounds for discussing this topic with any kind of certainty at all. Y'all don't know. You don't.
          The points you bring up have been mentioned in some of the other threads that have covered this topic. I agree with you, and many others do too, that what one considers crowded another will consider manageable. Many of us will agree, though, that when it takes 10 minutes to get up and down Main St. because the crowds are so dense, it's too crowded.

          I also agree with you that we are all speculating and don't have actual numbers to back up any of our claims. However, we do have what Disneyland management doesn't, which is real, on-the-ground experience of what it feels like to be in the crowds. Management has the luxury of moving around in backstage areas so that they don't have to deal with the crowds. Even the CMs who need to get to outlying areas to work at their locations for the day can use backstage routes. Guests don't have that luxury. People who solely look and numbers and don't tie in any of the physical or emotional impacts don't have the full picture. Both groups are probably lacking in the information needed to really understand what changes need to be made. Both groups have good information and both should be considered.

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          • But they DO know that. Not by walking around, but by looking at that same data we don't have. Are we still showing up and spending money? Has attendance dipped? Boom: emotional impact can be known.

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            • The bottom line is that the people keep coming. They keep buying tickets of all kinds. So why would Disney change anything, based on those simple facts alone?
              BarbaraAnn

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              • It's too crowded, or over crowded, when you and thousands of other people are walking into a walkway or path area and it bottlenecks and you are just standing there not moving or barely able to walk at all. That is over crowded/too crowded.

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                • And you're one of the reasons the flow stops. So why should your experience be protected but those "others" shouldn't be there? And "others" comes to be defined by any group you can conveniently scapegoat for the cause of your discomfort: those making monthly payments, those on a SoCal pass, locals using Disneyland as a "hang out." As though your experience is privileged over anybody else's.

                  (not singling you out specifically. this is meant for anyone complaining about crowds and proposing solutions that limits what other people can do)

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                  • I have not looked into this scientifically but i am curious about visitation to the parks as a percentage of local and non local population. It is obvious that the population in almost every area has increased many times over in the past decades, but has the visitation to disneyland exceeded the corresponding population increase(in other words, become more popular or just as popular but from a larger base)?

                    I will give an example of how things have changed in another realm. I am in the Seattle area. With the tech boom, we have had enormous changes to our population demographic. Immigrants from India (and Asia as well)have been a very large contributor to the growth. In India, skiing is something only attainable by the very wealthy, yet here it is easily a middle class activity. As a ski instructor, i can attest that childrens ski classes now can be comprised of a majority of Indian students. This has caused skiing, which has been a stagnant sport for decades, to become a slightly growing sport now, in part to the new demographic markets that are being introduced in the US.

                    I would guess that a similar situation is happening with theme parks. More and more people have a lot more disposable income and increased vacation time. What are they going to do with it? Going to disneyland has always been a choice, yet now it is attainable for many more people.

                    Before readers get the wrong impression that I think immigrants are "bad" or that only the rich should be able to afford Disneyland, believe me when i say that i have no problem with anyone from anywhere. I am just pointing out a specific example that i have noted and am curious if there is a much larger shift in our society and how we spend our money and time that is creating the disneyland crowding.

                    Really I think that this goes well beyond Disney. It amazes me that other companies have not seen the potential and created more theme parks versus the existing empires investing to slightly expand current venues. If there were a comparable competition to disneyland customers would be forced to make the choice, but as the numbers show there is no true competition. This is why we continue to return.

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