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  • #21
    Originally posted by Donald1980 View Post

    Disney will never merge the two parks, that's lost money. Disney wants it to require two tickets or a park hopper in order to visit the parks.
    Totally agree.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Pips View Post

      Totally agree.
      I can't quite remember, but I remember someone saying they almost decided before DCA or maybe it was Westcot that only one ticket would be needed. Can't quite remember, I just remember hearing that it was discussed but eventually they went with the plan for a separate ticket being needed for the new park.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Donald1980 View Post

        I can't quite remember, but I remember someone saying they almost decided before DCA or maybe it was Westcot that only one ticket would be needed. Can't quite remember, I just remember hearing that it was discussed but eventually they went with the plan for a separate ticket being needed for the new park.
        Kind of like Universal in Orlando. You can take the train from one Harry Potter land to the other, but you need a ticket to both Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios in order to make the trip. It's kind of funny at DLR, when you consider how close the parks are to one another.

        Oh, well. It is what it is. I guess the upside is that it allows more different ticket pricing variations, which can benefit those who just want to go to DCA. But keeping on topic here, yep, they better keep the esplanade.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by soggyinsnoqualmie View Post
          On our last trip, every time we entered i wondered why the esplanade still exists? I understand that, although it seems insane to buy tickets at the booths instead of online(where you save money)..
          A little off topic but, I know that buying tickets online is certainly convenient, but how exactly does it save you money? Don't the seasonal prices apply to all tickets, whether you buy online or at the booths? You might be thinking of Universal's "EZ Rez" system, which does offer a tiered pricing structure, while buying in person does require you to pay the maximum price (which is something like $120 now), but I don't think it works like that with Disney.

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          • #25
            Ya not sure how it saves money buying tickets online, perhaps it should, and half of security has been moved and all will when the new garage is done.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Donald1980 View Post
              The esplanade at times can feel too small when the lines from both parks touch each other. Making it any smaller would only create more chaos. After the new gateway is built, a bunch of land will most likely be taken up for additional DCA space. The land I am talking about is where currently the different busses drop guests off, including where the buses from the Toy Story parking lot drop you off. Disney will never eliminate the esplanade because Disney wants guests to have two separate tickets (or a park hopper ticket that costs more) to enter both parks, and not one.
              Agreed. I don't think the Esplanade will ever completely disappear. But the project mention by Donald above will eat up some of it in 2 phases (bridge/walkway and northern expanson of DCA). DCA has already bitten off a noticeable chunk 5 yrs ago with entrance and BVS.

              So bit by bit, parts will disappear, but the two parks will never quite touch.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by LangenFox View Post
                And bring back the old parking lot? Wait, that won't work since DCA and Esplanade still exists.

                No, the Esplanade is fine and it is needed for ticket booths, walk way to both parks and how atmospheric it is.

                The place is designed to be the main gateway to Disneyland and Disney California Adventure. Downtown Disney is also included as an entry and exit to the parks.

                So, no need to get rid of, it is difficult and creates more problems if it is altered. I am really glad to see that the small securiy checkpoints were removed on the Esplanade and it looks much better than before! More open and clear, you can see the place better than before.

                It is good that one of the security checkpoints had been moved to the Mickey and Friends Parking Structure near the entry to the trams.
                I didn't know the security checkpoints were gone. Where do they search your belongings/bags/etc?

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Beavis View Post

                  I didn't know the security checkpoints were gone. Where do they search your belongings/bags/etc?
                  They were removed and replaced to MnF parking and the outskirts of DTD. So they just increased the size of the security bubble.

                  When LagenFox said "removed" I think he/she was emphasizing the fact the western security lines aren't mucking up the view of the esplanade, removing that over clogged area from the esplanade and allowing for freer movement.
                  Last edited by JayRomy; 03-20-2017, 06:44 AM. Reason: Clarification
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by JayRomy View Post

                    They were removed and replaced to MnF parking and the outskirts of DTD. So they just increased the size of the security bubble.

                    When LagenFox said "removed" I think he/she was emphasizing the fact the western security lines aren't mucking up the view of the esplanade, removing that over clogged area from the esplanade and allowing for freer movement.
                    So there must still be the checkpoints on the Harbor side of the esplanade I'm guessing.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Beavis View Post

                      So there must still be the checkpoints on the Harbor side of the esplanade I'm guessing.
                      Yes, until the new parking garage is built and they will be moved to there. Similar to Mickey and Friends, but with a permanent and better looking solution.

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                      • #31
                        Even if you removed the ticket booths and just had a few informational kiosks, requiring all tickets to be purchased in advance, you'd still need an esplanade because of the two distinct parks with their own entry fees. The esplanade acts as a lobby where people can get their bearings about where to go next, situating themselves and their families, and meeting up with others. I find nothing wrong with it as it is and see no reason to get rid of it.

                        Just because a part of Disneyland doesn't have a ride, shop or restaurant, doesn't mean it's dead space. It's that kind of thinking that lead to the end of the Court of Angels.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Beavis View Post

                          So there must still be the checkpoints on the Harbor side of the esplanade I'm guessing.
                          As Donald said, yes.

                          And the difference is amazing. The eastern chk point doesnt have enough room at times. The shuttle buses come and come, to the point there are too many guests and the TS shuttles must over shoot and drop ppl off where you would normally pick them up at the end of the day. This bc that peninsula/strip of concrete at this transportation center was never meant to hold thousands of ppl "captive". It's just not big enough. When it becomes a safety hazard, Disney then has the drivers drop on the "wrong" side. Oy, what a nightmare. The new eastern gateway will beautify the esplanade again and will cause less of a headache. I'm almost as excited for the new parking as I am for SW Expansion!!
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by amyuilani View Post
                            Even if you removed the ticket booths and just had a few informational kiosks, requiring all tickets to be purchased in advance, you'd still need an esplanade because of the two distinct parks with their own entry fees. The esplanade acts as a lobby where people can get their bearings about where to go next, situating themselves and their families, and meeting up with others. I find nothing wrong with it as it is and see no reason to get rid of it.

                            Just because a part of Disneyland doesn't have a ride, shop or restaurant, doesn't mean it's dead space. It's that kind of thinking that lead to the end of the Court of Angels.
                            I RESPECTFULLY disagree about the COA. It was so beautiful that they annexed it for their elite. Not bc it was viewed as useless and/or dead space.


                            And I feel many here would like to see what appears to be mostly dead space be used for something other than what it is now. I feel the exact same way about the large parking lot in the extreme southwest corner of the DLR. Improperly utilized space for a resort that lacks space.

                            ...and my apologies, I cannot remember that lots name ATM...

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                            • #34
                              I didn't realize the esplanade was so loved. It sounds like many believe it is necessary due to the lines that form. I guess my thought is line space is only necessary if lines exist. Simplifying the process with much better efficiency and increased entry stations could theoretically create a zero wait entry situation. If this happened it seems like the esplanade does become unnecessary. As far as it being an entry to the parks, I have always felt that was the point of the entry tunnels at both parks, and the true point of feeling "in the park" is emerging from the tunnels.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by soggyinsnoqualmie View Post
                                I didn't realize the esplanade was so loved. It sounds like many believe it is necessary due to the lines that form. I guess my thought is line space is only necessary if lines exist. Simplifying the process with much better efficiency and increased entry stations could theoretically create a zero wait entry situation. If this happened it seems like the esplanade does become unnecessary. As far as it being an entry to the parks, I have always felt that was the point of the entry tunnels at both parks, and the true point of feeling "in the park" is emerging from the tunnels.
                                Just because people said it was needed, doesn't mean they "love" it. You proposed an idea, you asked for responses and you got your responses to the reasons why it wouldn't work. Creating new gates would not create a more efficient and quicker way, but instead would do the opposite. The problem or factor you are not putting into account is the fact that Disney is stingy with it's guests. As is, if Disney were to always have the right amount of staff for entry, then there should be no wait, but Disney doesn't. Disney instead puts the bare minimum or just below bare minimum when it comes to staffing.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by JayRomy View Post

                                  I RESPECTFULLY disagree about the COA. It was so beautiful that they annexed it for their elite. Not bc it was viewed as useless and/or dead space.


                                  And I feel many here would like to see what appears to be mostly dead space be used for something other than what it is now. I feel the exact same way about the large parking lot in the extreme southwest corner of the DLR. Improperly utilized space for a resort that lacks space.

                                  ...and my apologies, I cannot remember that lots name ATM...
                                  I guess I meant that because it was dead space to them, it would be of no loss to the rest of the park. They were wrong because dead space can be peaceful space too.

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                                  • #37
                                    I can say that if they made the entry points a lot quicker, then the vast amount of space that is the Esplanade could be used for other things. I for one would like to see them expand the lockers on both the DL and DCA sides, which doesn't mean a big change to the size of the Esplanade.

                                    Now as for the idea of one big park with combining DCA into DL. I would say that could happen if they ever built the 3rd gate. However I think Disney being Disney, they would probably still have 3 separate entry points requiring separate purchases or a park hopper.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Scottieboy View Post
                                      I can say that if they made the entry points a lot quicker, then the vast amount of space that is the Esplanade could be used for other things. I for one would like to see them expand the lockers on both the DL and DCA sides, which doesn't mean a big change to the size of the Esplanade.
                                      And this was the direction of my other post in this thread... that we CAN afford to give up bits n pieces here n there. My examples were BVS/DCA entrance in 2012.
                                      More lockers is a good thing with minimal impact. The new walkway from the eastern gateway project is another fine use. Expanding DCA to the north, perfect!! Bigger restrooms? Yes.

                                      Years ago Al Lutz reported a rumoured hotel above the current eastern transportation center. Since its lobby would have been above the shuttle service, it would have added a hotel that took relatively little sq footage from the esplanade. The exclusive guests would have had their own entry into DLs town square and another into DCA, effectively removing these guests out of the esplanade.

                                      The esplanade has a ton of space to give, and if it's in small amounts to add to guest comfort, I'm all for it. Yes, btw, I'm mildly obsessed with the current state of this underutilized area of the resort. Lol.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by chadwpalm View Post
                                        Expanding the security bubble on the west side to multiple points has already proven to be more efficient. At least that's the idea I'm getting from other members of this board. Also, when the eastern gateway is complete, the new security checkpoint there will be larger and hopefully more efficient as well. This will clear all security checks out of the esplanade (Finally!). Ticket booths need to be there, because there will always be people who want to just show up to things and have a means to buy tickets.

                                        DCA will always be less popular than Disneyland because.....well....it's Disneyland...Walt's park. But DCA since it's refurbs has definitely gotten much more popular than it was when it first opened.

                                        You don't directly say it, but are you implying that Disneyland and DCA should be turned into one big park? I'm not sure I like that idea. Both parks have different feels and I don't think it would work. The way you enter Disneyland and into Main Street is iconic and intended to be that way. I think two parks and an esplanade in between is fine the way it is. Could the esplanade stand to be a bit more beautified? Probably.
                                        Well... It looks like Disney is actually going to keep an entrance open, directly from Harbor to the eastern side of the Esplanade, to placate business owners who were complaining that directing all foot traffic over the bridge would do harm to their businesses. So there will still have to be a security checkpoint there.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by soggyinsnoqualmie View Post
                                          On our last trip, every time we entered i wondered why the esplanade still exists? I understand that, although it seems insane to buy tickets at the booths instead of online(where you save money), there needs to be someplace to buy tickets but that could be anywhere(automated machines in parking lots?) but what else is the reason besides a no-mans land to meet people? It also amazes me that disney has not figured out how to process customers through security in an efficient manner. Even universal studios has figured out that having many permanent security gates all staffed heavily during the crowded periods allows quicker entry. This allows guests to get in the parks faster and start spending money instead of standing in lines.

                                          If the esplanade did not exist, security could still happen on both sides of the esplanade as they currently do, but entry gates could possibly be incorporated into that process, because seriously, why is it not combined already? It would take a few extra seconds to incorporate a ticket scan into the security process, get rid of the entry gates and cut waiting almost in half.

                                          The esplanade would easily be enough space for a small new land. Given the price of land around the resort and how disney has tried to figue ways to recover backstage area it seems a simple solution to find space without much work. Of course disney would have to make a single ticket, but really how many people don't buy a hopper? we never have only visited one park in a day.

                                          I have heard many compare DCA with disneyland and state that they do not enjoy it as much mainly due to atmosphere, but I have also heard many claim they dislike toontown, yet it is still overly crowded every day. Why, because it is in disneyland. If it required a separate entry ticket or another wait to enter, it may be much less popular.

                                          I know that if I didn't have to go through the process of leaving the land and waiting to get back into DCA i would roam much more readily, maybe others would as well, thereby equalizing guest flow.

                                          What are your thoughts and if this happened what wold you do with the space and how would you make the gate/security process smoother.
                                          This doesn't make any logistical sense. Large ticketed venues require large entry ways.

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