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Interesting Facts about the design and structure of disneyland?

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  • Interesting Facts about the design and structure of disneyland?

    I figure there are not a lot, but if you know some please share

  • #2
    The original plan was supposed to be in Burbank across from Disney Studios but got shot down.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Blackness View Post
      The original plan was supposed to be in Burbank across from Disney Studios but got shot down.
      How many hours in traffic would this have saved me driving down from the bay area? Not having to through LA to get to DL would have been fantastic.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Co Foo View Post

        How many hours in traffic would this have saved me driving down from the bay area? Not having to through LA to get to DL would have been fantastic.
        Would you have driven from the Bay area to go to a 15 acre park?

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        • #5
          Disneyland and the popular press write often that the Disneyland Railroad runs on top of the berm that surrounds the Park. This is inaccurate. Except at Main Street Station, (and maybe Toontown and SW) the Railroad operates just inside the Berm, the Berm being on the left side of the train.

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          • #6
            All of the water features in Disneyland with green colored water are part of what's known as the "dark" water system. Starting from the former Motorboat Cruise, the water will pass by the castle where it flows into the Jungle Cruise, then goes through pipes into the Rivers of America. At the end of the cycle, it is pumped back to the top to start the journey again. This Samland article explains it well and includes a helpful diagram:
            Here Sam Gennawey tells us about Disneyland's Big River System and other secret places in Disneyland.

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            • #7
              holiday hill......lookout mt.....snow hill....lovers lane....a postcard to Vic Greene. But it is a case of which came first, the postcard or central pylon ? If I could see one structure from the past, it would be Holiday Hill.

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              • #8
                Walt Disney planned Disneyland to minimize required walking distances, and his intention was for each guest to walk only about a mile per day.

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                • #9
                  Each of the four Realms was designed originally so that Guests would only enter and exit by way of Central Plaza.

                  The portals between the Realms were added later as a compromise for better traffic flow.

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                  • #10
                    Interesting stuff.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                      Each of the four Realms was designed originally so that Guests would only enter and exit by way of Central Plaza.

                      The portals between the Realms were added later as a compromise for better traffic flow.
                      Adventureland and Frontierland have always been connected.

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                      • #12
                        The design of the Park followed movie theater design, with an outer lobby, an inner lobby, coming-attractions posters and a proscenium arch leading to "scene one," Main Street USA.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
                          Walt Disney planned Disneyland to minimize required walking distances, and his intention was for each guest to walk only about a mile per day.
                          Which is interesting, given it's a half mile walk to
                          get from the entrance to the hub I believe, since it's about the same distance as the Indy que (which is a half mile itself), so if this desire wasn't dropped early on, then the only way for Walt to get what he wanted was to have guest make a u turn st the hub .

                          Disneyland is built with forced perspective, mostly because Disneyland was built and designed by set designers, where building full buildings to scale for film purpouse would be a gross waste of money.

                          Disneyland was also designed in bifurcated fashion as well, despite the hub design. Fantasyland and frontierland weren't connected initially, so frontierland would flow into adventure land at both the entrance and the rivers, while fantasyland and tomorrowland connected via around holiday hill (the site of the Matterhorn).

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                          • #14
                            Dorritos were invented at DL. The story says that at the old Frito-Lay cafe (can't remember the name) that a CM wanted to find a way to not waste the old tortillas at the end of the day. He decided to cut the up and fry them. BAM! You got Dorritos.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GameNBurger View Post
                              Disneyland is built with forced perspective, mostly because Disneyland was built and designed by set designers, where building full buildings to scale for film purpouse would be a gross waste of money.
                              The forced perspective was more to make the castle look so small and to make the most out of Disneyland's limited space. If the MS buildings were all actually 2 or 3 full stories, the castle would look tiny by comparison. If you look carefully the scale actually reduces and the buildings get slightly shorter the closer you get to the hub, which is why looking up the street at the castle looks far away while looking down the street toward the train station looks closer.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Mr. P View Post
                                the old Frito-Lay cafe (can't remember the name)
                                Casa de Fritos.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by GameNBurger View Post

                                  Which is interesting, given it's a half mile walk to
                                  get from the entrance to the hub I believe, since it's about the same distance as the Indy que (which is a half mile itself), so if this desire wasn't dropped early on, then the only way for Walt to get what he wanted was to have guest make a u turn st the hub .

                                  Disneyland is built with forced perspective, mostly because Disneyland was built and designed by set designers, where building full buildings to scale for film purpouse would be a gross waste of money.

                                  Disneyland was also designed in bifurcated fashion as well, despite the hub design. Fantasyland and frontierland weren't connected initially, so frontierland would flow into adventure land at both the entrance and the rivers, while fantasyland and tomorrowland connected via around holiday hill (the site of the Matterhorn).
                                  It's not a half mile from the entrance to the hub. It's maybe a quarter mile at most, probably even less than .2 miles. Same with the Indy queue. A half mile is really far, even from Splash to Autopia probably isn't a half mile. The parks feel much bigger than they actually are.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by RobertaME View Post

                                    If you look carefully the scale actually reduces and the buildings get slightly shorter the closer you get to the hub, which is why looking up the street at the castle looks far away while looking down the street toward the train station looks closer.
                                    This actually isn't true at all, and is likely a corruption of the use of forced perspective that actually is used, as you explained earlier. If you look at photos or drawings of the four blocks of Main Street, you will see that each "building" varies in height, and do not "shrink" as they get closer to the castle. Here's one block, for example: Click image for larger version  Name:	Main-Street-USA-Rendering-Disneyland.jpg Views:	1 Size:	70.5 KB ID:	8511811



                                    You can see that the Market House, at mid-street on the left, is actually the tallest building on the block.

                                    Nor does the street get any narrower towards the Castle, as any aerial view will show.
                                    Last edited by Right Down Broadway; 05-19-2017, 10:32 AM.

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                                    • #19
                                      From the turnstiles to the hub entrance is 889 feet or about 0.17 miles. From there to the entrance of Indy is about another 889 feet for a total of 0.34 miles. (OpenStreetMap is your friend! :^Þ )

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                                      Originally posted by Right Down Broadway View Post
                                      This actually isn't true at all, and is likely a corruption of the use of forced perspective that actually is used, as you explained earlier. If you look at photos or drawings of the four blocks of Main Street, you will see that each "building" varies in height, and do not "shrink" as they get closer to the castle. ...

                                      You can see that the Market House, at mid-street on the left, is actually the tallest building on the block.
                                      Yes, the building tops are varied and the second story levels are even with one another, but the ground rises over 2 meters from Town Square to the Hub and then drops back down again by 2 meters as you approach the foot of the Castle. Because your eye looks at the difference between the building heights and the ground it forces you to see them as taller in town square. (the 2nd floor comes slightly closer to the ground as the ground rises)
                                      Last edited by RobertaME; 05-19-2017, 10:46 AM.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by RobertaME View Post

                                        Yes, the building tops are varied and the second story levels are even with one another, but the ground rises over 2 meters from Town Square to the Hub and then drops back down again by 2 meters as you approach the foot of the Castle. Because your eye looks at the difference between the building heights and the ground it forces you to see them as taller in town square. (the 2nd floor comes slightly closer to the ground as the ground rises)
                                        Wait, what?? The second floor comes slightly closer to the ground as the ground rises?? That makes no sense.

                                        Out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of books written about Disneyland, Disney and Imagineering, you will not find one single reference to any so called "forced perspective" in a linear manner along the length of Main Street--because the imagineers did not design it that way. Any perceived linear forced perspective is purely coincidental. However, you will find myriad references to the vertical forced perspective employed, which is easily discernible.

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