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FANTASMIC! 2.0 Reviews, Questions, and Concerns

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  • FANTASMIC! 2.0 Reviews, Questions, and Concerns

    Overall, I am a big fan of the upgrades made to our beloved Fantasmic! show.

    However, am I the only one who intensely hates the PotC addition? It makes no sense to the overall narrative as the story is supposed to take place inside Mickey's animated imagination.

    Also, Mickey's voice throughout the soundtrack sounds a bit off to me. Its a bit disorienting to me but doesn't take away too much from the overall show.

    One of the the biggest upgrades for me was the addition of Lion King into the Jungle Book sequence and, even though it's a small thing, the fact that Murphy the dragon spits out fire as he's being defeated by Mickey was a nice touch.

    What did you all think?

  • #2
    Haha I felt the same way about Mickey's Voice (It sounds like it is from Tokyo Disney Sea's Version)



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    • #3
      I have only seen it on YouTube so far but I agree with you completely. Mickey with his little “huh’s” throughout isn’t needed. I really want Peter Pan back. And I’m not a fan of the new music. I know it’s more modern. Less 90’s synthesized but that cheesy style really grew on me.

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      • #4
        I watched the show several times on YT, and overall, I really liked it! It certainly brings a lot more razzle-dazzle to the show. I was honestly surprised by how much i liked the new changes. The Genie scene is a good replacement for the lackluster Pinocchio section, and the updated music in Pink Elephants was really cool. I loved the small tweaks they made for a stronger storyline. The whole mirror scene was great, even though it meant taking away the Queen. I also LOVED the new Mickey animation during the Ursula segment, It really ties that reused movie footage to the show.

        However, there were a few missteps for me. The new Fantasmic Theme has a new "harmony" blended in with the strong trumpet melody (hard to describe) that gives the song a less powerful feel. The pirates section was totally out of place. I think by re-dubbing Barbossa to say, "You best start believing in ghost stories, Mickey. You're in one" could help. The Magic carpet section was unnecessary for me and seemed to be there just to use the old Pinocchio mechanism. While the Tangled segment was nice, it felt less dramatic than SW because of the timing of the song. It should have come DIRECTLY after Ariel's "..ready to staaand" and swelled just like SW. Right now it just comes in too slowly and is less "epic". Who decided the dragon should rise in full view? The whole mood of the music serves as a big reveal of the dragon. Right now, its just too disjointed. Overall, I also dont like that they used animation, music and costumes from other shows. The mirror scene is lifted from DisneySea's Fantasmic, and so are the monkey costumes. The tangled music is also reused from WOC Holiday dreams. Hopefully they tweak things a little, but I still think it is a great show despite my complaints!

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        • #5
          I have also only seen it on YouTube so far and I've really enjoyed it. Can't wait to see it in person! And I agree about the PotC scene. I love the action and the stunts but it just seems like it's not a fit.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MusicJunky2 View Post
            Also, Mickey's voice throughout the soundtrack sounds a bit off to me. Its a bit disorienting to me but doesn't take away too much from the overall show.
            Yeah, that was strange. Im fine with a "Wow!" now and then, but the "ahhh.." and other little things especially in the opening were like you said, disorienting.

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            • #7
              I agree completely about the POTC scene, it doesn't flow well into the story at all. Everything in that show is animated related, and then all of a sudden...BOOM, we're forced into a drunken Jack Sparrow, only to be thrown right back into the animated storytelling about the Disney Princesses. The scene with Peter Pan was so much better and flowed exceptionally well into the next segment.

              Which brings me to my next complaint...the removal of Snow White, and the Queen and her cauldron. Because once SW was done, you had the powerful scene of the Queen with her cauldron to summon up the other villains. It all flowed perfectly! By having just the "mirror on the wall" pop up makes no sense to me and seems very choppy and mismatched.

              As for Mickey's voice throughout the show, I thought the concept was good, but you're right, it was disorienting at times and took away from what was going on in the show.

              The only other issue I have is the exit music. I don't care for the slower pace score they use now. The up-tempo score previously used made you feel happy and excited about the show. Now the music feels like a downer to me.

              Is Fantasmic! 2.0 a bad/horrible show? No, not at all. And for the newer generation, I suppose it's fine. But for someone like me who was there on opening night in 1992, I felt the show was epic! And nearly 25 years later, it was still a crowd favorite and a true testament on how amazing the original show was! So in my eyes, why fix something that's not broke? And if you're going to enhance/upgrade a show, at least make it just as good, if not better, than what we had. Unfortunately, I feel Disney fell flat by doing so with this new adaption.
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              • #8
                Did anyone else notice the new Beast costume? It looks fantastic! Which make me wonder, they could fabricate a new, highly detailed costume, but they couldn't correctly lip-sync the animation of the Magic Mirror?

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                • #9
                  I thought most of the added scenes were great. I love not knowing how Aladdin and Jasmine were flying, I loved the Lion King/Jungle Book mashup and I liked having Sorcerer Mickey in the show more (even if his grunts and exclamations were a bit much). Still, I found myself with mostly minor gripes about what the show turned out as, with one exception.

                  I think my biggest problem is that Mickey's new voice actor isn't Wayne Allwine (RIP). I found myself wishing that the parts of Fantasmic 2.0 that used the exact same lines as 1.0 had just used the old voiceover. The pyro and final effects seemed like they used better shells, but some timing was still off. Just to nitpick, I'm fairly certain they reduced the number of minor fireworks in the sorcery scenes.

                  Now, the exception.

                  Pirates of the Caribbean wasn't terrible, but it was pretty close. I had absolutely no clue what was happening, the voice acting was bad, and I just felt really disappointed. The lighting for this scene and the entire show looks technically good, but the mapping feels so poorly executed it just looks strange to me. I like the idea of having a Pirates of the Caribbean scene in the show, but Fantasmic just doesn't have the technology or wherewithal to make it work just yet.

                  I know how tight of a timetable everyone that worked on this show was on and I think everyone did the best with what they could. With the exception of Pirates of the Caribbean, I think the other parts of the show will just require me getting used to, but I'm excited to see how it will be plussed in the coming years just because there is so much room for improvement.

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                  • #10
                    I really love this new version. I have minor quibbles here and there, but overall I'm in love with it.

                    I actually kind of enjoy the dragon rising in view, it's so menacing. Almost feels like your seeing her form into the dragon. The defeat is such an improvement, the way Mickey shoots pyro from hands, the fire belch before she is finished, great job!

                    I don't mind pirates, visually it's an improvement. I think the issue lies with the transition into it, and the dialogue. We don't need Barbossa to introduce it, it's jarring. Go from the ship scene crashing into water, into a cannon blast, and straight into the iconic music from the film.






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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DisneyFunGuy View Post

                      Which brings me to my next complaint...the removal of Snow White, and the Queen and her cauldron. Because once SW was done, you had the powerful scene of the Queen with her cauldron to summon up the other villains. It all flowed perfectly! By having just the "mirror on the wall" pop up makes no sense to me and seems very choppy and mismatched.
                      Absolutely!


                      I think my biggest problem is that Mickey's new voice actor isn't Wayne Allwine (RIP). I found myself wishing that the parts of Fantasmic 2.0 that used the exact same lines as 1.0 had just used the old voiceover. The pyro and final effects seemed like they used better shells, but some timing was still off. Just to nitpick, I'm fairly certain they reduced the number of minor fireworks in the sorcery scenes.

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                      That's more of what I meant in terms of Mickey's voice throughout the soundtrack. While I didn't mind his little "huh's" I just could really tell that the voice was not the original. I wished the same in that they would have kept Wayne Allwine's original voice track.

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                      • #12
                        I love the vibrant color of the new show and most of the new additions except the Pirates scene. Fantasmic is a word play of of Fantasia which is a celebration of ANIMATION not live movies!!! Please bring back the Peter Pan scene! Snow White should be brought back as well since that was Disney's first animated movie.
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                        • #13
                          I wonder if they took the time to reprogram Glow with the show/made with magic.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DisneyFunGuy View Post
                            Which brings me to my next complaint...the removal of Snow White, and the Queen and her cauldron. Because once SW was done, you had the powerful scene of the Queen with her cauldron to summon up the other villains. It all flowed perfectly! By having just the "mirror on the wall" pop up makes no sense to me and seems very choppy and mismatched.
                            I understand the (possible) reason for removing Snow White. Belle and the Beast, Eric and Ariel are couples we got to know on screen. Snow White's Prince is such a minor character, that he doesn't even have a name. Rapunzel and Flynn are the perfect replacement. And opening that segment with Jasmine and Aladdin was nice too.

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                            • #15
                              I find the changes to be net neutral. Some of the changes are good. Others leave something to be desired. I thought the can-can worked well enough, but it wasn't very iconic and well received by everyone. Friend Like Me is better. I even wish it was longer. I preferred the original monkey dance music better, but the Lion King medley is well done and has a good beat. I like that they kept the Elephants on Parade music psychedelic but updated. The underwater segment was odd, but innocuous and a school of rays is always pretty. The Columbia looked really good as the Ghost Ship and I love Hanz Zimmer music. I know people are saying the action is hard to follow, but I know the first time I saw the Peter Pan segment it was also hard to follow. After all this years I now know what happening, but before it was just a bunch of moving far away chaos. The biggest problem is the ending. With Peter Pan it ends with Peter defeating Hook and then we get the happily ever after moment to close Act 1. Now it just ends and the happily ever after feels less deserved. I really don't like the vocals for the princess segment. Removing Snow White and the Evil Queen is obviously a mistake.

                              Seeing Murphy rise from the stage is a gaffe. Mal stretching up to the sky is supposed to be the start of her transformation. Then they hide her behind screens, show the rest of the transformation through video and then the screens drop revealing her fully transformed. Showing her stretch up to the sky and then see her rise from the stage doesn't make visual sense. I know they wanted it because it's dramatic, but they didn't want to loose her rising up into the sky because it is also dramatic. Having both is just weird. They should've chosen one or the other.

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                              • #16


                                I saw the show on Sunday night. Yes, the transition to the POTC could be smoother, but just watching in on YT is far different than actually being at NOS and close to the water. The ship glides by only a few feet away as all the action takes place. It was most impressive and my favorite part.

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                                • #17
                                  It would have been nice if they could have changed up the characters on the Mark Twain in the finale a little more. There were a few changes. Aladdin and Jasmine have new outfits. Tiana, Flynn, and Rapunzel were added. Dwarves and the chimney sweeps are gone. It would have been nice to see a few characters from other films; maybe Baymax, Lilo, Stitch, Robin Hood, and any other characters that aren't currently represented in another attraction. Would be a nice throwback to the original if the pigs made an appearance.

                                  Also, did they replace the exit music with a vocal piece? (I've only watch on YouTube so I'm not sure; will see it in person tomorrow).

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                                  • #18
                                    Hi everyone , first of all I saw the show 3 times now IN PERSON. For some reason reviewing from youtube is not fair because this show is a live exprience.

                                    The new effects, projections, searchlights, and fountains are AMAZING!

                                    What is a let down is the music, it just doesn't make an impact. It lacks power and emotion like the original soundtrack.

                                    -The pirates scene is loud, epic, good....but unfortunately does not flow with the show. Voice acting is bad and the girl screaming is annoying. Also, from animation to live action? Didn't make sense.

                                    -Fantasmic used to be an original soundtrack. Now its copy paste of World of Color and Tokyo Disney Sea Fantasmic . Ugh.

                                    -I'm glad I wasn't the only one in noticing Mickey's voice sounded weird. The acting seemed off and sometimes did not even sound like Mickey.

                                    -The new vocal has a nice voice ...but just not for this show. If they were going to re-record vocals , why not use somebody like for example Eden Espinoza? Remember her voice from the Fireworks show-"Magical"? Imagine that voice in this show....much more impact , right?

                                    -One of the biggest let downs was the princess segment. Aladdin is just out of place flying in front of a barn type house in the middle of the River. The "sky" effect does not work for the Aladdin scene. But the biggest and most terrible mistake was cutting out Snow White. I can't believe that Disney decided to edit such an iconic princess , story, and incredible song. Rapunzel is nice , but not as nostalgic or emotional as SW. The original princess medley was WAY MORE powerful and stronger than this new version. Which leaded to the Evil Queen and made sense that she calls upon evil to invade Mickeys Dream. Now Magic Mirror appears out of nowhere having no point at all. And by the way ,at first ,I did not understand one word the Mirror says to Mickey.

                                    -Maleficent scene now makes no sense, why is she elevating when she is talking to Mickey "now you will deal with me" etc etc....?
                                    -The dragon used to appear out of nowhere , now you can see how they lift him . No good. And Maleficent's laugh sounds echoed through the river , sometimes it seems like the speakers don't work or if they turn off.

                                    -The way Mickey defeats the dragon is AMAZING .

                                    -Finale lacks emotions. Didn't make me cry like the other version. Music sounds off, and fireworks don't build up.

                                    If I had opportunity to create a wishlist , it would be:
                                    -re-record with another female vocal artist . Or use this new one but another take on her high notes.
                                    -bring back Peter Pan and SNOW WHITE!
                                    -Bring back Evil Queen
                                    -Eliminate Aladdin and add in that segment Rapunzel (maybe.... or can jump from Pan to Princess like the old version)
                                    -Tweak the way Maleficent transforms to dragon for it to make more sense.
                                    -Rework finale with more fireworks
                                    --Fix Mickey's voice.
                                    -Exit Music "Imagination" leaves you with nothing. The original exit music left you with the "FANTASMIC" medley in your head and you ran to buy the soundtrack.


                                    Last edited by splash_mtn; 07-18-2017, 12:41 AM.

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                                    • #19
                                      After watching the new show a few times on Youtube, I think I'm ready to write a *temporary* review of my impressions until I have the chance to see it live in 2 weeks.

                                      I grew up watching the original Fantasmic!, and it really clicked for me emotionally. It's not often that something can repeatedly invoke an emotional response from me- but the Fantasmic! could do so. The score, effects, and nuances of the show really helped craft an experience that was like none other.

                                      In 1998 WDW, and then again for Tokyo, Disney tried to recreate Fantasmic!, both times with limited success- while the new versions have their fans, many agree that the Disneyland version was the best. Disney obviously doesn't know what made the '92 original so beloved by fans- and neither do I admittedly, but I'll make a guess.

                                      Due to the lackluster catalogue of Disney animation put out in the '70s and 80s, Disney was forced to rely on classic golden age animation for F!. With the exception of Jungle Book, Little Mermaid, and Beauty and the Beast- all of the animation was produced while Walt was alive. In addition, the show utilized Walt's original park, his Mark Twain, and his Columbia. The show oozes classic Disney, brings movies we all grew up with to life, and was anchored by a score that rivals the likes of Hans Zimmer and John Williams. Fantasmic! brought Walt Disney's work to life- and what better Disney is there?

                                      The new show is better than I thought it would be, and I found myself smiling at parts, and being more forgiving of the changes than I expected. I mean, it's Fantasmic!, and it will always be a good show. This new version didn't disappoint, but I think they missed the mark on a few things that could really tighten up the new iteration.
                                      • They moved mickey's reveal to the first major beat, as opposed to the second. To me, this felt off, and bothered me more than it should. If they were to have Mickey appear on his cue that was literally built into the soundtrack, and revert to some of the original choreography, it could help that intro feel much more impactfull.
                                      • There's to much going on in the Jungle segment. The lion king additions are neat, but originally the scene was subtle, with deep bass- a bit psychedelic, mysterious- this new version is excessively in your face. Instead of projecting over the whole island, I'd tone down the lights, break out some UV Blacklight and laser effects, and make the new music a bit more subdued.
                                      • The new genie segment is neat, and while I l'll likely always prefer the Pinocchio segment, I enjoyed it and was fine with it being added.
                                      • Remove ariel and Nemo from the underwater projection segment- and have it go straight into the Monstro animation.
                                      • Bring back Pirates, with all of the new technology available, the original segment would be amazing. I hated the new dialogue (I mean, who cares about that dang compass, and that womans incessant screaming), the live action stuff being projected felt off, and Pirates doesn't exist in "Mickey's imagination". The transition out of it was especially jarring- Depp "and you'll always remember this as the day you almost caught Captain WOMAN SCREAMS JACCKKKKK sparrow.
                                      • Re record all of the new princess vocals, make them more subtle- this isn't a gospel church. It's Disney, and the new vocals didn't work.
                                      • Don't put Mickey on the tavern to talk to the mirror. That's playing your ace way to early. Bring back the wicked witch, her transformation to the hag was really neat, and will be missed.
                                      • Bring back 2D Tinker Bell before the Mark Twain, this isn't 2010 Disney Channel.
                                      • Just project subdued lasers onto the island as the Mark Twain approaches, before it lights up. Having the island lights on full force take away some of the effect of having the Mark Twain come in near darkness, with the pinwheels on its side.
                                      • Bring back the chimney sweeps on the Twain!
                                      It seems like some are writing off people's critical thoughts on this new show, writing it off as nostalgia. I look at this new version as if they were to take the Haunted Mansion, leave the facade- but gut the classic effects, re record Paul Frees narration, and remake it to bring it to 2017 standards. Yes, it would probably be amazing, but would it be The Haunted Mansion?

                                      When I saw Paint the Night and Remember Dreams Come True- my first thought was "this will be a new classic". This new version didn't seem like a classic to me, and if it exists for 25 years with as few changes as the original had, which only received aesthetic upgrades during its run, I'll be very surprised.

                                      These changes remind me of hte '97 special edition of Star Wars, and it will be interesting to see the reception over the next few years. I hope that enough people are vocal about disliking the Pirates segment, that's probably the biggest issue with this iteration, and if they were to revert back to the Pan segment, it would bring this version up in quality significantly.

                                      I firmly believe that if this new version wasn't so technically impressive, everyone would be kicking and screaming for the original. I wish we could have had the opportunity to see the original backed with all of the new effects installed for this version, and it saddens me that we will likely never see the classic Disney show on the water again. That said, I enjoyed it- but unless I'm blown away when I see it live in a few weeks, it will likely have gone from being a must see, to a "I'll see it if my group wants to".
                                      Last edited by ajburk97; 07-18-2017, 01:15 AM.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by splash_mtn View Post

                                        -Finale lacks emotions. Didn't make me cry like the other version. Music sounds off, and fireworks don't build up.
                                        It's tough for the finale to be epic, when every effect the show has to offer has been running on full blast the entire time.

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