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Re: The Revival of the AA Theatre-Style Attraction
Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostActually, it has many--you should ride it sometime--they are great!
Jungle Cruise had animal figures in 1955. The Submarine Voyage had moving figures in 1959 - they were not Audio Animatronics.
Heck the Calico Mine Ride and Log Ride at Knott's have tons of moving figures, but we don't consider those Audio Animatronics either, do we?
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Originally posted by flynnibus View PostWe must remember that guests are IMPRESSIONABLE and may not always know what they are specifically going to see. You bury something... its going to reflect in the attendance as well.
People at Disneyland will find something if they want to find it. The problem with the bears is that people did not want to find them.
So you're saying the Tiki Room is not walt's first AA attraction?There are so many examples to debunk that claim its not even worthy of listing them.
The figures in the JC are synchronized to a program triggered by events rather then just a fixed time schedule like a POTC is.
The figures in the Jungle Cruise are very simple. When a light sensor is tripped, a motor can power a series of cams and levers that make the figure look like it's moving. It's not following a program. It's about as much of an Audio Animatronic as the dancing Santa at WalMart.
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Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostOpinion presented as fact is tedious and pointless. Additionally, are your unfounded assumptions made by using CBJ's last days as an indicator versus your guess as to Pooh's attendance in its relative 'newness'?
Location is not the problem. The Country Bears closed because the show was not popular.
I suppose you think bad location sunk Mr. Lincoln too.
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Originally posted by MrLiver View PostI think some folks need to go back and find out what the difference between and audio animatronic and a standard mechanical figure.
Jungle Cruise had animal figures in 1955. The Submarine Voyage had moving figures in 1959 - they were not Audio Animatronics.
Heck the Calico Mine Ride and Log Ride at Knott's have tons of moving figures, but we don't consider those Audio Animatronics either, do we?
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Originally posted by MrLiver View PostIf you want to believe that Pooh is not getting better numbers than the Country Bears, that's your prerogative. I simply fail to see why you would believe that to be true, when you can see more people lining up for Pooh, and even when you have CMs saying that the numbers are better.
Location is not the problem. The Country Bears closed because the show was not popular.
I suppose you think bad location sunk Mr. Lincoln too
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The Country Bears show was really tired at the end. I'm glad it's gone, and I really do like Pooh as a replacement.
Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostA terrific point about the quality of AAs themselves. The AAs we see on attractions are certainly less sophisticated than theatre AAs, and this is a shame. I, too, would love to see what a lavishly-funded team of Imagineers could come up with using today's impressive AA technology, and I think others would, as well.
I'd love to see a new theatre type AA ride. I went on the Stitch Encounter thing in Florida a few years ago and it was really neat, there's so much that can be done with sound and modern AA technology that I think they'd have no problem making a good show. I'm not sure if a CBJ show would work where it's just a lot of singing animals for 20 minutes, but I'm positive the Imagineers could come up with something.
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Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostDebating the technical, legal, moral, psychological, spiritual, physiological definition of AA with you does not interest me. We all know what form of entertainment we are making reference to.
Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostLincoln has yet to be 'sunk'
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I think it would be in Disney's best interest to resurrect Lincoln before the end of next year.
2009 marks Abraham Lincoln's 200th birthday and I heard there will be events going on nationally to commemerate this event.
I think starting late next year people are going to start showing a higher than usual interest in Lincoln and so I think it would be fitting to bring it back.
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Originally posted by MrLiver View PostI think it's pretty silly to start a thread questioning the validity of AA shows, when someone doesn't know what an AA actually is.
I certainly hope you are not holding your breath waiting for his return
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Originally posted by The International View Post
I donno, last time I rode Pirates the Jack AAs blew me away.
I'd love to see a new theatre type AA ride. I went on the Stitch Encounter thing in Florida a few years ago and it was really neat, there's so much that can be done with sound and modern AA technology that I think they'd have no problem making a good show. I'm not sure if a CBJ show would work where it's just a lot of singing animals for 20 minutes, but I'm positive the Imagineers could come up with something.
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Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostYou could 'see' only small groups 60+ waiting outside CBJ becuase of the massive capacity, and the enormous inner lobby.
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Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostPlease excuse the unforgivable 'ease of use' with which I use the term. Can we move on now to the actual topic?
Holding my breath in anticipation of Disney returning to the quality story-telling it has built its Empire on seems foolish; so, no I am not.
Sigh.
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Originally posted by MrLiver View PostSure. Hey. If you really miss those AA shows perhaps you can find a Chuck E Cheese that still has it's AA show. Assuming they haven't removed them all.
Ok. I guess we will have to just learn to love rides like Indiana Jones and Tower of Terror instead of waiting for them to produce another America Sings.
Sigh.
Disneyland would not survive if all attractions were IJ and ToT. You're smart Liver, you realize this.
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Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View PostA terrific point about the quality of AAs themselves. The AAs we see on attractions are certainly less sophisticated than theatre AAs, and this is a shame. I, too, would love to see what a lavishly-funded team of Imagineers could come up with using today's impressive AA technology, and I think others would, as well.
Sinbad in TDS, I would have to respectfully disagree.
It has at least 6 Tom Morrow/Barbossa class (probably better) AAs
(every Sinbad) and even the other AAs are much more better articulated than anything I've seen in ANY theatre AA. Also a HUGE AA in the Genie;
both arms move.
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Originally posted by MrLiver View PostI think some folks need to go back and find out what the difference between and audio animatronic and a standard mechanical figure.
Jungle Cruise had animal figures in 1955. The Submarine Voyage had moving figures in 1959 - they were not Audio Animatronics.
Originally posted by MrLiver View PostThere is a difference between producing motion with a cam and lever than with a pre-programmed set of hydraulics.
The figures in the Jungle Cruise are very simple. When a light sensor is tripped, a motor can power a series of cams and levers that make the figure look like it's moving. It's not following a program. It's about as much of an Audio Animatronic as the dancing Santa at WalMart.Last edited by techskip; 11-16-2007, 03:59 PM."Happiness is a Low Water Level"
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Originally posted by Datameister View Post:lol:
Boy, things are heating up around here!
1962- Elephant Pool and African Veldt Added, no animals
- Tiki Room opens and the world meets the AA's
- Elephants put in the pool
- Animals put in the Veldt
- Trapped Safari becomes... well.. trapped
- Hornbill and Crocs added (later removed for Indy)
- Cobras and Bengal tiger added
- Safari Camp added
- Gorilla and Croc added
- Baboons and Lion cave added to Veldt
- Python and Water Buffalos added
- Portion of the Sunken City removed for Indy
- Jungle Boathouse built and Hornbill added to rafters (I believe cobra as well but have not found supporting documentation as to when)
- Third cobra taken down out of the rafters.
- Ginger moved to Sunken City
- Baboons moved to Gorilla Camp
- Explosions added to Gorilla Camp
- Box replaces Ginger
- Piranhas added
- Sam loses mask and gains Ellie (don't even get me started)
- Ucy wheelchair boat premiers
- Gold Congo premiers
This is per the 1980's training manual.
"In the early 60's the word "Audio-Animatronics" was born from a somewhat old Disney idea. Through the years, Walt had toyed with the idea of using animated three-dimensional characters at Disneyland. Several attractions, noteable the Jungle Cruise and Mine Train through Nature's Wonderland, contained three dimensional animals whose features (ears, tails, eyes and so on) wiggled, blinked, and twitched as guests approached and observed them. However, Walt, and his staff were determined to further develop and expand this process, and by 1963 Audio-Animatronics was well on it's way to becoming a whole new form of entertainment...
... Following the success of Audio-Animatronics and the Enchanted Tiki Room, a "new" Jungle Cruise was not far behind. A wide variety of figures, including a bathing herd of elephants, numberous animals in the African Veldt, and a comical trapped Safari were added in 1964, all brought realistically "to life" by Audio-Animatronics, further enhancing the Jungle Cruise show. Additional snakes, birds, gorillas, crocodiles, monkeys, and other animals were again added in 1976 bringing the total number of figures to 121."
History has been, and will always be the greatest teacher... looks like Disney thinks there are AA's in the J.C. someone better call them and let them know they're wrong"Happiness is a Low Water Level"
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