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  • flynnibus
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    Originally posted by idreamofjeani View Post
    Animatronics was not really a new concept with Tiki. They had always existed (whether or not that TERM had yet been thought-of, I am unsure). The only new thing about Tiki was the AUDIO-track control! The figures were being controlled by an audio track on a tape. This track did not actually contain a meaningful sound signal, but rather an analog signal that was stored as though it was sound, but then interpretted as movement. (You could play this track through speakers as sound, and it would work, but would just sound like a bunch of noise). This audio-track storage of movement allowed for complexity in motions because it was such an efficient storage technique compared to other, bigger, more mechanical ways of storing motion data. That was the only reason why it was so innovative.
    The audio portion also relates to the synchronization to an audio track though - not just that they were stored on tape. The use of the audio tape was because it allowed easy synchronization with the playback - the data stored on the tape was 'played' at the same rate as the audio. The storage medium transfered to the DACS when they went digital.

    The uniqueness of Disney was not just that he created animated figures, but the synchronization of the animation to a show automatically. Of course through progression the abilities of the AAs and the advancement of the art is why the technology is still very much attested to Disney.

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  • thrax
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    Cool ideas so far, and the HISTA theatre would be a likely location--a 'Robotic' theme lends itself nicely to AA design.

    I have been thinking about an AA show featuring Disney animated characters. If any of you have seen the A&E program 'Inside the Actor's Studio', you may have a good idea where I am going with this.

    The show is a small-capacity room with a changeable 'panel' of Disney stars to be 'group interviewed' by a human host (who may her/himself be a face character, i.e. Alice, Cruella, Mary Poppins, etc.)

    I see the characters on a dais, seated. Possibly three or four daises created (but only one visible per show) all having a unique set of 8-10 Disney stars (allowing the show a little room for 'repeatability'--different day/time, diffeent dais).

    A sample group may include:




    The open forum could include song, conversation, showing 'clips' of Disney scenes. Even possibly have an interactive portion using a 'Turtle Talk' format.

    This tongue-in-cheek look at Disney Toons would, of course, be located in ToonTown, adding life to a pretty dead, non-engaging area.
    man this is an awsome idea!

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  • Disneyphenom
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    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    I have been thinking about an AA show featuring Disney animated characters. If any of you have seen the A&E program 'Inside the Actor's Studio', you may have a good idea where I am going with this.
    That would be such a great show!! :-D

    Outside of the current debate going on re: what is AA and what is not, I think an AA theater show would still work out well IF its done correctly. At Disneyland, that means it either needs to be a bit more interactive, or at least have a way to make it vary per performance.

    If Tower of Terror (in FL, at least) can have a more "random" drop pattern to make things interesting, why couldn't an AA show?

    I've thought that the formula of House of Mouse would also made an entertaining AA/film show. (Heck, have a back portion where people can watch the show and munch on food ala Golden Horseshoe). Have several different behind-the-scenes stories for the main characters recorded, several musical numbers prepared, and several reels to showcase -- and hit shuffle. Sure, you have the same pattern of Mickey's intro, a cartoon, behind the scenes bit, musical number, etc.etc -- but you don't know what is going to be played. Prepare recordings for several holidays, and you have something that changes each show, year round.

    The idea of an AA show still has a draw today. It just has to be done just right.

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  • idreamofjeani
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    Let me give you my ill-informed, technologically naive personal definition of an AA as it applies to this discussion, so we need not have to endure any more of this ever-so-constructive nitpicking: I use AA as a generic term to refer to animated figures in any form; used in a manner to entertain. This includes 'programmed' figures, as well as 'triggered' figures; speaking and non-speaking.
    It is my very strong impression that Disney also NOW USES this same definition focsle. I believe you are correct! There are manuals throughout the resort that list the various POSSIBLE movements "animatronic" figures can make, from the very simple and mudane (that *could* be done without computers), to the very complex. It's like a motion-menu. Each figure is given a selection of motions depending on what that figure's role in the show demands.

    It's much much easier to just call ALL OF THEM animatronics, than to use that term only of the computer controlled ones, or any other arbitrary restriction like that. I believe that Disney eventually applied the term to all of the figures for this very reason.

    Animatronics was not really a new concept with Tiki. They had always existed (whether or not that TERM had yet been thought-of, I am unsure). The only new thing about Tiki was the AUDIO-track control! The figures were being controlled by an audio track on a tape. This track did not actually contain a meaningful sound signal, but rather an analog signal that was stored as though it was sound, but then interpretted as movement. (You could play this track through speakers as sound, and it would work, but would just sound like a bunch of noise). This audio-track storage of movement allowed for complexity in motions because it was such an efficient storage technique compared to other, bigger, more mechanical ways of storing motion data. That was the only reason why it was so innovative.

    Obviously, these days Disney no longer uses audio tracks to store movements... when they can just use computers and PCMCIA cards instead. So the "Audio Anamatronics" label is now stupid. Just call all 3D moving figures Animatronics in general.

    In summary:
    - If it's physically Animated, and it's 3 dimensional, it' an Animatronic, period. Regardless of how it is controlled (hydraulic fluid, pneumatics, cams, etc).
    - Audio-Animatronics are probably non-existent in any Disney park these days, and have all been upgraded to computer storage and controls, but they are all still Animatronics... they are just not using audio tracks for movement.
    Last edited by idreamofjeani; 11-30-2007, 08:34 PM.

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  • techskip
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    Swab,
    I apologize if I derailed the thread with my decision to elaborate on the AA's of the J.C., the J.C. is something I care a lot about. As far as a theater AA I think there is an opportunity to test your theory about their demise by simply observing if Disney choses to bring Lincoln back or not.

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  • k_peek_2000
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    I would love to see an AA theater show in the future.

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  • techskip
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    Originally posted by Datameister View Post
    :lol:

    Boy, things are heating up around here!
    No just being honest, I apologize if the tone seemed a bit harsh. I tend to be rather defensive of the Jungle. Incidently I forgot to add the specific dates so here.

    1962
    • Elephant Pool and African Veldt Added, no animals
    1963
    • Tiki Room opens and the world meets the AA's
    1964
    • Elephants put in the pool
    • Animals put in the Veldt
    • Trapped Safari becomes... well.. trapped
    1976
    • Hornbill and Crocs added (later removed for Indy)
    • Cobras and Bengal tiger added
    • Safari Camp added
    • Gorilla and Croc added
    • Baboons and Lion cave added to Veldt
    • Python and Water Buffalos added
    1994-95
    • Portion of the Sunken City removed for Indy
    • Jungle Boathouse built and Hornbill added to rafters (I believe cobra as well but have not found supporting documentation as to when)
    2004-05
    • Third cobra taken down out of the rafters.
    • Ginger moved to Sunken City
    • Baboons moved to Gorilla Camp
    • Explosions added to Gorilla Camp
    • Box replaces Ginger
    • Piranhas added
    • Sam loses mask and gains Ellie (don't even get me started)
    • Ucy wheelchair boat premiers
    • Gold Congo premiers
    Unfortunately I do not have the documentation to when Sam was added but I know he was not original.

    This is per the 1980's training manual.
    "In the early 60's the word "Audio-Animatronics" was born from a somewhat old Disney idea. Through the years, Walt had toyed with the idea of using animated three-dimensional characters at Disneyland. Several attractions, noteable the Jungle Cruise and Mine Train through Nature's Wonderland, contained three dimensional animals whose features (ears, tails, eyes and so on) wiggled, blinked, and twitched as guests approached and observed them. However, Walt, and his staff were determined to further develop and expand this process, and by 1963 Audio-Animatronics was well on it's way to becoming a whole new form of entertainment...

    ... Following the success of Audio-Animatronics and the Enchanted Tiki Room, a "new" Jungle Cruise was not far behind. A wide variety of figures, including a bathing herd of elephants, numberous animals in the African Veldt, and a comical trapped Safari were added in 1964, all brought realistically "to life" by Audio-Animatronics, further enhancing the Jungle Cruise show. Additional snakes, birds, gorillas, crocodiles, monkeys, and other animals were again added in 1976 bringing the total number of figures to 121."

    History has been, and will always be the greatest teacher... looks like Disney thinks there are AA's in the J.C. someone better call them and let them know they're wrong

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  • Datameister
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    :lol:

    Boy, things are heating up around here!

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  • techskip
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    Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
    I think some folks need to go back and find out what the difference between and audio animatronic and a standard mechanical figure.

    Jungle Cruise had animal figures in 1955. The Submarine Voyage had moving figures in 1959 - they were not Audio Animatronics.
    First technical mention, creation of the actual word, was the design and implimentation of the Tiki Room which then led to the additions of the Elephant Bathing Pool, Gorilla Camp, and Trapped Safari... Walt specifically requested that this new technology be applied throughout his park and tasked Marc Davis with among other things the J.C. I think your right, someone does need to crack open a history book.

    Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
    There is a difference between producing motion with a cam and lever than with a pre-programmed set of hydraulics.

    The figures in the Jungle Cruise are very simple. When a light sensor is tripped, a motor can power a series of cams and levers that make the figure look like it's moving. It's not following a program. It's about as much of an Audio Animatronic as the dancing Santa at WalMart.
    Really not sure where you are getting your information from but I thought I would be nice enough to correct this as well. some of the OLDER ones are cam & lever, mainly the Hippos and the water buffalo come to mind. Most of the NEW animals are either pneumatic or hydrolic. Also the light sensor you mentioned is tied to a central computer system that syncs zone sound along with the trigger for animal motion which in turn provides that oh so realistic animal movement. So.... any more questions?
    Last edited by techskip; 11-16-2007, 02:59 PM.

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  • nish221
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    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    A terrific point about the quality of AAs themselves. The AAs we see on attractions are certainly less sophisticated than theatre AAs, and this is a shame. I, too, would love to see what a lavishly-funded team of Imagineers could come up with using today's impressive AA technology, and I think others would, as well.
    Swabby, I would have agreed with you five months ago, but after seeing
    Sinbad in TDS, I would have to respectfully disagree.

    It has at least 6 Tom Morrow/Barbossa class (probably better) AAs
    (every Sinbad) and even the other AAs are much more better articulated than anything I've seen in ANY theatre AA. Also a HUGE AA in the Genie;
    both arms move.

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  • fo'c's'le swab
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    Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
    Sure. Hey. If you really miss those AA shows perhaps you can find a Chuck E Cheese that still has it's AA show. Assuming they haven't removed them all.

    Ok. I guess we will have to just learn to love rides like Indiana Jones and Tower of Terror instead of waiting for them to produce another America Sings.

    Sigh.
    Yes, animated robotic characters have varying degrees of sophistication and entertainment value. Shocker. Is a Tempo not a 'car' because it is not a Ferrari? The AA term, as I use it is generic, and yes, would encompass Chuck E Cheese Pizza Time Theatre characters. So what is your point (if any)?

    Disneyland would not survive if all attractions were IJ and ToT. You're smart Liver, you realize this.

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  • MrLiver
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    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    Please excuse the unforgivable 'ease of use' with which I use the term. Can we move on now to the actual topic?
    Sure. Hey. If you really miss those AA shows perhaps you can find a Chuck E Cheese that still has it's AA show. Assuming they haven't removed them all.

    Holding my breath in anticipation of Disney returning to the quality story-telling it has built its Empire on seems foolish; so, no I am not.
    Ok. I guess we will have to just learn to love rides like Indiana Jones and Tower of Terror instead of waiting for them to produce another America Sings.

    Sigh.

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  • EmeralineDragon
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    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    You could 'see' only small groups 60+ waiting outside CBJ becuase of the massive capacity, and the enormous inner lobby.
    I never once went on CBJ as a "walk-on". We always went into the lobby and waited for at least one show before we got to go in...even on days when we had to ask a CM "is Country Bears open? There's no sign of life out here..."

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  • fo'c's'le swab
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    Originally posted by The International View Post

    I donno, last time I rode Pirates the Jack AAs blew me away.

    I'd love to see a new theatre type AA ride. I went on the Stitch Encounter thing in Florida a few years ago and it was really neat, there's so much that can be done with sound and modern AA technology that I think they'd have no problem making a good show. I'm not sure if a CBJ show would work where it's just a lot of singing animals for 20 minutes, but I'm positive the Imagineers could come up with something.
    Agreed. Singing animals may have already had their day. The few bits and pieces we see of current AA technology makes me think a new theatre show would be impressive indeed!!

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  • fo'c's'le swab
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    Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
    I think it's pretty silly to start a thread questioning the validity of AA shows, when someone doesn't know what an AA actually is.
    Let me give you my ill-informed, technologically naive personal definition of an AA as it applies to this discussion, so we need not have to endure any more of this ever-so-constructive nitpicking: I use AA as a generic term to refer to animated figures in any form; used in a manner to entertain. This includes 'programmed' figures, as well as 'triggered' figures; speaking and non-speaking. I hope this clears the matter up. Please excuse the unforgivable 'ease of use' with which I use the term. Can we move on now to the actual topic?


    I certainly hope you are not holding your breath waiting for his return
    Holding my breath in anticipation of Disney returning to the quality story-telling it has built its Empire on seems foolish; so, no I am not.

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  • BigThunder
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    A revised Lincoln show should go to a smaller venue in Frontierland. Something new should come to the Opera House.

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  • DisneyIPresume
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    I think it would be in Disney's best interest to resurrect Lincoln before the end of next year.

    2009 marks Abraham Lincoln's 200th birthday and I heard there will be events going on nationally to commemerate this event.

    I think starting late next year people are going to start showing a higher than usual interest in Lincoln and so I think it would be fitting to bring it back.

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  • MrLiver
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    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    Debating the technical, legal, moral, psychological, spiritual, physiological definition of AA with you does not interest me. We all know what form of entertainment we are making reference to.
    I think it's pretty silly to start a thread questioning the validity of AA shows, when someone doesn't know what an AA actually is.

    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    Lincoln has yet to be 'sunk'
    I certainly hope you are not holding your breath waiting for his return.

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  • The International
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    The Country Bears show was really tired at the end. I'm glad it's gone, and I really do like Pooh as a replacement.

    Originally posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    A terrific point about the quality of AAs themselves. The AAs we see on attractions are certainly less sophisticated than theatre AAs, and this is a shame. I, too, would love to see what a lavishly-funded team of Imagineers could come up with using today's impressive AA technology, and I think others would, as well.
    I donno, last time I rode Pirates the Jack AAs blew me away.

    I'd love to see a new theatre type AA ride. I went on the Stitch Encounter thing in Florida a few years ago and it was really neat, there's so much that can be done with sound and modern AA technology that I think they'd have no problem making a good show. I'm not sure if a CBJ show would work where it's just a lot of singing animals for 20 minutes, but I'm positive the Imagineers could come up with something.

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  • fo'c's'le swab
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    Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
    If you want to believe that Pooh is not getting better numbers than the Country Bears, that's your prerogative. I simply fail to see why you would believe that to be true, when you can see more people lining up for Pooh, and even when you have CMs saying that the numbers are better.
    It is my perrogative, and I furthermore do not misrepresent it as fact. You could 'see' only small groups 60+ waiting outside CBJ becuase of the massive capacity, and the enormous inner lobby. Pooh has an exterior queue I have never seen (or heard of being) filled.
    Location is not the problem. The Country Bears closed because the show was not popular.
    In your opinion. Of course it is also your opinion that JC has no AAs.
    I suppose you think bad location sunk Mr. Lincoln too
    Lincoln has yet to be 'sunk', and not all AA shows merit unlimited engagements. 'Lincoln' may have run its course--that is for Disney to decide, but ultimately, the Public to decide.

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