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  • News Disneyland to discontinue Southern California annual pass – for now

    http://www.sbsun.com/2017/11/20/disn...medium=twitter

  • #2
    I couldn't be happier to see this. It shows Disney is at least acknowledging there's a crowding problem. Hopefully they take the right steps in mitigating those crowds without taking advantage of the demand (we can hope, right??).

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/20...-pass-for-now/

    Edit** The Socal Select will still be available. Seems like they should have suspended both...
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    • #3
      It's a start, but they need to do more. There should be one AP level and they should get rid of the monthly payment program.

      Yes, I know my opinion is not popular, but I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just offering my opinion.

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      • #4
        Yet, many have argued that these AP holders are the most profitable customers. I think we have the definitive answer on that. Disney does not need the lower tier APs to fill the park during the off season anymore. This discount program can and should end.

        I suspect marketing finally saw evidence of what many on this board have been saying all along - the AP pricing structure is causing overcrowding, and chasing away more profitable tourists.

        https://discuss.micechat.com/forum/d...th-the-trouble
        Last edited by BW1; 11-20-2017, 08:14 AM.

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        • #5
          Yes! Im sooo sooo sooo happy! Also the lower tier So Cal Select never seemed to be a problem for crowding. Before they brought back the SoCal Pass the park was light on weekdays. It’s the Sunday Availability that made it so lucrative.

          This is amazing news! I couldn’t be happier! Good job on Disney for removing this. I can’t wait. This literally means Sundays and weekdays will be light again in time. Yay!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PhotoMatt View Post
            It's a start, but they need to do more. There should be one AP level and they should get rid of the monthly payment program.

            Yes, I know my opinion is not popular, but I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just offering my opinion.
            I would be fine with ending the payment plan too, but I doubt it would happen to control crowds. Much more likely Disney would just raise prices. The only way I see the AP payment plan ending is if Disney starts incurring very large administrative costs (payment defaults, collections, etc..). Otherwise, the payment plan is an easy way to make Disneyland more affordable.

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            • #7
              So Cal Select

              I call it ! - Disney nor longer needs those pass !
              To much problem with crowding
              Soaring like an EAGLE !

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bamato View Post
                http://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/20...-pass-for-now/

                Edit** The Socal Select will still be available. Seems like they should have suspended both...

                They will -by the time -Star War Land Open !
                Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                • #9
                  The fact that they eliminated the SoCal Pass but kept SoCal Select tells me they are really worried about the weekend crowds for the upcoming year. I fully expect them to bring back their promotion where they have 3 days for $150 in the spring (or something to that effect). That promotion was a huge hit and the parks were a madhouse on their final weekend. Couple that with the opening of Pixar Pier in the summer and the new fall offerings and Disney has reason to believe every weekend will be busy.

                  As for the crowding, I think Signature-only passes will really curb the crowds, but I could see Disney keeping those and the Deluxe pass just to fill the parks a little bit more.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PhotoMatt View Post
                    It's a start, but they need to do more. There should be one AP level and they should get rid of the monthly payment program.

                    Yes, I know my opinion is not popular, but I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just offering my opinion.
                    Yes it solves the crowding problem, but in my opinion there would be new problems that would take it's place. Such as Disney closing attractions more often to save the money that was lost in revenue or raise ticket prices to even higher amount or worse case crowding eventually comes back. It's like a damn, the water is still there and still needs a place to go.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BW1 View Post
                      Yet, many have argued that these AP holders are the most profitable customers. I think we have the definitive answer on that. Disney does not need the lower tier APs to fill the park during the off season anymore. This discount program can and should end.

                      I suspect marketing finally saw evidence of what many on this board have been saying all along - the AP pricing structure is causing overcrowding, and chasing away more profitable tourists.

                      https://discuss.micechat.com/forum/d...th-the-trouble
                      How does this mean Disney doesn't need them anymore? They aren't discontinuing it, they are capping it. Disney already did this one and then uncapped it. What this is saying, is that these passes are at the number Disney wants them at.

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                      • #12
                        Just a small note because I get the sense some here are confused. Disneyland is suspending sales of the So Cal AP to new customers, but the current roster of So Cal AP holders have the option of renewing. The pass itself hasn't been eliminated and remains valid for entry. There is no reduction in AP holders. Just a desire to not take on more customers at that price level and with those block out dates.

                        This isn't an elimination or rebuke of the Annual Pass program. All it suggests is that the AP tiers all have a maximum number of slots to be sold, and the So Cal AP being the most popular, has hot that maximum.

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                        • #13
                          Thankfully I can still renew our SoCal passes as well as my parking add on.

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                          • #14
                            This won't help much. People will hold onto these APs if there is a monthly plan in place.
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                            • #15
                              I understand that if you have this pass you can renew it. However, how many times can you renew it? Is that only a one time renewal or can you keep renewing? Just curious. I still think its crazy that they offer(ed) 5 different annual passes, a long time ago they only had 3 and the premium pass (with no black out days) was only $500! Those were the days!

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by PhotoMatt View Post
                                It's a start, but they need to do more. There should be one AP level and they should get rid of the monthly payment program.

                                Yes, I know my opinion is not popular, but I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just offering my opinion.
                                I love this idea, I have never done the payment plan, I have always paid upfront, if you can't afford to buy it upfront don't buy it at all

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by kjhorton25 View Post

                                  I love this idea, I have never done the payment plan, I have always paid upfront, if you can't afford to buy it upfront don't buy it at all
                                  Isn't that a bit harsh and uneccessary? Don't blame or criticize the buyer, criticize and blame the seller

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                                  • #18
                                    All annual passes should be eliminated in order to decrease crowd sizes. How do the passes benefit Disney or Anaheim in any way? When we go to Disneyland, we pay for airline tickets, hotel rooms, food and 3 - 5 day passes, but would purchase full price tickets if we had to. When people like me are willing to pay full price for tickets, and there seems to be plenty of us, why provide discount tickets?

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Donald1980 View Post

                                      How does this mean Disney doesn't need them anymore? They aren't discontinuing it, they are capping it. Disney already did this one and then uncapped it. What this is saying, is that these passes are at the number Disney wants them at.
                                      Technically, you are correct. They don't need any MORE cheap APs to fill the park during off peak periods. The greater point is, the entire reason they are capping these specific passes is that these are the least profitable customers, and park capacity is a finite resource.

                                      I think that Disney would be more aggressive with restricting these passes, except that they are mindful of the public relations backlash. By approaching it this way, all of their existing "fans" can keep their passes.

                                      I would be very curious as to what percentage of passes are not renewed each year.

                                      Delphi method: My guess is about 25% of all annual passes. Other guesses?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Edward White View Post
                                        All annual passes should be eliminated in order to decrease crowd sizes. How do the passes benefit Disney or Anaheim in any way? When we go to Disneyland, we pay for airline tickets, hotel rooms, food and 3 - 5 day passes, but would purchase full price tickets if we had to. When people like me are willing to pay full price for tickets, and there seems to be plenty of us, why provide discount tickets?
                                        Have you ever heard of the saying, "Be careful for what you wish for"? The reason I ask, is because when we wish for something and get what we wished for, it rarely turns out the way we expected. Sometimes there is a catch. Eliminating all the income would cause Disney to have to counteract it. This is not the same Disneyland anymore as it was during Walt's day.

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