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  • gary94080
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    Originally posted by Phantomwise View Post
    Btw, does anyone know when one of the planters around the PM support beams was taken out? I'm not usually in that land and was pleasantly surprised to find it gone the last time I was there. Traffic has improved a little around that beam. I wish they would take out the other one too.

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    I think it was a couple of years ago that they took out the concrete pavers and replaced it with cast concrete. I hadn't noticed that the planter was taken out until you mentioned it. I had go and see it for myself. if I remember correctly the planter would have filled most of this shot.
    Last edited by gary94080; 05-20-2018, 11:35 AM.

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  • Phantomwise
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    Originally posted by ajburk97 View Post
    There were many reasons to move it- but I don't think this was one of them. Remember- at the time they thought Rocket Rods was gonna last a lot longer than a year or two, so at the time they weren't planning on having any kinetic energy get lost. I'm guessing that when it became clear that they were gonna move the Rocket Jets, the entrance was the best spot to do it from a spacial standpoint.
    I disagree on there wouldn't have been any kinetic energy lost. Even considering that the Rocket Rods were meant to be permanent, there's a huge difference between brightly colored vehicles consistently coming by and an ugly, black vehicle coming less consistently. I also disagree that the entrance was the best spot spacially. They could have put it anywhere else if they wanted to. In particular, the two Autopia tracks were being redone, they could have spared space to put it there. Heck, they could have just left out a spinner ride completely; that probably would have pleased management! They chose the entrance because it would be more attractive than the Rocket Rods.

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  • Starcade
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    Originally posted by Tomorrowland_1967 View Post

    Huh?
    !
    I believe she was referring to those and I think also a girl fell off the track (72'?) while trying to exit the rides while none fatal the 30 foot drop did cause major injuries and a lawsuit. This as she said didn't immediately effect the ride but new rules put in place from those added to the other issues that she felt made the return of the PM a none starter. This all came up because I had told her how much I wished it would return and she literally chuckled and said everyone says that but it won't happen and then went into the bit about the safety of the track and people climbing it and being killed and lawsuits from deaths etc. She mentioned some in Dis. Corp even nicknamed the PM the "People Killer".

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  • Tomorrowland_1967
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    Originally posted by Starcade View Post
    I think sadly PM pretty much has every reason a ride is removed attached to it:


    - Prior lawsuits from rider deaths ( Friend of our who works for Safety in the Park mentioned those deaths didn't immediately effect the removal but created barriers that made a return difficult once it was removed )
    Huh?

    Sorry ... this is sounding nonsensical.

    There were two deaths - 1 in 1967. The other during a grad night in 1980. Had nothing to due with safety ... and how could the family's sue? Both were from kids who thought they'd horse around .. by climbing out. So that's a normal thing you'd do in any DL ride?? The judge would have thrown it out. It's called being irresponsible and negligence. The PM was closed throughout a good part of 1968 to keep us monkeys from trying to pull the same prank again. It worked. But 13 years later .. someone got craftier ... and Disneyland (in turn) had to get craftier and improve the railings for all 62 trains.



    those deaths didn't immediately effect the removal but created barriers that made a return difficult once it was removed
    The second set of cages (added in 1985) worked just fine. No reported deaths or anyone successful at climbing out of the attraction for the next 10 years, it existed.

    Safety DURING THE RIDE was never a question ....... It's when there's an emergency stop that happens ... and people need to evacuate.

    I actually remember at least 1 instance ... I saw an emergency stop of the PM. People escorted with the aid of CMs to the emergency exit points in the carousel theater, or circle vision.

    But now we live in a different era where emergency exit protocol that worked fine then ... is not enough today.

    That's your tax dollars at work - With over doing it!

    I think the reworking of minor bridges going over a stream from Sleeping Beauty Castle to under Adventureland's entrance ... To the added ugly railing upstairs to Golden Horseshoe Revue ... and the rot iron railings over an already sufficient barrier going into the castle from falling into the castle moat was such overkill. Makes me wonder what's next? Wrapping you up in bubble wrap upon entry into DL?!!
    Last edited by Tomorrowland_1967; 04-25-2018, 03:10 AM.

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  • Starcade
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    Originally posted by Blue Lagoon View Post

    No tunneling would be done. If what’s being talked about were done, the cut and cover method of construction would be used. It’s the way much of the subway in Manhattan (and the outer boroughs) in New York were originally built.
    Even using Cut & Cover the amount of sub ground untilities that would have to be moved and disrupted as well as cutting off Toon Town & IASW for an extended period. Both Electric and Water lines are criss crossing that area at various depth and cannot simply be cut out and removed they often need to be moved along with repeaters and pumps to deal with any added length or re-routes. Ding all this just for one ride still makes this plan seem to be about a 2% possibility imho. I would love to be wrong but sadly I do not think I am.

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  • ajburk97
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    Originally posted by Sprig View Post

    Well, I can say that I have created a new PM rumor thread here on MiceChat the last few years; and I think I'm the only one to do so with actual photos.

    And, oh, I do have a couple more photos I could share!

    While I believe Disneyland has it's own special magic, I'm not so certain that it is Mary Poppins who flies over Tomorrow Land to make new paint and hardware install itself; pretty certain that her flight plan would be limited to FL or maybe NOS.

    I'm sorry, but this comment makes no sense. What do you mean?

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  • ajburk97
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    Originally posted by Nirya View Post

    The rumor was part of the original Star Wars plans to have it take over Tomorrowland, with the speeder bikes taking the PM track while an Ewok village took over where Autopia is. These plans eventually morphed until Star Wars was given its own land. There were also rumors prior to this of a Tron-based lightcycle ride taking over the PM track. This concept eventually morphed into the Tron Lightcycle coaster that exists in Shanghai and is coming to WDW in the future.
    I'm aware of what the rumors were- but I don't know how far they actually got inside Disney. These rumors could have originated from a leaked pitch, that had little actual development behind it.

    Galaxy's Edge doesn't seem to have much resemblance to what the original rumor for Star Wars Land was- making me wonder how far into development the Tomorrowland Star Wars project was before being scrapped- with the forums blowing it way out of proportion.

    The idea of a Tron Lightcycle attraction has been thrown around for as long as I can remember, but I don't think Shangai's iteration morphed from a potential Anaheim version- Shanghai is a fully fledged roller coaster and bears no resemblance to what would have been considered for the Peoplemover tracks.

    The common reasons Disney fans throw around for the lack of the Peoplemover's return are that the structure doesn't meet current codes (you can reach out and touch the wall in places, ADA, etc.) or that the structure is unsound and unsafe after years of neglect. If there were actual developed attractions designed to utilize the tracks developed and considered in the last decade, they would have had to take any of these issues into account. Which means that the possibility of a new attraction using those tracks is feasible- but if those rumors are just hearsay and wishful thinking being blown out of proportion on the forums, than that lessens the possibility of those tracks being utilized.
    Last edited by ajburk97; 04-24-2018, 12:28 AM.

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  • Sprig
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    Originally posted by ajburk97 View Post
    ...I'd be curious to find out how many pitches and attempts there have been to revive the Peoplemover in the last 20 years?
    Well, I can say that I have created a new PM rumor thread here on MiceChat the last few years; and I think I'm the only one to do so with actual photos.

    And, oh, I do have a couple more photos I could share!

    While I believe Disneyland has it's own special magic, I'm not so certain that it is Mary Poppins who flies over Tomorrow Land to make new paint and hardware install itself; pretty certain that her flight plan would be limited to FL or maybe NOS.


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  • Nirya
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    Originally posted by ajburk97 View Post
    I remember before Galaxy's Edge was announced, there were rumors circulating about a speeder bike ride going onto the People Mover tracks with a Star Wars Tomorrowland redo.

    Does anyone know how accurate these rumors were? If this was actually developed, then scrapped? Or if it was just something someone pitched once and Micechat caught wind, but was never given any real development?

    I know it's different- but with the Hatbox Ghost, there had been pitches and attempts to bring it back for years- some more serious than others. I'd be curious to find out how many pitches and attempts there have been to revive the Peoplemover in the last 20 years?
    The rumor was part of the original Star Wars plans to have it take over Tomorrowland, with the speeder bikes taking the PM track while an Ewok village took over where Autopia is. These plans eventually morphed until Star Wars was given its own land. There were also rumors prior to this of a Tron-based lightcycle ride taking over the PM track. This concept eventually morphed into the Tron Lightcycle coaster that exists in Shanghai and is coming to WDW in the future.

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  • ajburk97
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    I remember before Galaxy's Edge was announced, there were rumors circulating about a speeder bike ride going onto the People Mover tracks with a Star Wars Tomorrowland redo.

    Does anyone know how accurate these rumors were? If this was actually developed, then scrapped? Or if it was just something someone pitched once and Micechat caught wind, but was never given any real development?

    I know it's different- but with the Hatbox Ghost, there had been pitches and attempts to bring it back for years- some more serious than others. I'd be curious to find out how many pitches and attempts there have been to revive the Peoplemover in the last 20 years?

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  • ajburk97
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    Originally posted by Sprig View Post
    Was not my idea. There are videos of imagineers and others stating that guests would go from ride vehicle to ride vehicle; never specifying it would be the same type of ride vehicle.

    This is all just speculation on my part. The lightning bolt is where I suspect the prime target area to remove PM track sections. However, the star shows an area of PM track that appears to not have had the rails refurbished; and no intention to. This leads me to think I am wrong about the location for at least one of the tunnel exits.
    This sounds less like speculation, and more like wishful thinking. I haven't seen anything that makes me think they're planning on bringing back the People Mover, or planning on building a new one that tunnels under the park to Star Wars Land.

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  • Sprig
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    Originally posted by WaltDisney'sAlec View Post
    ...just found something for an Automatic Transfer Switch replacement. Seems like some minor electrical work...

    https://twitter.com/DLthings/status/988436296728113152
    I'm an electronics guy, and not to bad with electrical, so this was a no-brainer for me. But, then I realized not everyone has my background so I thought I would share this:

    An Automatic Transfer Switch (ATS) is often installed where a backup generator is located, so that the generator may provide temporary electrical power if the utility source fails.
    https://nypost.com/2017/12/27/guests...-power-outage/

    This was not long ago, the end of December last year.

    With the MULE for the Monorail, I think it can go "get" the monorail trains, as I believe it is powered by diesel fuel.

    It would really suck if the power went out on the new PM ride vehicles at some locations. It sorta makes good sense to be able provide Aux power to call the ride vehicles to a safe de-boarding station.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by Sprig View Post
    TDA is being extremely secrative about the three plus years they have been refurbishing the rails. The fact that they took the effort to paint faux rust on them, not once, but twice! shows me how much they want to keep it a secret.
    Fact: Disney hasn't been secretly refurbishing the PeopleMover rails or painting faux rust on them.

    Fact: the abandoned PeopleMover is in Tomorrowland. The belief that Disney is refurbishing the rails and painting faux rust on them is Fantasyland.

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  • Sprig
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    Originally posted by Starcade View Post
    Also I do not see going from one ride to another while also splicing in guest into just one ride or the other. I see a queue flow issue that this would cause being a mess.
    Was not my idea. There are videos of imagineers and others stating that guests would go from ride vehicle to ride vehicle; never specifying it would be the same type of ride vehicle.



    This is all just speculation on my part. The lightning bolt is where I suspect the prime target area to remove PM track sections. However, the star shows an area of PM track that appears to not have had the rails refurbished; and no intention to. This leads me to think I am wrong about the location for at least one of the tunnel exits.

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  • BNSF1995
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    You think they're tearing down the tracks to replace them with new tracks for a new PeopleMover?

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  • Blue Lagoon
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    Originally posted by Starcade View Post

    ....the thought of a tunnel being bored all the way under a 3rd of the park while dodging all of the existing infrustructure is also going to be insanely costly and tricky while providing a very unappealing scenario for many guests. . All this for a single attraction is just not something I see as realistic. I would love to be wrong and for it to happen but the ROI just doesn't add up.
    No tunneling would be done. If what’s being talked about were done, the cut and cover method of construction would be used. It’s the way much of the subway in Manhattan (and the outer boroughs) in New York were originally built.

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  • Starcade
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    Originally posted by Sprig View Post
    ...The vehicle would end up at the bottom of the big hole that was dug for SWGE....

    ...Each end tied into one end of the existing PM tracks that are going to be removed. The new sections of PM track will be mostly underground.
    I still do not see how feasible it would be to run underground from the Jet Boats pond to the center of SWGE that would definitely require a tunnel more then a trench with a roof as you earlier stated. Could you do a screenshot of a google map and draw a line on the image for the path you are hoping for?

    Also I do not see going from one ride to another while also splicing in guest into just one ride or the other. I see a queue flow issue that this would cause being a mess.

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  • Sprig
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    Originally posted by Starcade View Post
    ...Where would you resurface?
    At, or near, the same location. The vehicle would not come back above ground until it loops back. The vehicle would end up at the bottom of the big hole that was dug for SWGE. You would then leave the PM ride vehicle and enter the next ride vehicle.

    Interesting enough, that location is nearby the part of the building that looks like it will be a themed launch/landing bay.

    Just so that I am clear, I speculate that the new tracks will be for the most part side by side. Each end tied into one end of the existing PM tracks that are going to be removed. The new sections of PM track will be mostly underground. The rumor that the PM tracks are going to be taken down fits with what I think they are up to. They just are not going to remove all sections of the PM tracks.

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  • Starcade
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    Originally posted by Sprig View Post

    It does not have to be "tunnel". Just like the Subs, it can be a trench with roof/ceiling. The only section that needs to be load bearing is the Parade Route.
    So I assume you are speculating going under the parade route at the old jet boat lading area ? Where would you resurface?

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  • Sprig
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    Originally posted by WaltDisney'sAlec View Post
    ...Seems like some minor electrical work, but nothing really giving away when/how the tracks are being removed or rebuilt...
    I did take note that the permit states "replace" and not "remove". And it doesn't make sense to replace it if the whole structure is going to be torn down in the next few months.

    It is interesting that the permit lists Rocket Rods instead of PM.

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