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    Nesboy43
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  • Nesboy43
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    Originally posted by BiggestDisneyFan View Post

    Lassetter certainly seemed drunk on stage. I think that may have had to do with foreknowledge of his upcoming shelving because pf his being 'too huggy'. If it was already known that he would soon be dismissed, then all clout he once had was already gone.




    That's a matter of opinion. While the tower now seems to be kind of an eyesore and out of place (more so than the original TOT was) when viewed from other areas of DCA, it is consisted with the appearance of the environment from which it comes (see the junk planet from Thor Ragnarok), so I'm not sure why Kevin Feige would object to it. Also, I think that a lot of people make the appearance out to be a bit worse than it really is, in part because they are upset about it replacing the original which was very popular.
    That could be true about Lassetter.

    In regards to Mission Breakout. I was not referring to the appearance of the ride from the outside, but the ride itself. If Kevin has some big push with Marvel and has control and final say on such things, why is the ride so cheaply made and such a poor experience?

    Joe Rhode was involved in Breakout as well. If it is anything to go by Marvel Land should be just as cheap. Not that I'm blaming Joe because I know it's not up to him but I'm surprised he doesn't mind attaching his name to such cheap attractions as it makes his career look worsened.

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  • BiggestDisneyFan
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  • BiggestDisneyFan
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    Originally posted by Nesboy43 View Post
    Lets not forget about Lassetter also being part of Pixar Pier, he was on stage drunk to announce it in fact and was hollering and screaming about it. So I think he definitely lost the quality and creative touch he had.
    Lassetter certainly seemed drunk on stage. I think that may have had to do with foreknowledge of his upcoming shelving because pf his being 'too huggy'. If it was already known that he would soon be dismissed, then all clout he once had was already gone.


    Originally posted by Nesboy43 View Post
    Yet <Kevin Feige> was fine with Guardian's of the Galaxy Mission Breakout? Either he has no pull or does not care about the parks.
    That's a matter of opinion. While the tower now seems to be kind of an eyesore and out of place (more so than the original TOT was) when viewed from other areas of DCA, it is consisted with the appearance of the environment from which it comes (see the junk planet from Thor Ragnarok), so I'm not sure why Kevin Feige would object to it. Also, I think that a lot of people make the appearance out to be a bit worse than it really is, in part because they are upset about it replacing the original which was very popular.
    BiggestDisneyFan
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    Last edited by BiggestDisneyFan; 10-03-2018, 12:29 PM.

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  • Nesboy43
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    Lets not forget about Lassetter also being part of Pixar Pier, he was on stage drunk to announce it in fact and was hollering and screaming about it. So I think he definitely lost the quality and creative touch he had.

    Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post
    I'm not sure about Wakanada being put in DCA as it is still a "new" franchise. Normally franchises have to wait a few years before getting an attraction in the parks.

    When it does come, I have a feeling they'll choose Epcot or the Animal Kingdom for a Wakanda land.



    False, I bring you....Kevin Feige.

    Feige has been the man leading Marvel Studios for the last decade, and has the brought in billions for the company. Feige also doesn't put up with nonsense. Period.

    When Civil War (Captain America 3) was in production, Feige was dealing with issues from Marvel's CFO Ike Perlmutter and Marvel's "Creative Committee". The issues were so bad he went to IGER, and threatened to quit his Job.
    Iger upgraded Feige's job, where he only has to report to Disney film head, Alan Horn, eliminating oversight from the committee.

    So if, Feige hears about a Cheapened Marvel Land compared to the Extravagant Galaxy's Edge, you know heads are going to roll.
    Yet he was fine with Guardian's of the Galaxy Mission Breakout? Either he has no pull or does not care about the parks.

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  • Spongeocto4
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    I'm not sure about Wakanada being put in DCA as it is still a "new" franchise. Normally franchises have to wait a few years before getting an attraction in the parks.

    When it does come, I have a feeling they'll choose Epcot or the Animal Kingdom for a Wakanda land.

    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    There is no such heavy-hitter creative in the Company who can demand and get the standards for Marvel Land that Cameron did for Avatarland and Lasseter did for Carsland. And forget about Marvel's execs fighting Iger and Chapek for bigger budgets and higher creative quality -- that's not their gig.
    False, I bring you....Kevin Feige.

    Feige has been the man leading Marvel Studios for the last decade, and has the brought in billions for the company. Feige also doesn't put up with nonsense. Period.

    When Civil War (Captain America 3) was in production, Feige was dealing with issues from Marvel's CFO Ike Perlmutter and Marvel's "Creative Committee". The issues were so bad he went to IGER, and threatened to quit his Job.
    Iger upgraded Feige's job, where he only has to report to Disney film head, Alan Horn, eliminating oversight from the committee.

    So if, Feige hears about a Cheapened Marvel Land compared to the Extravagant Galaxy's Edge, you know heads are going to roll.

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  • BiggestDisneyFan
    Proud of my erate view

  • BiggestDisneyFan
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    Originally posted by Co Foo View Post
    My feeling is that Wakanda itself isn't generalizeable enough for a Marvel land. Even though the climactic scenes from Infinity War are set there, I think it's associated too heavily with just one character.
    Yep. Any land that is supposed to support the Marvel stories and characters, in general, will likely be a cityscape from the US. Perhaps some part of it or one attraction could represent Wakanda.

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  • biggsworth
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    I just want them to put in a lot of shade somehow. DCA is already so bare feeling.

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  • sbk1234
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    For what it's worth, the rumors I've heard have it being like an Avengers training camp. I suppose that could work if done well. Personally, I'm not too excited about it. But maybe my low expectations will allow me to be pleasantly surprised.

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  • Fctiger
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    Originally posted by datbates View Post
    I just want them to keep the jungle feel of Bugs Land. I can still be cheap. Lots of plant life is not super expensive. I would be sad if they did a copy of Universal's Marvel Land from Florida. I just don't think they will go neon and blacktop... I really don't think it will happen.
    I wouldn't hold my breath on that. I have a feeling they will raze all of that for a more city type of approach. And I think that will be fine just as long as it's better than what they did with IOA. But |OA still has Spider-Man. I can't wait until we see some design work. I'm glad Rhodes is working on it though so that has excited me a bit more.

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  • datbates
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  • datbates
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    I just want them to keep the jungle feel of Bugs Land. I can still be cheap. Lots of plant life is not super expensive. I would be sad if they did a copy of Universal's Marvel Land from Florida. I just don't think they will go neon and blacktop... I really don't think it will happen.

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  • Eagleman
    Lord of the Sky

  • Eagleman
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    Originally posted by Golden Zephyr View Post
    Now we are in the age of Chapek, and that means cheap. I suspect that Marvelland will be a PixarPier level of quality at best.
    Chapek=Cheap - Another words, don't expect much

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  • Golden Zephyr
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  • Golden Zephyr
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    As senior as Joe is, he takes orders from the top like everyone else. He's nowhere near the level on the corporate hierarchy as John was as "Chief Creative Officer," and even he had to fight tooth-and-nail to keep Iger's sharp-pencil boys from slashing the budget on Carsland.

    Given management's belief that it's the brand that draws in the customers, given the budget pressures from the expenditures for Star Wars Land and the Fox acquisition, given Chapek's record of cheapness, and (most importantly) given the years of proof that no matter how cheap and cheesy the offering, the customers will still crowd the DLR in ever-growing numbers, it wouldn't be surprising if management ordered Joe to deliver a "Marvel Land Lite" -- a low-rent combination of painted backdrops, character meets-and-greets, merchandise stores, fast-food restaurants, a parade, maybe a stage play or street theater, and no rides.

    Comparisons to Avatarland don't apply. If it hadn't been for the hands-on involvement and protection of the franchise's owner and creator, James Cameron, you can bet that Joe's marching orders -- and his budget -- would have been very different. Even more so if Avatarland had been greenlit under Chapek instead of Tom Staggs, whose idea it was.

    There is no such heavy-hitter creative in the Company who can demand and get the standards for Marvel Land that Cameron did for Avatarland and Lasseter did for Carsland. And forget about Marvel's execs fighting Iger and Chapek for bigger budgets and higher creative quality -- that's not their gig.
    This is a very good point. Cameron is notoriously perfectionistic, he would never sign on to something that he felt "cheapened" his vision. He is a director of incredible focus and vision. Lasseter as well had the clout to demand the details. Yet, now we are in the age of Chapek, and that means cheap. I suspect that Marvelland will be a PixarPier level of quality at best.

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  • JerrodDRagon
    Adventure First, Ad Last

  • JerrodDRagon
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    No, it will be more Avenger Themed....more like an small "city" or Training area than a real location from the movies or comics

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    As senior as Joe is, he takes orders from the top like everyone else. He's nowhere near the level on the corporate hierarchy as John was as "Chief Creative Officer," and even he had to fight tooth-and-nail to keep Iger's sharp-pencil boys from slashing the budget on Carsland.

    Given management's belief that it's the brand that draws in the customers, given the budget pressures from the expenditures for Star Wars Land and the Fox acquisition, given Chapek's record of cheapness, and (most importantly) given the years of proof that no matter how cheap and cheesy the offering, the customers will still crowd the DLR in ever-growing numbers, it wouldn't be surprising if management ordered Joe to deliver a "Marvel Land Lite" -- a low-rent combination of painted backdrops, character meets-and-greets, merchandise stores, fast-food restaurants, a parade, maybe a stage play or street theater, and no rides.

    Comparisons to Avatarland don't apply. If it hadn't been for the hands-on involvement and protection of the franchise's owner and creator, James Cameron, you can bet that Joe's marching orders -- and his budget -- would have been very different. Even more so if Avatarland had been greenlit under Chapek instead of Tom Staggs, whose idea it was.

    There is no such heavy-hitter creative in the Company who can demand and get the standards for Marvel Land that Cameron did for Avatarland and Lasseter did for Carsland. And forget about Marvel's execs fighting Iger and Chapek for bigger budgets and higher creative quality -- that's not their gig.

    Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 10-01-2018, 05:34 PM.

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  • Co Foo
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    My feeling is that Wakanda itself isn't generalizeable enough for a Marvel land. Even though the climactic scenes from Infinity War are set there, I think it's associated too heavily with just one character.

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  • biggsworth
    MiceChatter

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    If they pulled off something to the level Pandora is that would be amazing. Given the short timeline though I am not counting on it.

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  • datbates
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  • datbates
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    Will Marvel Land be Wakanda?

    I was just listening to an interview with Joe Rhode and they mentioned that he's going to be doing Marvel Land. I thought about an environment that would work for Marvel and be interesting that would interest Joe Rhode. I am starting to think that it's going to be Avatarland part two based on Wakanda from the Black Panther movie. Joe Rhode will probably do tech jungle because historically all his efforts have that style (Mexico Pavilion, Animal Kingdom, Adventurer's Club). I’m now kinda excited about it. They keep the jungle vibe of Bugs Land and add the high tech. Adventureland of DCA.

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