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    With Disney+ coming down the pipe there is also a massive need for content to fill the endless hours of streaming people expect for a monthly sub. We have already seen a lot of new things, as well as the removal of the vault system, meaning classics will be more readily available. On top of this there is always the chance that a lot of the older IPs from the 80s and 90s make a come back as well, maybe not in the same vein as Ducktales with full reboots, but certainly as accessible streaming options on Disney+.

    All that being said, do you think the reawakening of these products will in turn extend the shelf life of some of the older attractions in the parks? For example, I know what Gadget's Coaster is referring to, but I bet almost everyone in that ride's target demographic has no clue. The same can be said for Tarzan's Treehouse as that attraction and film quickly move into their 30s; a well known entity but certainly a fading star. Disneyland is "not a museum" but keeping attractions around is also much cheaper than replacing. There is also something to be said for keeping some of the older character IPs around.

    While I am sure this will not apply to every single more obscure entity in the parks I wonder which rides will have a bit of a renaissance as a result of some late night or suggested streaming content.

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    I'd love a new series on the original WED designers, and Disneyland design up through the '90s. Especially since many of the major Imagineers from the '80s and '90s are still around. If made by the right people, it could be an excellent series that helps the next generation have an appreciation for Disneyland that extends beyond the $20 popcorn bucket Disney is selling.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by linkeq2001 View Post
      ...While I am sure this will not apply to every single more obscure entity in the parks I wonder which rides will have a bit of a renaissance as a result of some late night or suggested streaming content.
      It's a good question. We can't know the answer, but we can be assured of the decision process: Disney will invest time and money in only those IPs which are already highly popular, highly adaptable to multi-platform synergy, and highly likely to turn a quick profit. Chapek, as head of Disney Parks and the Company's top consumer products marketing expert, will have the biggest say in it; Iger is likely to defer to him.

      "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
      together with every variety of recreation and fun,
      designed to appeal to everyone."

      - Walt Disney

      "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
      - Michael Eisner

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

        It's a good question. We can't know the answer, but we can be assured of the decision process: Disney will invest time and money in only those IPs which are already highly popular, highly adaptable to multi-platform synergy, and highly likely to turn a quick profit. Chapek, as head of Disney Parks and the Company's top consumer products marketing expert, will have the biggest say in it; Iger is likely to defer to him.
        It was a good Question.......
        I sure Disney would go with IP that would make money for them....
        even changing attractions at the parks........
        Basically that the road they on now
        Chapek have turn rides and attraction , into billboards IMO
        Soaring like an EAGLE !

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

          It's a good question. We can't know the answer, but we can be assured of the decision process: Disney will invest time and money in only those IPs which are already highly popular, highly adaptable to multi-platform synergy, and highly likely to turn a quick profit. Chapek, as head of Disney Parks and the Company's top consumer products marketing expert, will have the biggest say in it; Iger is likely to defer to him.
          That's not always true for everything. The parks are certainly feeling that push, but other smaller passion projects are coming to creation. Ducktales on DisneyXD has now moved into a lengthy second season, it has no ride, minimal merchandising, and no major push but clearly has some money vested in it to make it go.

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          • #6
            I think that is putting the cart before the horse. We don't what the entirety Disney is planning for Disney+ or if they will pull things off from time to time. So its hard gauge anything yet.

            In addition, Disney Parks is normally one of the last ones to get to use IPs. It's more of a 'if it's sucessful in the long run, then it will get some parks involvenent in several years. To get a better idea, Big Hero 6, Zootopia and Moana are just NOW just getting theme park attractions(None of them in Anaheim, BTW), despite being released 3 or more years ago .


            Originally posted by linkeq2001 View Post
            Ducktales on DisneyXD has now moved into a lengthy second season, it has no ride, minimal merchandising, and no major push but clearly has some money vested in it to make it go.
            And that leads to the hardest IPs to use in the parks, TV Series, due to their longevity being hard to predict. This is why the Playhouse Disney show in DCA, has to be redone every several years.

            Yes, Ducktales could become an Attraction, as it was an already established franchise. However any new original tv series have a harder chance to get into the parks than compared to Movies.

            This is likely why we never got a Bueno Nacho Restaurant in Downtown Disney(Kim Possible reference.)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post
              I think that is putting the cart before the horse. We don't what the entirety Disney is planning for Disney+ or if they will pull things off from time to time. So its hard gauge anything yet.

              In addition, Disney Parks is normally one of the last ones to get to use IPs. It's more of a 'if it's sucessful in the long run, then it will get some parks involvenent in several years. To get a better idea, Big Hero 6, Zootopia and Moana are just NOW just getting theme park attractions(None of them in Anaheim, BTW), despite being released 3 or more years ago .




              And that leads to the hardest IPs to use in the parks, TV Series, due to their longevity being hard to predict. This is why the Playhouse Disney show in DCA, has to be redone every several years.

              Yes, Ducktales could become an Attraction, as it was an already established franchise. However any new original tv series have a harder chance to get into the parks than compared to Movies.

              This is likely why we never got a Bueno Nacho Restaurant in Downtown Disney(Kim Possible reference.)
              Ducktales at least has a legacy to adults as well as kids now. That being said, it's rough to make a ride out of it, because honestly, the best use of the IP in ride form would be pretty similar to "Temple of the Forbidden Eye", but with Ducktales characters in it.
              "Have I gone mad?"
              "I'm afraid so. You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are. "

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              • #8
                Originally posted by linkeq2001 View Post
                That's not always true for everything. The parks are certainly feeling that push, but other smaller passion projects are coming to creation. Ducktales on DisneyXD has now moved into a lengthy second season, it has no ride, minimal merchandising, and no major push but clearly has some money vested in it to make it go.
                I agree about the other segments, but for the domestic parks, Ducktales doesn't seem like a big enough profit generator to warrant an attraction. Maybe a parade entry or a temp "presence" a la Afternoon Avenue.

                "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                designed to appeal to everyone."

                - Walt Disney

                "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                - Michael Eisner

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

                  I agree about the other segments, but for the domestic parks, Ducktales doesn't seem like a big enough profit generator to warrant an attraction. Maybe a parade entry or a temp "presence" a la Afternoon Avenue.
                  ""I know how you feel""" -about Afternoon Disney Avenue......LL
                  Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                  • #10
                    New Adventures of Mr Toad.
                    "Disneyland is a work of love. We didn't go into Disneyland just with the idea of making money." - ​Walt Disney

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by greenalfonzo View Post
                      New Adventures of Mr Toad.
                      That would be FUN
                      (Again....just driving on streets today.....is like being on Mr. Toad Wild Ride......)
                      Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DisneySpaceAce View Post

                        Ducktales at least has a legacy to adults as well as kids now. That being said, it's rough to make a ride out of it, because honestly, the best use of the IP in ride form would be pretty similar to "Temple of the Forbidden Eye", but with Ducktales characters in it.
                        I think you just gave Disney an idea for their next overlay -- Ducktales takeover of Indy

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wlc View Post

                          I think you just gave Disney an idea for their next overlay -- Ducktales takeover of Indy
                          This has the potential to replace Pirates Lair at Tom Sawyer's Island as the best IP within an IP.

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                          • #14
                            Just curious. Has Disney announced what will be available in Disney+? They say their entire catalog, but we know that won't be the case (Song of the South).

                            Also, are we going to get the original content, or the PC re-edit (Pecos Bill)?

                            Just wondering. Too many unknowns for me before I pull the trigger and order.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stovk View Post
                              Just curious. Has Disney announced what will be available in Disney+? They say their entire catalog, but we know that won't be the case (Song of the South).

                              Also, are we going to get the original content, or the PC re-edit (Pecos Bill)?

                              Just wondering. Too many unknowns for me before I pull the trigger and order.
                              Starting in 1998, the masters of Pecos Bill for U.S. distribution had all the cigarette business removed. The chance that Disney+ will air the original version is practically zero. The only way to get the unedited version is to buy a VHS or Laserdisc of Melody Time, or a Region 2 DVD (and Region 2 player).


                              "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                              it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                              together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                              designed to appeal to everyone."

                              - Walt Disney

                              "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                              - Michael Eisner

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

                                Starting in 1998, the masters of Pecos Bill for U.S. distribution had all the cigarette business removed. The chance that Disney+ will air the original version is practically zero. The only way to get the unedited version is to buy a VHS or Laserdisc of Melody Time, or a Region 2 DVD (and Region 2 player).

                                I wouldn't necessarily say that. Saludos Amigos was similarly edited in the late 1990s (specifically, a shot of Goofy smoking was digitally altered). However, the recent DMC blu-ray of the feature is uncut with Goofy fully enjoying his drag, and I think that this newer HD version is the one that is available digitally as well. For that matter, Make Mine Music, the film that arguably suffered the most from Disney's heavy-handed editing in the 90s, played uncut on my cable system's Disney on-demand section a few years ago. So, should Melody Time ever make a digital resurgence, my guess is the the film would likely be uncut, but I wouldn't guarantee that assertion either.
                                Walt would have loved GE as much as he loved the orange groves.

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                                • #17
                                  ^ One can always hope. It'd be great to have an uncut Blu-Ray of Melody Time.
                                  "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                                  it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                                  together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                                  designed to appeal to everyone."

                                  - Walt Disney

                                  "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                                  - Michael Eisner

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                                    ^ One can always hope. It'd be great to have an uncut Blu-Ray of Melody Time.
                                    Agreed. In the 1990s, these films were still being treated as mass-market films so there was some "Think of the children" hysteria. Twenty years later, these films are now considered more the domain of the Disney scholar and enthusiast so the company isn't as concerned now. Of course, the executives that likely made these decisions are likely long gone. On the other hand, I wouldn't count on seeing an uncut Fantasia, but as much as I hate censorship the edit in that case is more understandable.
                                    Walt would have loved GE as much as he loved the orange groves.

                                    Live from beautiful downtown Batuu, Iger and Chapek present GE.

                                    Calling Star Wars "Disney" is the same as calling American Flyer "Lionel"

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Zorro View Post
                                      Agreed. In the 1990s, these films were still being treated as mass-market films so there was some "Think of the children" hysteria. Twenty years later, these films are now considered more the domain of the Disney scholar and enthusiast so the company isn't as concerned now. Of course, the executives that likely made these decisions are likely long gone. On the other hand, I wouldn't count on seeing an uncut Fantasia, but as much as I hate censorship the edit in that case is more understandable.
                                      Yep. And even more influential on making classic Disney animation kid-safe was Michael himself. A former head of ABC Children's TV, he had barely moved into his office when he launched Disney TV Animation with a mandate to dominate kidvid. The Disney Channel was quickly kiddie-fied. Disney Home Video (later Disney Home Entertainment, which Bob Chapek headed for a time before he was promoted to Consumer Products) cranked out dozens of titles marketed to the kid demographic.

                                      Michael is indeed long gone, but his marketing mindset remains in the executives he promoted -- Iger in particular. It'll be interesting to see how much it informs the Disney+ content.
                                      "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                                      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                                      together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                                      designed to appeal to everyone."

                                      - Walt Disney

                                      "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                                      - Michael Eisner

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by stovk View Post
                                        Just curious. Has Disney announced what will be available in Disney+? They say their entire catalog, but we know that won't be the case (Song of the South).

                                        Also, are we going to get the original content, or the PC re-edit (Pecos Bill)?

                                        Just wondering. Too many unknowns for me before I pull the trigger and order.
                                        Yes - posted today via the Disney+ Twitter account was a massive dump of everything which will be available at launch on November 12th. Sorted link here, breaking it down by "channel", if you will - Walt Disney Pictures, Direct-to-video/TV Movies, TV Series, Disney+ Originals, FOX, Nat Geo, Lucasfilm, Pixar.

                                        Disney+ Day one content

                                        As a starting point goes, you'll definitely see a whole bunch of "deep cuts" from the vault to go with the greatest hits (if you wanted to compare both the 1940 and 1960 versions of Swiss Family Robinson, for instance, you're in luck!) while also tapping in heavy to peak-90s nostalgia (hence every Disney Afternoon & Marvel animated series under the sun, plus a whole plethora of the Disney Channel Original Movies that ruled cable in the late-90s). Worth keeping in mind that this is a) only what was announced today, which while big probably wasn't totally exhaustive, and b) a decent amount of stuff remains tied up in deals with other services so it might be a while before the streaming rights in the U.S. return back to Disney (most of the theatrical releases from 2016-18, for instance, are still with Netflix for a bit longer)


                                        Added: if you prefer visuals and have 3 Hrs and 17 minutes to spare, the announcement clip reel in full (which might come in handy as there's a decent amount of material both recent and decades in the past that I had no idea existed!):

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=m0FRDaHnITI
                                        Last edited by IPOD22785; 10-14-2019, 03:30 PM.

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