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    I was doing research for the historical society in my town when I came across this ad in the newspaper archives.
    I think we can all agree that this looks identical to, or at least extremely similar to, the Haunted Mansion font.
    The HM font is called 'Ravenscroft' after Thurl Ravenscroft, of course, but this newspaper article is from 1922.
    I can't find anything about what fond this might be. I can't find anything on what the HM was derived from. Can any Disney and font nerds out there help me?
    Thanks so much in advance!
    Also, I thought this was SO cool that this font is so old.
    I'll never grow up...
    Peter Pan

  • #2
    If that newspaper ad is truly from 1922, it would indicate that the HM font was inspired by (or copied from) a predecessor -- my hunch would be one of the fonts in the Rubens family (which goes back to the 1880s, and would have been a period-appropriate choice for the HM).

    Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 11-18-2019, 07:47 PM.
    "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
    it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
    together with every variety of recreation and fun,
    designed to appeal to everyone."

    - Walt Disney

    "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
    - Michael Eisner

    "It's very symbiotic."
    - Bob Chapek

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
      If that newspaper ad is truly from 1922, it would indicate that the HM font was inspired by (or copied from) a predecessor -- my hunch would be one of the fonts in the Rubens family (which goes back to the 1880s, and would have been a period-appropriate choice for the HM).
      Yes it does! I've done more research since. It mimics the style Goodfellow, and more closely Excelsis. These fonts are derived from the 1880s and 1890s as well. I'm going to try and check with the newspaper to see if they have any records on typefaces used in original printing.
      I'll never grow up...
      Peter Pan

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      • #4
        Great research -- Excelsis looks like it! (And as a longtime collector of Disneyland ephemera, I'm glad to see another DL font nerd on the forum!!) What I wouldn't give to research the WED archives from the 60s on the HM's development, and see if any of the font scrap files were saved.
        "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
        it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
        together with every variety of recreation and fun,
        designed to appeal to everyone."

        - Walt Disney

        "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
        - Michael Eisner

        "It's very symbiotic."
        - Bob Chapek

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        • #5
          Geeee...I learning something new "here"
          I know what
          font is .....but do not know history behind
          font s


          INTRESTING.........
          Sound like Mr. Wiggins was or still is a School Teacher?
          Soaring like an EAGLE !

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Eagleman View Post
            INTRESTING.........
            Sound like Mr. Wiggins was or still is a School Teacher?
            Nope, just a longtime DL history buff and collector.
            "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
            it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
            together with every variety of recreation and fun,
            designed to appeal to everyone."

            - Walt Disney

            "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
            - Michael Eisner

            "It's very symbiotic."
            - Bob Chapek

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

              Nope, just a longtime DL history buff and collector.
              YES...I know that !
              But....You do know lot more than Disney...........
              ( I know you like to read......you into history.........and you Enjoy ''JAZZ"""" )
              Soaring like an EAGLE !

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                If that newspaper ad is truly from 1922, it would indicate that the HM font was inspired by (or copied from) a predecessor -- my hunch would be one of the fonts in the Rubens family (which goes back to the 1880s, and would have been a period-appropriate choice for the HM).
                Fellow typeface nerd here! I think you are very likely correct. I've posted this in the HM thread before, but wondering if it may have been pulled from this Charles Dickens cover from 1896. No idea how prolific this specific cover was, but sure doesn't seem like a large jump from "The Haunted Man" to "The Haunted Mansion" does it?

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                • #9
                  LOL...... I feel that I'm in FONTs class 101
                  I learning
                  Last edited by Eagleman; 11-19-2019, 09:49 PM.
                  Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sorrysorrytown View Post

                    Fellow typeface nerd here! I think you are very likely correct. I've posted this in the HM thread before, but wondering if it may have been pulled from this Charles Dickens cover from 1896. No idea how prolific this specific cover was, but sure doesn't seem like a large jump from "The Haunted Man" to "The Haunted Mansion" does it?

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                    and I'M no expert on the subject ...but sure does look the same.
                    Last edited by Eagleman; 11-19-2019, 09:46 PM.
                    Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sorrysorrytown View Post
                      Fellow typeface nerd here! I think you are very likely correct. I've posted this in the HM thread before, but wondering if it may have been pulled from this Charles Dickens cover from 1896. No idea how prolific this specific cover was, but sure doesn't seem like a large jump from "The Haunted Man" to "The Haunted Mansion" does it?

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                      WHOA! I've never seen that cover before (I'm a longtime Dickens fan, although not a collector). What a great find!!
                      "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                      together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                      designed to appeal to everyone."

                      - Walt Disney

                      "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                      - Michael Eisner

                      "It's very symbiotic."
                      - Bob Chapek

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                      • #12
                        A Christmas Carol
                        is my
                        Dickens top my list story
                        this time of the year
                        for it has several aspects of Christmas,
                        including family gatherings, seasonal food and drink,
                        dancing, games and a festive generosity of spirit.
                        Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sorrysorrytown View Post

                          Fellow typeface nerd here! I think you are very likely correct. I've posted this in the HM thread before, but wondering if it may have been pulled from this Charles Dickens cover from 1896. No idea how prolific this specific cover was, but sure doesn't seem like a large jump from "The Haunted Man" to "The Haunted Mansion" does it?

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                          This was so much fun to see -- my favorite author linked with my favorite attraction! Genius, sorrysorrytown!

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                          • #14
                            One of my go to sites to research Type Foundries is http://type-foundries-archive.com/
                            “Not the least hard thing to bear when they go from us, these quiet friends, is that they carry away with them
                            so many years of our own lives.”


                            DL Trips: '58, '59, '61, '65, '66, '67, '68x2, '69x2, '70x2, '71x2, '73x2, '74x2, '75x2, '76x2, '77, '78,x2, '79x2, '80x2, '81, '82, '83, '88, '89x3, '90x2, '91, '93, '94, '95x2, '96, '97, '98x4, '99, '00, '01, '02, '03, '04, '05, '06, '07x2, '08, '09x2, '10, '11, '13
                            WDW Trips: '81
                            EPCOT Trips: '93
                            Tokyo DL Trips: '86

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stovk View Post
                              One of my go to sites to research Type Foundries is http://type-foundries-archive.com/
                              Amazing ..........
                              FONTs class 101
                              Thanks- I going save the link..........
                              Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                              • #16
                                Very interesting thread...thank you all.
                                "These are a few of my favorite things"

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by sorrysorrytown View Post

                                  Fellow typeface nerd here! I think you are very likely correct. I've posted this in the HM thread before, but wondering if it may have been pulled from this Charles Dickens cover from 1896. No idea how prolific this specific cover was, but sure doesn't seem like a large jump from "The Haunted Man" to "The Haunted Mansion" does it?

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                                  That’s INCREDIBLE. Amazing find, thank you for posting it!
                                  I'll never grow up...
                                  Peter Pan

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                                  • #18
                                    On a related note, Ask a Font Creator: The Typography of Disneyland

                                    “Not the least hard thing to bear when they go from us, these quiet friends, is that they carry away with them
                                    so many years of our own lives.”


                                    DL Trips: '58, '59, '61, '65, '66, '67, '68x2, '69x2, '70x2, '71x2, '73x2, '74x2, '75x2, '76x2, '77, '78,x2, '79x2, '80x2, '81, '82, '83, '88, '89x3, '90x2, '91, '93, '94, '95x2, '96, '97, '98x4, '99, '00, '01, '02, '03, '04, '05, '06, '07x2, '08, '09x2, '10, '11, '13
                                    WDW Trips: '81
                                    EPCOT Trips: '93
                                    Tokyo DL Trips: '86

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                                    • #19
                                      Here: https://www.myfonts.com/search/excelsis/

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