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    Aloha,

    If DLR implements the "Dayparting" concept (basically selling three hard tickets a day, attendance limited to only six hours in the park), this will kill the DLR hotels. I can't imagine people paying big bucks to travel and stay at the DLR hotels and only be allowed six hours a day in the parks. Total nonsense from the start.

    I DO agree with Disney making each day a hard ticket to limit the daily acceptable attendance during the COVID-19 tenure. Disney can figure out what the break even attendance mark is and add a percentage for profit, etc...as an example, 60K total DCA and DLP guests.

    Can only purchase the ticket online or via phone. Close the ticket booths. Guarantee tickets to the DLR hotel guests. Give refunds for tickets previously purchased before the closure. Either give refunds for APs previously purchased or a discount on the sale of the hard ticket. This would prevent 80K people arriving at DLR fighting for only 60K tickets...another lottery!


  • #2
    It just seems like a mess with the AP situation. Maybe APs could reserve a time once a day. I'd be fine going in for 5 hours with a much smaller crowd. They're going to be losing money on dining, for sure, and the hotel situation would be interesting. No matter what, there's no good solution.

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    • #3
      The big question for any of these proposals are how sustainable would they be, especially if for the long term. Given the likely economic situation for the next year, it is too much work and is not the way people want to spend a vacation with their precious time and money.

      We were to flatten the curve as spread out the infection rate to keep our systems from being overwhelmed.

      As of this morning, Cuomo announced that at least 21% of New Yorkers have antibodies, 21% That is FAR higher than documented cases.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/n...rk-update.html

      A USC/LA Public Health study showed that people who tested positive for antibodies are already 30-55 times higher than expected. That would correlate to an infection rate of at least 221,000-440,000 or more in LA alone. Currently there are about 8,000 confirmed cases. Yet few serious cases when considering a possible 440,000 number.

      https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody...ngeles-county/

      I think that there is still much to learn about this virus and its true risk. That will only be better understood in more testing, both for the virus and antibodies

      When we know that, it will tell us how much the world will have to change and for how long

      As of now, most proposals are fiscally unsustainable.
      Last edited by Golden Zephyr; 04-24-2020, 10:12 PM.

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      • #4
        Disney would never do three 6 hour admission periods when two 6-8 hour periods with a sweep out/cleaning gap in the middle will suffice.

        And honestly, that would be a boon to the hotels. They could sell two day ticket/hotel packages (since parkhopping would likely be dead) that offer an additional pre-picked C-ticket max/fast pass tickets or virtual queue spots as part of the deal and then beef up some dining or entertainment inclusion (like offering discounts to The Void or Bowling.)

        They'll definitely use the pandemic to jack ticket and food prices up, there's no question about that, and they'll couch it as a necessity in the post-COVID economy even though they're going to be turning people away at the gates. I'd also expect some sort of gimmicky sip & savor type thing with some garbage like "land specific mini churros" or cupcakes to prop up food sales with the newly gouged prices.

        I don't have high hopes for what they're planning if they re-open without an actual medical breakthrough. They've been cutthroat so far within their own ranks, I can't imagine what they're going to pass off on their customers to regain their customary massive profits ASAP.

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        • #5
          Amazon should buy Disney and treat it like they did to Whole Foods, LOWER prices.

          OR: How about just make the park open to "Visitors Only" and not allow APs in for the first few months? That's what I heard from YT channel TimTracker talk about on a recent video. That is, of course, Orlando they were talking about though, and specifically Unievrsla but could be applied to Disney as well.
          An Aspiring Walt Disney Imagineer.

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          • #6
            ^ What Golden Zephyr said.
            "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
            it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
            together with every variety of recreation and fun,
            designed to appeal to everyone."

            - Walt Disney

            "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
            - Michael Eisner

            "It's very symbiotic."
            - Bob Chapek

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            • #7
              Dayparting would be a hassle to implement in the park, as it would require both parks to be clear out entirely, 3 times a day. This would clog up the entrance plaza, rendering the 6 feet rule impossible.

              The idea is not feasibly profitable, either. If you are given X amount of hours in the parks, no one will bother wasting time just to buy food or merchandise. They'll do that outside the parks or resort.


              Originally posted by guynhawaii View Post
              Aloha,
              Can only purchase the ticket online or via phone. Close the ticket booths. Guarantee tickets to the DLR hotel guests. Give refunds for tickets previously purchased before the closure. Either give refunds for APs previously purchased or a discount on the sale of the hard ticket. This would prevent 80K people arriving at DLR fighting for only 60K tickets...another lottery!
              That would garner backlash and a giant class action lawsuit as Disney previously stated they were still valid:

              Disneyland officials say, "At Disneyland Resort, unused single day tickets and wholly unused multi-day tickets are valid for a future visit through the end of their respective period. Disneyland is also working with guests on an individual basis who might prefer a different option, including a refund under these unique circumstances."
              ....
              Promotional tickets for SoCal residents will be extended on a day-to-day basis for each day the park is closed.
              To get a better perspective, I purchased Disneyland Tickets through my work's benefits program, before the shutdown. These tickets vouchers are still good to redeem for a least another 2 years.

              In addition, paying over the phone brings the risk of Security Fraud. As a Retail worker, we are told to never deal with Gift Card procedures over the phone, for the risk of scams and frauds.
              If you have tickets to visit the 'Happiest Place on Earth' Disneyland has new guidelines during the coronavirus pandemic.

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              • #8
                Newsom and Iger need to get real, all these regulations arr going to

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                • #9
                  Newsom and Iger need to get real. All these regulations are going to kill the parks. Unfortunately you cant have your cake and eat it too in this situation. If this is the only way the parks can reopen, keep them closed. Nobody in their right mind wants to pay for a saturated Disney experience, and opening under these conditions will just plunge the company deeper into the financial hole they're already in. If anything, let summer go, and open up business as usual in time for the Halloween and holiday seasons. There's studies across the globe that are showing this isn't nearly as serious as the "experts" thought it was, and there will more than likely be treatments and definitely more testing avaliable in the coming months. There are also studies showing as the virus mutates, the less deadly it becomes, but there are conflicting studies on that but again we'll know more by then. Its sad to see such a once great company reduced to this, and hopefully these power trip officials will snap out of it in time before its too late.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alex1997 View Post
                    Newsom and Iger need to get real. All these regulations are going to kill the parks. Unfortunately you cant have your cake and eat it too in this situation. If this is the only way the parks can reopen, keep them closed. Nobody in their right mind wants to pay for a saturated Disney experience, and opening under these conditions will just plunge the company deeper into the financial hole they're already in. If anything, let summer go, and open up business as usual in time for the Halloween and holiday seasons. There's studies across the globe that are showing this isn't nearly as serious as the "experts" thought it was, and there will more than likely be treatments and definitely more testing avaliable in the coming months. There are also studies showing as the virus mutates, the less deadly it becomes, but there are conflicting studies on that but again we'll know more by then. Its sad to see such a once great company reduced to this, and hopefully these power trip officials will snap out of it in time before its too late.
                    As of now, COVID-19 has killed nearly 52,000 people in the U.S. -- over a quarter of the world's known death toll. The only "power trip officials" are the disorganized dimbulbs in D.C. who refuse to organize a national program of testing and contact tracing. If they don't knock off their political power trips and start following the advice of the medical experts, we'll see more deaths and a longer, more painful economic recovery than is necessary. Forget summer, forget Halloween, and forget the holiday season; Wall Street's prediction is that Disney's theme parks won't open until early 2021 at best. And that prediction was made before the discovery this past week that the infection numbers may have been under counted by a factor of 50 or more. Every week that goes by without a national testing and contact tracing program will extend that early-2021 estimate.
                    "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                    it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                    together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                    designed to appeal to everyone."

                    - Walt Disney

                    "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                    - Michael Eisner

                    "It's very symbiotic."
                    - Bob Chapek

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                    • #11
                      FWIW they opened the beaches in Orange County yesterday. They estimated 40,000 went to Newport Beach alone. This is with parking lots halfway closed, as well as the pier and boardwalk in order to discourage too many people from going.

                      I used to think that if they reopened Disneyland people will naturally stay away for some time. Now dayparting could be the direction to go. Or go on a reservation system. Or a combination of the two.

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                      • #12
                        I agree that dayparting is not the way to go.

                        I posted an idea here - https://discuss.micechat.com/forum/d...98#post8617098

                        I think it's a realistic, viable solution.

                        They can only do so much to enforce social distancing. If they make a visit to Disneyland like a visit to a Costco it's going to kill the magic.

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                        • #13
                          Actually dayparting sounds like it would work out perfectly for locals with APs, which is why I suspect people in this thread hate it. :/

                          Just be patient and wait for a vaccine, people. The world isn't going to end if you don't go to Disneyland this year. There are so many more pressing issues right now.
                          "I wish they all could be California Bears!"

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                          • #14
                            The research from Stanford University conducted in Santa Clara and LA county shows the virus appears much more widespread than orginally thought. Also the numbers concerning mortality appear to be focused in older age groups and those with serious medical conditions but very low for other groups. More research will be coming from Stanford in the coming weeks. One of the studies they are conducting now tests the employees (not just the players) from all Major League baseball teams all across the country. Many of my coworker's think they have already been infected. I honestly think I might have been as well. Hopefully testing will be become more widely available in the near future.

                            But one thing we should also consider when talking about this is the death toll from keeping businesses closed for long periods of time. Many people will die as a result of prolonged closures of businesses. Possibly even more than would die from this virus but I never see that discussed on TV or in the news. And those people's lives are important as well. But that is not meant to downplay this virus. But to highlight the importance of preventive cancer screening, mental health care and the psychological and ultimately physical toll that financial ruin can inflict on a family.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PhotoMatt View Post
                              I agree that dayparting is not the way to go.

                              I posted an idea here - https://discuss.micechat.com/forum/d...98#post8617098

                              I think it's a realistic, viable solution.

                              They can only do so much to enforce social distancing. If they make a visit to Disneyland like a visit to a Costco it's going to kill the magic.
                              I AGREE
                              Enforcing social distancing in any theme parks ,would be hard to do !
                              Just thinking of the
                              virus that widespread ,it's going to kill the magic ! IMO

                              Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                              • #16
                                While re-reading the initial article discussing the possibility of dayparting, one partion caught my attention that I feel could possibly be a way to go?

                                They has mentioned the possibility of returning similar to the e-ticket program. That combined with "windows" could be used as a means of controlling crowd size, and putting a hard limit on how long "some" guests stay in the park.

                                I we have seen with the fasspass distribution in tomorrowland, the idea of setting up single location kiosks for a section of the park for ride tickets does work. Combining this with a virtual queue system, I could see this as a way of creating "soft dayparting." Imagine if you will, the "average," non-AP guest, arriving in the morning, being informed that while they will not be forced to leave in 6 hours, but for the 6 hours following their entrance into the park, they will have a virtual ticket book, that can be reviewed in the Disney AP, or at a fastpass kiosk. That ticket book would include a limited amount of tickets, based not on ride intensity, but on popularity and guests per hour. Rides that we largerly reguard as "people eaters" like mansion, astroblasters, etc would likely be unlimited, or have a number so high that you would be unlikely to use them all in a 6 hour period. Rides like Rise, Space Mountain, Indy, etc, would only have 1, maybe two rides for your 6 hour period, and everything that "can vary" like Dumbo, star taurs, pirates, etc, would have amounts that could change depending on time of day and popularity at that moment.

                                Where the "virtual" day parting would come into play is, at 6 hours, or however long Disney wants, your tickets would become frozen, and while no one would come and take you by the hand and escort you out of the park, no longer being able to go on rides or shows like Lincold or Tiki room would be enough to encourage "most" guests to leave the park, or at least go into gift shops and restaurants, where because they are merchandise filled sections of the park, guest flow "should" be more easy to control.

                                For people who only use a few of their tickets, they could be informed that coming back later in the evening, probably after the fireworks when most guests begin leaving anyways, would allow then to use their remaining tickets, or just have free access to rides without ticketing. Left over tickets could be stacked for other days, or if the quarantine were suddenly end before then, it could be turned into a stack of wild fastpasses? Disney's system can remember you for years, so it's not like it would be a problem for Disney to hand a stack of fastpasses to a family that visited in June when they come back the next year.

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                                • #17
                                  Disney versus nature...grown men trying to control nature...outsmart nature...command nature...and nature doesn’t care about money profits...
                                  I am old. But still love Disneyland.

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                                  • #18
                                    I think people overestimate what customers are willing to put up with to make a trip to DL. Let’s not forget 1) This board represents the hardcore guest not the average guest 2) The parks attendance only took off from about 2005 and even then the year on year increase slowed for a time during the recession.

                                    This is means that DLR has been super popular for only 15 years or so, and the vast majority of people going are far from hardcore fans, they are the once in a lifetime family or once every few years guests... that group makes the bucks, maybe not Per Capita but in sheer volume. That group is not going to attend a park that charges a premium price for ticket books that last 6 hours, third of a day parks, or very little guarantee of entry....especially in a recession; and that’s the bigger picture that all of these ideas miss, the economy is not going to magically rebound. The recession coming is not just a a symptom of covid-19, that was a catalyst that popped a massive debt bubble western countries have lived off of since 2008. It’s not the end of the world but it’s also not just going to go away.

                                    I can see reserved day tickets, lots of parks so this to keep tabs on and control attendance, say hello to the flex pass being the standard moving forward if that’s the case. It could happen but I just can’t see a complete revision of a days experience in the parks, someone mentioned it in the thread already....limit time or make people feel limited and your dining and merchandise spend goes poof. And double dipping on a gate fee and a ticket book......I’ll ride the Matterhorn five times in a row back to back if that ever came true (provided a day pass came back in the future), I swear I’ll do it.

                                    Walmarts in Canada through tape lines on the floor and installed plexiglass at the height of the pandemic.....When things start to slow down, which they will just like literally every pandemic in the past, Disney will do something similar, limit numbers, temporarily cancel mass gathering causing events and maybe wipe down commonly touched places on rides before loading the next set of guests

                                    sorry for the typos posted on my phone
                                    Last edited by linkeq2001; 04-25-2020, 10:28 PM.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by linkeq2001 View Post
                                      I think people overestimate what customers are willing to put up with to make a trip to DL. Let’s not forget 1) This board represents the hardcore guest not the average guest 2) The parks attendance only took off from about 2005 and even then the year on year increase slowed for a time during the recession.

                                      This is means that DLR has been super popular for only 15 years or so, and the vast majority of people going are far from hardcore fans, they are the once in a lifetime family or once every few years guests... that group makes the bucks, maybe not Per Capita but in sheer volume. That group is not going to attend a park that charges a premium price for ticket books that last 6 hours, third of a day parks, or very little guarantee of entry....especially in a recession; and that’s the bigger picture that all of these ideas miss, the economy is not going to magically rebound. The recession coming is not just a a symptom of covid-19, that was a catalyst that popped a massive debt bubble western countries have lived off of since 2008. It’s not the end of the world but it’s also not just going to go away.
                                      Bingo.

                                      A recession was already on the horizon. COVID-19 is just going to make it worse.

                                      A limited experience is not going to affect the average AP. Miss something or ran out of time? Go back tomorrow, next week or even next month. No rush. But it would affect non-locals AKA your average Tourist(like myself).

                                      If a recession does hit, the average non-local tourist may think a visit might not be worth the cost, if ideas like dayparting or ticket books are installed.

                                      Remember, a year ago,when Disney Parks were fretting about the roll out of Galaxy's Edge. And how it would cause mass overcrowding. Their plan? Boarding Groups/Reservations, and a time limit to the land. What Happened? No one bothered to show up, and the system was quitely ended. Boarding passes were not used again until ROTR's opening.

                                      There comes a limit of what your average guest will put up with.

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                                      • #20
                                        Whats funny is while I don't think people should want to go or spend extra money...from the way people flocked to the beaches some people may be willing to pay the premium amount for LESS rides/shows and even time. People seem despite to get out and do something.
                                        Happy Halloween!!!

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