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  • oceanbreeze77
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    This is good news! Hopefully L.A. County and San Bernardino will be next -- if people can just continue to follow the advice of health experts about wearing masks and maintaining social distance.

    Orange County removed from California’s coronavirus watch list

    "Following a surge in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations last month, Orange County was removed Sunday from the state list of counties being monitored for the virus.

    The move marks a turning point for the county. If the rates of new cases and tests performed, percentages of positive tests and hospitalizations, as well as available intensive care beds and ventilators remain at acceptable levels for the next two weeks, K-12 students could resume in-person classes after Labor Day weekend.

    Positive tests remained at 5.4%, which is below the state’s maximum threshold of 8%, and the three-day average of hospitalizations fell Sunday by nearly 5%, according to the Orange County Health Care Agency....

    The county can be placed back on the watch list if it is flagged for any of the six metrics being monitored for at least three days in a row. It first fell below the state’s monitoring thresholds on Wednesday....

    Los Angeles County, meanwhile, remains on the state watch list."
    dont hold you breath....its the OC..things can go downhill reallllll fast

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  • Eagleman
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

    There's still no national program of testing and contact tracing. Still nowhere near the availability of quick-response tests that health officials say the nation needs. Still a patchwork of different pandemic-control standards, methods and degrees of efficiency across the 50 states. And still plenty of anti-maskers who refuse to heed the warnings of health officials. Yes, Orange County may be doing better at the moment, but many other California counties are not -- and United States as a whole remains in the same pandemic sub-basement as countries like Brazil and Russia.
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    Yes there still plenty of anti-maskers= who refuse to heed the warnings of health officials.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by Grand Circle Tour View Post
    Schools opening along with other businesses such as gyms and bars will cause another surge in cases and hospitalizations and things will have to close again. California's thresholds for re-opening are too high. We get to decent (not good) levels and we open things back up causing another wave of infections which results in more shutdowns. We'll never escape pandemic conditions the way we're doing things.
    There's still no national program of testing and contact tracing. Still nowhere near the availability of quick-response tests that health officials say the nation needs. Still a patchwork of different pandemic-control standards, methods and degrees of efficiency across the 50 states. And still plenty of anti-maskers who refuse to heed the warnings of health officials. Yes, Orange County may be doing better at the moment, but many other California counties are not -- and United States as a whole remains in the same pandemic sub-basement as countries like Brazil and Russia.

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  • Grand Circle Tour
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    Schools opening along with other businesses such as gyms and bars will cause another surge in cases and hospitalizations and things will have to close again. California's thresholds for re-opening are too high. We get to decent (not good) levels and we open things back up causing another wave of infections which results in more shutdowns. We'll never escape pandemic conditions the way we're doing things.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    This is good news! Hopefully L.A. County and San Bernardino will be next -- if people can just continue to follow the advice of health experts about wearing masks and maintaining social distance.

    Orange County removed from California’s coronavirus watch list

    "Following a surge in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations last month, Orange County was removed Sunday from the state list of counties being monitored for the virus.

    The move marks a turning point for the county. If the rates of new cases and tests performed, percentages of positive tests and hospitalizations, as well as available intensive care beds and ventilators remain at acceptable levels for the next two weeks, K-12 students could resume in-person classes after Labor Day weekend.

    Positive tests remained at 5.4%, which is below the state’s maximum threshold of 8%, and the three-day average of hospitalizations fell Sunday by nearly 5%, according to the Orange County Health Care Agency....

    The county can be placed back on the watch list if it is flagged for any of the six metrics being monitored for at least three days in a row. It first fell below the state’s monitoring thresholds on Wednesday....

    Los Angeles County, meanwhile, remains on the state watch list."

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  • Captain Andy
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    No news... but I did find this nugget in an article.

    When Will Disneyland Reopen?
    https://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/202008/7669/

    A few California parks have found ways to partially reopen since then, under state rules allowing outdoor dining and zoos. But Disneyland got rid of its petting zoo back when it cleared Big Thunder Ranch to make way for Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge. And Disney's shown no desire to open its theme parks just to run an outdoor food festival, as Knott's Berry Farm has been doing.

    So it appears that Disneyland and Disney California Adventure will not reopen until California approves full theme park operations within the state.

    When will that be? State officials have made clear that permission will not come until California's Covid-19 new case numbers come way down from where they are right now.


    In the comments section, someone has stated: "I can't say anything for sure regarding Disneyland, but I've heard from people somewhat in the know that both Knott's and SFMM are currently anticipating a mid-September to early October reopening. My guess is Disney will try to open Disneyland right at the start of the next quarter as it will look better financially for them."

    I'm going to say it all depends on schools re-opening and how people spend their Labor Day weekend, which will definitely cause outbreaks. I'm a little wary of mid-September / early October, but I have seen those dates getting tossed around quite a bit on other forums, including this article.

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  • Spongeocto4
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    Any update on opening?......Please?

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  • Captain Andy
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    Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    MiceChat: CANCELED: Oogie Boogie Bash Halloween Event at Disneyland Resort

    "Well, it’s official: Halloween events are canceled for 2020 at the Disneyland Resort. First Universal Studios announced that their Halloween Horror Nights will not be happening at either of their resorts in the US, and now Disney California Adventure has canceled their popular special ticketed Halloween party, Oogie Boogie Bash...."
    This, and after receiving a notification from my place of work that we won’t be returning to the office until next year... I have a feeling that MAYBE Disneyland’s Christmas season is also up on the chopping block.

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  • Rammikin
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    You're right, the virus cannot be eliminated without herd immunity via a vaccine. But we _can_ get past the first wave if we get finally serious about fighting the pandemic. The rest of the world has shown if you can get past that first wave, you can breath some life back into the economy and minimize the health risks of the pandemic. In this country however, we're prolonging the first wave, and the attendant economic and health consequences, with climbing daily death rates, because we can't even get people to wear masks.

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  • J. Thaddeus Toad
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    Originally posted by Rammikin View Post

    This.

    Given the choice between closing things down so we can get past this as soon as possible, or offering some kind of hellish dystopian half-opening of businesses that will do nothing but prolong the pandemic and the economic calamity...
    Just wanna clear what appears to be a misconception I've seen repeatedly, here: shutting down businesses, social distancing, and wearing masks does not affect how long the virus or the pandemic lasts.

    Rather, it slows the spread and thus, lowers infections and deaths.

    Until there is a vaccine, or strong treatment, or herd immunity, or possibly its own natural weakening, the virus is here to stay. Shutting things down like Disneyland, although it helps slow spread, isn't going to make it go away quicker, or go away at all. The overall predicament remains.
    Last edited by J. Thaddeus Toad; 07-25-2020, 05:50 PM.

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  • Rammikin
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    Originally posted by NotChuck View Post
    given the environment we're currently in, with the precautions any responsible business would be forced to take, how enjoyable of an experience are guests going to have anyway?
    This.

    Given the choice between closing things down so we can get past this as soon as possible, or offering some kind of hellish dystopian half-opening of businesses that will do nothing but prolong the pandemic and the economic calamity...why on earth would anyone choose the latter?

    In addition, as you say, people need to start getting used to the idea that the Before Times are gone forever. Many things, especially some businesses that we all enjoyed at one time, are a thing of the past.
    Last edited by Rammikin; 07-25-2020, 03:40 PM.

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  • NotChuck
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    This is all ridiculous.

    My desire to eat inside a restaurant or visit an amusement park nowhere near outweighs my desire to stay healthy. And besides, given the environment we're currently in, with the precautions any responsible business would be forced to take, how enjoyable of an experience are guests going to have anyway? Obsessively disinfecting all surfaces, mandating face masks, enforcing social distancing, acrylic barriers everywhere, reduced capacity for all rides and attractions....Assuming I'm fortunate enough to have hundreds of dollars to spend on entertainment at the moment, how would bringing my family into a giant, uncomfortable, and uninviting Petri dish be worth it? On ANY level? Being that federal leadership (and those who are sycophantically beholden to it) is nonexistent, Disney needs to take the lead on this. Because if they don't, people will be lead to believe that the pandemic is over and everything is just fine (case in point...Florida)

    I think we need to accept the fact that we are in a massive economic crisis and get used to the idea that there are some businesses (bars, restaurants, movie theaters, shopping malls, amusement parks, concert venues...) that may not survive it. I think Disney as a company will, but their theme parks need to remain shut for the foreseeable future....at least until there's a safe and effective vaccine...which I personally believe will be available sooner rather than later (early 2021). Unfortunately, we've seen a lot of ignorance, greed, and hubris driving decisions as of late, a lot of folks that think a few Google searches and YouTube videos magically make them infectious disease experts, and even more still that seem to be under the impression that the virus gives one single crap about their political affiliations.

    Be a grown up....Stay home when you can, wear a mask when you can't, and wait it out. It shouldn't be this hard.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by Grand Circle Tour View Post
    You can't fix the economy by re-opening businesses during an exploding pandemic. The economy depends on people being willing to go out and spend money. If the risk of getting sick and getting permanent body damage or death is prevalent people will stay home.

    We can all do our part by wearing masks, minimizing social contact, and washing our hands. If we ALL do those things everything can be open. Or we can not do those simple things and have everything close down again and further delay economic recovery. This middle ground we're in is proving disastrous.
    Exactly right, and exactly true. The efforts of those who can see see it are being negated by those who cannot and those who will not. That is the disaster.

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  • Grand Circle Tour
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    You can't fix the economy by re-opening businesses during an exploding pandemic. The economy depends on people being willing to go out and spend money. If the risk of getting sick and getting permanent body damage or death is prevalent people will stay home.

    We can all do our part by wearing masks, minimizing social contact, and washing our hands. If we ALL do those things everything can be open. Or we can not do those simple things and have everything close down again and further delay economic recovery. This middle ground we're in is proving disastrous.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    MiceChat: CANCELED: Oogie Boogie Bash Halloween Event at Disneyland Resort

    "Well, it’s official: Halloween events are canceled for 2020 at the Disneyland Resort. First Universal Studios announced that their Halloween Horror Nights will not be happening at either of their resorts in the US, and now Disney California Adventure has canceled their popular special ticketed Halloween party, Oogie Boogie Bash...."

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    OC Register: Disneyland tightens COVID-19 mask requirements at Downtown Disney

    "Disneyland has updated two face covering policies at Downtown Disney to prohibit neck gaiters and bandanas and close the so-called 'sip and stroll' loophole....

    Neck gaiter tube-style face scarves and open-chin triangle bandanas will no longer be allowed as face coverings at Downtown Disney. Visitors may remove their masks only while actively eating and drinking outdoors in a stationary position while maintaining social distancing...."


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  • oceanbreeze77
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    Originally posted by Grand Circle Tour View Post
    If Disneyland does open before the holidays (which is not at all certain) it's likely they will dramatically scale back holiday offerings. Attraction overlays which draw large crowds will likely not appear this year for safety reasons. Forget about Oogie Boogie Bash and holiday versions of fireworks and World of Color. Disneyland will max out capacity by itself without any seasonal promotions. If it even opens.
    I think theyre better holding off until the new year for multiple reasons. Even if things improve, this would be enough time to finish construction, clean up the place, and hope that in the meantime people are getting HOPEFULLY (a very optimistic estimate for December vaccine) vaccinated.

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  • Spongeocto4
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    Some positive news. Tortilla Joes and Ballast Point have reopened. New business, California Sole has also opened.

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  • YeaDZNY
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    In a nutshell..this whole thing SUCKS!!! And we will never be able to visit DL again until the morons of this country get their heads out of their a$$'$!!! During times of uncertainty, its quit clear how many dip $hit$ live here!!!!

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  • Grand Circle Tour
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    If Disneyland does open before the holidays (which is not at all certain) it's likely they will dramatically scale back holiday offerings. Attraction overlays which draw large crowds will likely not appear this year for safety reasons. Forget about Oogie Boogie Bash and holiday versions of fireworks and World of Color. Disneyland will max out capacity by itself without any seasonal promotions. If it even opens.

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