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**nickdean707** · 09-22-2020, 10:40 AM

So It seems like Micechat's article about Disney reaching a deal with Newsom is false. Entire purpose of this meeting seemed to be them basically saying "Newsom, we've been operating around the rest of the world safely, where you at?"

**ANadventureTime** · 09-22-2020, 10:44 AM

so, a whole lotta nothing

**Sun Bonnet** · 09-22-2020, 10:48 AM

Thanks for posting it.

**Captain Andy** · 09-22-2020, 10:51 AM

Thank you for these footnotes, nickdean707! Despite there being no groundbreaking news, these are rather insightful.

**JerrodDRagon** · 09-22-2020, 03:17 PM

So seems like the parks wont be open until after Halloween at this rate

**Captain Andy** · 09-22-2020, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post

So seems like the parks wont be open until after Halloween at this rate

So I guess this is not going to happen, is it?

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

**oceanbreeze77** · 09-22-2020, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post

So seems like the parks wont be open until after Halloween at this rate

I'm still betting on post holidays.

**Eagleman** · 09-22-2020, 08:10 PM

This whole year , sure have felt ,that the world have been hanging ,on a CLIFF ......
imo

**hbdad** · 09-22-2020, 08:31 PM

My guess is Newsom will cave and Disney will be allowed to reopen no later than 10/15. If Disneyland is still closed after that date I would be shocked.

**JerrodDRagon** · 09-22-2020, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by oceanbreeze77 View Post

I'm still betting on post holidays.

I don't know...i used to think that but seems like pressure is mounting and don't think he has much love from many citizens keeping the parks closed when other places can be open (not saying i support it but many seem to just want things to be normal)
So i think before thanksgiving now makes sense, also its weeks after the election as well

**Stormy** · 09-23-2020, 06:56 AM

Djuan says the focus at the moment is on local travelers, but as conditions improve, they will broaden their reach.

9/22/2020 10:08 AM Pacific Time

Sounds like the parks will open before the 3 hotels do. Although I don't know how they expect to 'focus' on local travelers when people from all over can and do stay offsite. I'm 400+ miles away and can easily drive down & stay with family for a few days.

**Goldendreamer** · 09-23-2020, 07:42 AM

What concerns me as a pass holder is that Disney will try to make Disneyland fit into the pattern of Disneyworld. I understand the need to make safety modifications in the short term, but I worry those surveys won’t have much weight when this is over. Honestly, I don’t think we will come out of this until after the holidays because Christmas and New Year’s are always a big deal. Even without entertainment, people are so starved to get back that it may get ugly with people all trying to get reservations. WDW adjusted pretty well because their biggest group are out of state/ international individuals, so they can flex to make room for the passholders. Disneyland’s biggest demographic are passholders.

**Jesser-pie** · 09-23-2020, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Stormy View Post

Djuan says the focus at the moment is on local travelers, but as conditions improve, they will broaden their reach.

9/22/2020 10:08 AM Pacific Time

Sounds like the parks will open before the 3 hotels do. Although I don't know how they expect to 'focus' on local travelers when people from all over can and do stay offsite. I'm 400+ miles away and can easily drive down & stay with family for a few days.

Not every AP is local, but if you limited access to the park to only APs that would still largely limit the park to locals. I don’t think they would do that (at the expense of the pricey one day ticket), but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. APs are a crutch that Disney has leaned on before.

They could also demand to see a local ID if you buy a ticket. When they have local-only tickets specials, how did they ensure only locals get the deal? I feel this could work the same way.

But these options would imply Disney doesn’t want any non-local travelers whatsoever. A “Focus” on locals doesn’t mean no other travelers period. A reservation system that allows a ratio of more APs to single/multi day tickets would also put more of a focus on locals in general.

**Spongeocto4** · 09-23-2020, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Jesser-pie View Post

Not every AP is local, but if you limited access to the park to only APs that would still largely limit the park to locals. I don’t think they would do that (at the expense of the pricey one day ticket), but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. APs are a crutch that Disney has leaned on before.

They could also demand to see a local ID if you buy a ticket. When they have local-only tickets specials, how did they ensure only locals get the deal? I feel this could work the same way.

But these options would imply Disney doesn’t want any non-local travelers whatsoever. A “Focus” on locals doesn’t mean no other travelers period. A reservation system that allows a ratio of more APs to single/multi day tickets would also put more of a focus on locals in general.

Refusing out of state customers would be bad PR for Disney. Also, it would be bad in profit.

Yes, APs are reliable in the long run, but not in immediate earnings. Out of State will likely drop more money at once (from multi-day vacations), compare to an AP, who will likely spend less per day/visit.

The reservation system would be off if it favored APs, over out of state. APs have traditionally spent less time in the parks compared to tourists. This could lead to multiple APs to enter & leave early, causing the parks to be dead from no guests.

I'm not trying to offend APs, BTW.

**Stormy** · 09-23-2020, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Jesser-pie View Post

Not every AP is local, but if you limited access to the park to only APs that would still largely limit the park to locals. I don’t think they would do that (at the expense of the pricey one day ticket), but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. APs are a crutch that Disney has leaned on before.

They could also demand to see a local ID if you buy a ticket. When they have local-only tickets specials, how did they ensure only locals get the deal? I feel this could work the same way.

But these options would imply Disney doesn’t want any non-local travelers whatsoever. A “Focus” on locals doesn’t mean no other travelers period. A reservation system that allows a ratio of more APs to single/multi day tickets would also put more of a focus on locals in general.

Very valid points!

It would be interesting to know the ratio of local to non-local APs. I consider a 'local' AP as Bakersfield south to the border. It's a bit of a drive from Bakersfield, but it's doable for a lot of people. I was a non-local Deluxe at one time but they jacked the price up and put in so many blockout dates that it made it impractical.

I think they did request proof of So Cal residence for those tickets. But I agree I don't think they'd sell only So Cal resident's tickets, but we're in such uncharted territory that who really knows.

WDW weighted their allocation in favor of ticket purchasers. But I can honestly see DL doing the opposite and giving a bigger slice of the pie to APs. I think they're a guaranteed 'sell out' vs the WDW APs who I've heard aren't booking out all their available slots.

**Jesser-pie** · 09-23-2020, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post

Refusing out of state customers would be bad PR for Disney. Also, it would be bad in profit.

Yes, APs are reliable in the long run, but not in immediate earnings. Out of State will likely drop more money at once (from multi-day vacations), compare to an AP, who will likely spend less per day/visit.

The reservation system would be off if it favored APs, over out of state. APs have traditionally spent less time in the parks compared to tourists. This could lead to multiple APs to enter & leave early, causing the parks to be dead from no guests.

I'm not trying to offend APs, BTW.

No offense taken as an AP.

APs spend less time but they come at different times. Some prefer the first half of the day and others the second half. APs who leave for the day usually will be replaced by APs just coming in.

As far as the spend per day, that is the age old debate on MiceChat. APs spend less per visit but they spend more overall in their year as an AP and guarantee a certain amount of revenue. The fact that so much merch is geared to APs proves that APs spend money. After all they have a local park they can wear all that gear. Where else can you really make use of your collection of overpriced ears?

I also think the money spent by out-of-state is exaggerated; many out-of-state visitors stay off site. That is big chunk of a vacation cost that Disney does not profit from if the guest is not spending the night in their hotels. It further decreases revenue because if a guest is off-site, then they have easier access to off site food. This is why WDW is setup the way it is: it is much harder to leave their property. They even pick you up form the airport so that you can spend every scent in their resort from the moment you arrive. Without their hotels open, Disneyland has less financial incentive to reach for the out-of-state tourist.

However, just a note: I am not the one who said that Disneyland was focusing on locals. That is apparently what they said per the discussion. I was just making guesses to how they would theoretically do that. Although, I do not think it would be bad PR to focus on locals considering they are getting bad PR for simply considering opening (there is mockery of the poor rich little corporation). I think that focusing on locals is really just a way to appease the state (that park will be as safe as it can be, relatively speaking). Whether that would actually help or not is another matter.

**Sun Bonnet** · 09-23-2020, 03:15 PM

It's possible Newsom is the one hoping to discourage tourism and focusing on locals is a compromise they've been working on.

I have purchased local discount tickets before and you must show proof of residency - a bill addressed to you or a Driver's license.

**Stormy** · 09-24-2020, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by Sun Bonnet View Post

It's possible Newsom is the one hoping to discourage tourism and focusing on locals is a compromise they've been working on.

You may have a point there. I can see Newsom (and CA Dept of Health) not wanting to have people from one area traveling to another area. Especially if they're traveling from a 'hot' area to an area with lower/lowering infection rates. Look at Sturgis and other large gatherings that have resulted in spikes and outbreaks in areas other than where the event was held.

**YellowTugStrap** · 09-24-2020, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Captain Andy View Post

So I guess this is not going to happen, is it?

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

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