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    Hi folks,

    I am a bit curious on what will be the new norm of Disneyland since this Coronavirus will be here for a period we dont know. Any exciting programs to watch out for during this pandemic time?

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    Until we have leadership that is willing to put in a real national plan in place we will be in this endless loop of whack a mole with the virus killing far more people than needed and delaying the economy getting back on track. Other countries had strict temporary lock downs and mandatory national masks mandates and they are far better off than we are. I have worked for Japanese and European companies and have friends in those regions that keep asking me why are we so backasswords here in the states, their news use to cover the US for all the great things we were doing now we are covered as a cautionary tale. Frankly it's embarrassing. Had we put in a federal lockdown for 30 days backings March and a national mask mandate we'd be at levels so low that far more could be opening including Disneyland the economy ( the real one not the stock market ) would be humming along at a good clip with everybody being able to keep their jobs for the most part. But "it is what it is".

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    • #3
      I think if Disneyland finally opens sometime next year, it will look something like how Walt Disney World is running right now.

      The thing is though, the pandemic will not last forever and at some point it will be safe to gather in groups again. When that happens, I believe that the parks will return to something close to what we consider normal.

      It does sound like however that there will be some changes, like expanding virtual queuing (AKA Boarding Groups), and Mobile Food ordering. Parks management recently stated that the pandemic is giving them an opportunity to test more of the virtual queue system so that’s probably here to stay. We’ll see.
      Mike_M

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      • #4
        My guesses on what to expect:

        -No park hopping(though Disneyland and DCA are already next to each other, so does it actually matter??) Cap on attendance. Maybe the reservations are divided for Disney hotel guests/APs, to balance out crowds

        -No Fantasmic, Parades, Fireworks or World of Color. Traveling Cavalcades likely to happen instead.

        -Certain attractions remain closed. Bibbidi Bobiddi Boutique, Meet & Greet Royal hall, A significant portion of ToonTown(Play areas like Goofy's house). Certain restaurants closed or reworked, like Oga's Cantina.

        -Plexiglass added to BTM, Indy, Incredicoaster vehicles. Other ride vehicles restricted to 'parties only' like Pirates or RoTR.

        -STRICTEST guidelines out of all Disney parks worldwide. No Face characters allowed unless they wear a mask or are behind plexiglass. No character dining. No "Mask Free Zones". No Park Re-Entry. Pathways divided to allow two traffic.

        -Avengers Campus opens "quietly" or the land is unofficially open and remains in 'preview mode/soft opening. Land is not officially dedicated until late next year. Also, no Spidey AA or Dr. Strange Show.

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        • #5
          likely masks will become a necessity...I've thought it becoming a regular piece of attire...masks do make sense...
          I am old. But still love Disneyland.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bayouguy View Post
            likely masks will become a necessity...I've thought it becoming a regular piece of attire...masks do make sense...
            Public health experts say masks will likely remain a necessity for a considerable period of time after a vaccine is available. The vaccine itself will not be enough to eradicate COVID-19.


            Will we be wearing masks forever? Here's what experts think

            New comments from several prominent public health officials suggest that mask-wearing may be here to stay.

            Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Wednesday during testimony before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies that face masks may be more protective than a vaccine. “We have clear scientific evidence they work, and they are our best defense,” he said. “I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine.”

            Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recently told Business Insider that “a combination of an effective vaccine and adherence to certain public health principles will get us to the point where we want to be, by the end of 2021.”

            “I never said just the vaccine,” he continued. “You never should abandon the public health measures. And the intensity of the public health measures would depend on the level of infection in the community.” If there’s little to no spread of COVID-19 in any given community, then, Fauci says, “together with the vaccine, you might want to be able to say, ‘I can safely congregate with people.’ You may want to do it with a mask, or without a mask.”...

            All this raises a huge question: Are face masks here to stay? Experts say they just might be.

            Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist and professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, tells Yahoo Life that he’s thought about this “a lot” lately, and there are a few reasons why he thinks masks have staying power.

            “Most of us think that a COVID-19 vaccine will be a good — but not perfect — vaccine,” he says. If a COVID-19 vaccine is 70 percent effective, which is more effective than the flu vaccine has been in recent years, “that means for every 10 people vaccinated, three will remain as susceptible as they were before they were vaccinated,” Schaffner says. “That means the only way they can be protected and the only way we can protect them is to keep wearing masks,” he adds.

            Dr. Amesh A. Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, agrees. “A COVID-19 vaccine is likely not going to provide sterilizing immunity the way the measles vaccine does,” he tells Yahoo Life. “We’re going to still need to take protective measures for some time period, potentially until a second-generation vaccine is developed.”

            Getting the population fully vaccinated once a vaccine is developed will also take some time and, with that, mask-wearing may become more ingrained in our culture, Adalja says.

            Even once a vaccine is widely disseminated, it’s expected that some people won’t get it — and that could allow the virus to continue to spread. “The only logical thing is we will have to continue wearing masks and social distancing for quite some time,” Schaffner says.


            Data has also shown that wearing masks could help affect the spread of other respiratory viruses, such as the flu. “In the Southern Hemisphere, there were very low flu rates this season — their winter — which have been partially attributed to the lockdowns and other measures,” Dr. David Cennimo, assistant professor of medicine-pediatrics infectious disease at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, tells Yahoo Life. “So, why wouldn’t we keep using masks, at least in the winter?”

            Cennimo says masks may be a good option in the future for high-risk settings and settings with close contact “even after COVID-19 has died down.” Masks could also help prevent the spread of the common cold, rhinoviruses and the flu “just the same” as COVID-19, since they’re transmitted similarly, he says.

            Schaffner says that masks may eventually become more common in the U.S., similarly to how they’re used in Eastern countries. “Perhaps we are moving more toward what’s happened for years in countries in the East where, during cold and flu season, many people wear masks to protect themselves and others,” he says. “Masks may simply become part of life.”




            "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
            it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
            together with every variety of recreation and fun,
            designed to appeal to everyone."

            - Walt Disney

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            - Michael Eisner

            "It's very symbiotic."
            - Bob Chapek

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            • #7
              we just got back from walt disney world and knew what to expect going in. Disney made the most of it. They had random cavalcades all around the park as a mini parade treat, the cast members were strict on social distancing and mask wearing. Was it different? yes. what is manageable? yes. was there still disney magic? yes. I know this sounds corny but just trying to be positive and taking it for what it is really helped. Wearing a mask in the florida humidity was tough- itll be a bit easier at disneyland. There will be plexiglass on certain rides no more single rider, no more hugging mickey...but disney finds a way to make it work. We had our own car on each ride and the wait times looked long but they were about half the time. I hate to say it but it is what it is. Eventually people will get over the initial shock of it and realize its not the same and wont be for a while and they will adjust

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Starcade View Post
                Until we have leadership that is willing to put in a real national plan in place we will be in this endless loop of whack a mole with the virus killing far more people than needed and delaying the economy getting back on track. Other countries had strict temporary lock downs and mandatory national masks mandates and they are far better off than we are. I have worked for Japanese and European companies and have friends in those regions that keep asking me why are we so backasswords here in the states, their news use to cover the US for all the great things we were doing now we are covered as a cautionary tale. Frankly it's embarrassing. Had we put in a federal lockdown for 30 days backings March and a national mask mandate we'd be at levels so low that far more could be opening including Disneyland the economy ( the real one not the stock market ) would be humming along at a good clip with everybody being able to keep their jobs for the most part. But "it is what it is".
                Since this pandemic is an unexpected outburst, all were unprepared. And we can see that countries have various plans and approach to combat this Covid19. Yet I do agree with you that somehow there should be a national plan lead by a good leadership. Otherwise, we wont be movin' a notch ahead against this pandemic.

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                • #9
                  Oh yay. Another COVID-19 discussion with the typical mis-information sprinkled about, covered in a patina of politics.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starcade View Post
                    Until we have leadership that is willing to put in a real national plan in place we will be in this endless loop of whack a mole with the virus killing far more people than needed and delaying the economy getting back on track. Other countries had strict temporary lock downs and mandatory national masks mandates and they are far better off than we are. I have worked for Japanese and European companies and have friends in those regions that keep asking me why are we so backasswords here in the states, their news use to cover the US for all the great things we were doing now we are covered as a cautionary tale. Frankly it's embarrassing. Had we put in a federal lockdown for 30 days backings March and a national mask mandate we'd be at levels so low that far more could be opening including Disneyland the economy ( the real one not the stock market ) would be humming along at a good clip with everybody being able to keep their jobs for the most part. But "it is what it is".


                    European nations imposing new lockdowns as coronavirus cases surge out of control

                    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/europe...ut-of-control/
                    "And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, "​ This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ANadventureTime View Post
                      we just got back from walt disney world and knew what to expect going in. Disney made the most of it. They had random cavalcades all around the park as a mini parade treat, the cast members were strict on social distancing and mask wearing. Was it different? yes. what is manageable? yes. was there still disney magic? yes. I know this sounds corny but just trying to be positive and taking it for what it is really helped. Wearing a mask in the florida humidity was tough- itll be a bit easier at disneyland. There will be plexiglass on certain rides no more single rider, no more hugging mickey...but disney finds a way to make it work. We had our own car on each ride and the wait times looked long but they were about half the time. I hate to say it but it is what it is. Eventually people will get over the initial shock of it and realize its not the same and wont be for a while and they will adjust
                      Glad you had a good time. I am heading out to Florida next month and hope to make a 1 day stop at Disney World.
                      "And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, "​ This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jar.Jar.Abrams View Post
                        Oh yay. Another COVID-19 discussion with the typical mis-information sprinkled about, covered in a patina of politics.
                        Yup. It's the same old tune with a different title.
                        “Not the least hard thing to bear when they go from us, these quiet friends, is that they carry away with them
                        so many years of our own lives.”


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stovk View Post

                          yup. It's the same old tune with a different title.
                          i agree !
                          Soaring like an EAGLE !

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                          • #14
                            I think that DL will be different than DW mainly because there are a far greater number of self-centered people visiting DL than DW.

                            Sort of like the generalization that most guests at DW are tourists who visit because they want to simply enjoy the park where a pretty fair number of guests at DL feel they own the park and can do whatever they want. This will make crowd control far more difficult.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by micromind View Post
                              I think that DL will be different than DW mainly because there are a far greater number of self-centered people visiting DL than DW.

                              Sort of like the generalization that most guests at DW are tourists who visit because they want to simply enjoy the park where a pretty fair number of guests at DL feel they own the park and can do whatever they want. This will make crowd control far more difficult.
                              I've worked ops on both coasts. Guests generally act the same, regardless of the park.

                              The only thing that makes crowd control difficult at DL, as a general thing, is the lack of space.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by micromind View Post
                                I think that DL will be different than DW mainly because there are a far greater number of self-centered people visiting DL than DW.

                                Sort of like the generalization that most guests at DW are tourists who visit because they want to simply enjoy the park where a pretty fair number of guests at DL feel they own the park and can do whatever they want. This will make crowd control far more difficult.
                                It’s been my observation over the years that the repeat guests (ones that appear to have some familiarity with the park, or have at least done their homework on what to expect) are mostly well behaved.

                                The guests that I’ve seen acting arrogant or misbehaving are generally the ones that don’t appear to have experience with the park’s norms or rules. Complaining about lines, or not being able to get a last minute table for ‘reservation only dining’, or not anticipating the traffic caused by parades/F!/fireworks and being pushy or rude in the crowds. These are most likely the ‘once in a lifetime trip’ guests who didn’t do their homework and just expected Disney to appease their every whim and desire, and have instead become disappointed/frustrated by the reality of it.
                                Last edited by Mike_M; 11-04-2020, 10:58 AM.
                                Mike_M

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                                Disneyland Paris

                                1980, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1989
                                1990, 1992, 1993

                                2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009
                                2010, 2011, 2014, 2016, 2016, 2017, 2/2019, 11/2019
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Mike_M View Post

                                  It’s been my observation over the years that the repeat guests (ones that appear to have some familiarity with the park, or have at least done their homework on what to expect) are mostly well behaved.

                                  The guests that I’ve seen acting arrogant or misbehaving are generally the ones that don’t appear to have experience with the park’s norms or rules. Complaining about lines, or not being able to get a last minute table for ‘reservation only dining’, or not anticipating the traffic caused by parades/F!/fireworks and being pushy or rude in the crowds. These are most likely the ‘once in a lifetime trip’ guests who didn’t do their homework and just expected Disney to appease their every whim and desire, and have instead become disappointed/frustrated by the reality of it.
                                  This is why I believe that no matter what, tourists should just visit Disney World over Disneyland.

                                  I'm not knocking on Disneyland, but people have always compared it to that of an "ant hill" (myself included). Disneyland is special because it's so nostalgic, but if I didn't have those memories to influence my decision, Disney World would be my top choice as far as vacations go.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Captain Andy View Post

                                    This is why I believe that no matter what, tourists should just visit Disney World over Disneyland.

                                    I'm not knocking on Disneyland, but people have always compared it to that of an "ant hill" (myself included). Disneyland is special because it's so nostalgic, but if I didn't have those memories to influence my decision, Disney World would be my top choice as far as vacations go.
                                    I mostly agree with you.

                                    I think that WDW is definitely better setup for inexperienced guests. Planning your days (rides, meals, etc) months in advance helps people set expectations. Some people even learn to love the planning process as part of the experience.

                                    DL on the other hand requires a bit of tribal knowledge to do what most of us take for granted, which is walk in with almost no plan. At least not a tangible, drawn out one.

                                    I know my way around the park without a map (though I always grab one anyways), have crowd patterns and approximate queue times in my head based on what I see around me and have seen over the years. I know which times it’s more likely to get a same day table for Blue Bayou or Carnation Cafe, but am not thrown off if it’s not possible. I know roughly what I can accomplish in a day, and when I have multiple days in the park, I’m less concerned about getting it all in. This isn’t meant as bragging, it’s just that four decades of trips to DL teaches you a few things.

                                    Experience counts a lot at DLR.

                                    The only thing I disagree with you on, for myself at least, is that I can’t see WDW as my top choice if I didn’t have my experience at DL guiding my decision. Maybe I’m blind to my prejudice here, but for me, DL is the superior park to MK for a lot of reasons and I think I’d always see that. Don’t get me wrong, I did have fun the two times I went to WDW. But the structure of it all just doesn’t go with my personality. I prefer the looser environment and walkable nature in Anaheim.
                                    Last edited by Mike_M; 11-04-2020, 04:26 PM.
                                    Mike_M

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                                    1990, 1992, 1993

                                    2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009
                                    2010, 2011, 2014, 2016, 2016, 2017, 2/2019, 11/2019
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                                    • #19
                                      Yeah, DL is much more chill than WDW. I feel relaxed at DL and know it so well I don't ever have to plan. I can just do it. That makes it a better experience than MK is for me. I also think DL is more charming than MK.

                                      I do like WDW a lot and wish I could return sometime. But the vibe there is kinda weird. Every few feet it seems like someone's trying to sell me a time share. The bubble is over the top in a way that feels unnatural to me. And those buses... omg. I hate them. If and when I return to WDW I hope I can stay in a way that does not involve buses. So... I guess I'm trying to say I understand why someone would prefer to vacation at DL. But that bubble is attractive to a lot of people and I think is why a lot of people prefer WDW. IDGI but that's me.

                                      As for behavior. Eh, I think it's a draw. It's crowded. Some people get mean in those circumstances. I don't think it's worse at one park or the other.
                                      "I wish they all could be California Bears!"

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                                      • #20
                                        When Buena Vista Street reopens, it's going to be the real test on how guests will act in the West Coast parks. I honestly hope guests act responsible, otherwise it may close back up.

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