i've seen recent videos of people at Disneyland and i see that a lot of people are not wearing masks even when they literally standing right next to someone. are masks not unforced at any point? if i want to feel comfortable being at the park, i want to be sure that the people around me are staying safe. until this calms down, its going to take me a few years before i feel completely safe to travel internationally and be at the park.
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Outdoors masks aren't required. As you walk indoors, there's often someone politely reminding you to put on your mask. Often many people in a queue will not bother with masks.Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.Mark Twain
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Masks are not required for anyone outdoors, but they are required for everyone indoors. Many queue lines begin outdoors and then move indoors (POC, HM). Some queue lines are completely outdoors (BTM). And on Space Mountain the queue is indoor, then outdoor, then indoor again. Masks are going up and down while in that line.
CMs are back to asking you to “fill all available space” in queue lines. So yes, you will be right next to people while in line, many not wearing masks.
There are usually CMs reminding masks to be worn when the queues move indoors.
In September we never saw a guest fight against the indoor mask requirement. And I would say about 1/4-1/3 of guests were wearing masks outdoors. Although on the two days that hit close to 100 degrees, guests wearing masks outdoors became a much rarer sight.
Hopefully that information helps you make your decision. We really enjoyed our September visit!
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Originally posted by Jaymi View Posti've seen recent videos of people at Disneyland and i see that a lot of people are not wearing masks even when they literally standing right next to someone. are masks not unforced at any point? if i want to feel comfortable being at the park, i want to be sure that the people around me are staying safe. until this calms down, its going to take me a few years before i feel completely safe to travel internationally and be at the park."And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, " This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???
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Originally posted by TacAlert View Post
One less person in the park then. It's always clearly been said, that if you don't feel comfortable, then stay home. But no masks are required outside at DL. Distancing isn't even required. And lo and behold, there have been no outbreaks at DL.
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Originally posted by disneychrista View PostI assume OC does not have a mask mandate?
Orange County health officer who mandated face masks resigns after facing threats and protests at her home
OC Officials Express Concern Over Death Threat to Public Health Officer Over Mask Order
O.C. health officer quits after receiving threats over mask requirement order
No proof of vaccination is needed to enter DLR. Masks are not required outdoors -- even when people are packed shoulder-to-shoulder as in these MiceChat Update photos from last month:
Masks are required on indoor rides. (Good luck with DLR's understaffed and overworked CMs being able to enforce it.)
"Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
together with every variety of recreation and fun,
designed to appeal to everyone."
- Walt Disney
"Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
- Michael Eisner
"It's very symbiotic."
- Bob Chapek
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Deleted: Point madeLast edited by Brian PieGuy; 11-20-2021, 10:15 PM.“I think, therefore I am... confused.”
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Originally posted by disneychrista View Post
That does not mean that no one has gotten COVID from visiting the park. It just means they can no prove that that is where the infection came from."And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, " This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???
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Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
No proof of vaccination is needed to enter DLR. Masks are not required outdoors -- even when people are packed shoulder-to-shoulder as in these MiceChat Update photos from last month:
"And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, " This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???
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I would disagree with the statement that they cannot figure out where the virus came from. Just last week a major outbreak was determined to have come from a series of concerts two weeks ago at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Multiple health departments around the country in different states contacted the patients and did contact tracing. They determined that the people who came down with the virus had all attended the same concert. They all had the same substrain of the virus. They all complained that the concert venue had poor air conditioning and... Nobody was wearing their masks despite a requirement for 100% masking. And we know Las Vegas isn't monitoring anything.
So they are still looking and can still prove outbreaks even in a virus that has spread to at least 100 million people in the US. It's just not happening everywhere. As case rates decline it makes it easier for health departments to research and trace again, so if an outbreak were to occur at Disneyland it is more likely as time goes by that it would be identified.
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I love it here in Orange County. Huntington Beach was one of the only places in California that had clubs open last year, and we got high-profile entertainers to come as a result. We also kept our beaches open longer than most. It was a lot of fun.
As far as the health officer quitting, I agree that it was highly inappropriate to make threats at her home, but I also think it's inappropriate for that to be an unelected position. Just my take.Last edited by Brian PieGuy; 11-20-2021, 08:11 PM.“I think, therefore I am... confused.”
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Originally posted by ClownLoach View PostI would disagree with the statement that they cannot figure out where the virus came from. Just last week a major outbreak was determined to have come from a series of concerts two weeks ago at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Multiple health departments around the country in different states contacted the patients and did contact tracing. They determined that the people who came down with the virus had all attended the same concert. They all had the same substrain of the virus. They all complained that the concert venue had poor air conditioning and... Nobody was wearing their masks despite a requirement for 100% masking. And we know Las Vegas isn't monitoring anything.
So they are still looking and can still prove outbreaks even in a virus that has spread to at least 100 million people in the US. It's just not happening everywhere. As case rates decline it makes it easier for health departments to research and trace again, so if an outbreak were to occur at Disneyland it is more likely as time goes by that it would be identified.
"Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
together with every variety of recreation and fun,
designed to appeal to everyone."
- Walt Disney
"Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
- Michael Eisner
"It's very symbiotic."
- Bob Chapek
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For those interested in the latest mask science, I highly recommend reading this excellent 60+ page summary of what we know at this time: https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/...g-paper-64.pdf
Additionally another good read on the topic from CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy at University of Minnesota):
Part 1: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-19-protection
Part 2: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...y-and-why-most
There are 3 main types of science on the topic:
Mechanistic - These are studies done in a lab. For example a mannequin with a mask on. Real world use and controlled lab settings can vary greatly
Observational - These will include studies that compare counties, or different schools for example. Heavily impacted by uncontrolled variables
Randomized Control Trial - Considered the gold standard in medical evidence.
Cloth masks have failed the only 2 randomized controlled trials (a third is underway in Guinea-Bissau). Denmark they failed at protecting wearers. Bangladesh failed at reducing community transmission in adults. Apparently there have been about a dozen for other respiratory viruses, and most have failed.
I'd highly recommend reading these articles if you have strong beliefs in either direction on masking. They are balanced and explain what we know and don't know very well.
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Originally posted by ClownLoach View PostI would disagree with the statement that they cannot figure out where the virus came from. Just last week a major outbreak was determined to have come from a series of concerts two weeks ago at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Multiple health departments around the country in different states contacted the patients and did contact tracing. They determined that the people who came down with the virus had all attended the same concert. They all had the same substrain of the virus. They all complained that the concert venue had poor air conditioning and... Nobody was wearing their masks despite a requirement for 100% masking. And we know Las Vegas isn't monitoring anything.
So they are still looking and can still prove outbreaks even in a virus that has spread to at least 100 million people in the US. It's just not happening everywhere. As case rates decline it makes it easier for health departments to research and trace again, so if an outbreak were to occur at Disneyland it is more likely as time goes by that it would be identified.
Just went to Vegas for the 4th time since the "pandemic" began. I don't wear a mask and I have been fine. Not an anti-masker as one likes to say. Just don't feel it is necessary and I have not gotten sick.
But thank you for the info about the concert."And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, " This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???
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Originally posted by TacAlert View PostNot an anti-masker as one likes to say.
In the aftermath of the Orange County anti-mask protests, you posted on August 22, 2020:
Originally posted by TacAlertProud to be an anti masker. Living to tell about it also.
When called out for not caring about the nearly 200,000 people who had died from COVID at that time, your callous reply was:
Originally posted by TacAlertPeople die. That is a fact of life. Do you get this emotional when someone dies in a car accident? Do you get this emotional when someone dies from cancer? Do you get this emotional when someone gets shot and dies? No, I didn't think so.
So when it is OK though to kill an entire economy and put people out of their businesses they worked so hard for something I have a 99.95% chance of surviving.....yeah, I guess I am twisted.
Oh for the car crash, you have an almost 1% chance of dying in one. Still see cars on the road though. We haven't shut them down yet.
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it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
together with every variety of recreation and fun,
designed to appeal to everyone."
- Walt Disney
"Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
- Michael Eisner
"It's very symbiotic."
- Bob Chapek
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Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
When called out for not caring about the nearly 200,000 people who had died from COVID at that time, your callous reply was:
"And yes, we implore EVERYBODY to follow the park rules. Having off-ride footage is great, but any still photo's or video's taken ON the coasters at SFMM are strictly against the rules. They are there for your (and everybody's) safety." "Six Flags doesn't allow ANY loose articles on their coasters, and they don't allow video taping on their coasters. " BUT, " This is not true. Six Flags does not allow ANY On-Ride video or pictures on the rides. The ONLY way is if you get explicit permission from Park Management." ???
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Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
Exactly. Anti-maskers and Covid-minimizers continue to use the same bogus logical fallacy that "absence of evidence is proof" (the fallacy is appropriately called argumentum ad ignorantiam -- argument from ignorance).
Perhaps I'm arguing from ignorance, as you suggest, but then again, I'm just reposting an article you put up🤷♂️
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