Setting up for the Third gate

[Jspider]

I've made threads like these on other Forums but now Miceage gets version 2.0 now I the great Jspider shall show what I believe would be the best way to cut da pie

lets start with the picture of the land itself



all of the recommended Land bridges are put in that purpleish blue color accross the roads

1. I've been told that this land is owned by Disney already so they should consider it for the sit of another future parking garage. If left as is or if they built a parking garage they need to put another one of those land bridge things from this section over to section 2.

2. Section 2 is highlyted red because I think that this segment of land is one of the most important for Disney to acquire before putting in the third gate. I've highlighted one of the hotel areas green and the other blue.

The green hotel area looks fine to me but it should probably recieve alot of makeover work in transforming it into a Disney hotel, however prices should stay much lower then what Disney charges for the luxury hotel as this hotel would be targeting more of your average family.

The blue hotel area should probably be comptly torn down and transformed into a second more compact and more efficent Disney hotel, it should also be packaged as a Disney resort for more of your average family to visit, both hotels should probably consider underground facilities like those used in the DLR hotel to help save space and streemline thier services.

Inbetween the two Hotel complexes I would install a solar powered moving sidwalk (themed to the jetsons) to send guests down to the land bridge leading to DCA *see section 4. for details*.

Now the Light blue area is what I would also consider becoming a parking garage (it's either area 1 or this area here) if not then it should still become more parkinglot and be contected by another land bridge to the third gate land

3. Now from the air I assume that you can roughly make out the third gate land. I have highlighted in yellow the area I think should become the actual third gate (if nothing else they should just buy out the hotels and that region would make a prefect third gate). there would only be an entryway at the beginning of the landbridge so that none of the third gate land would be needed for parking (hence the need for another parking garage).

the red highlighted area here is a suggested area to buy before beginning work on the third gate area. if Disney could claim that land then they could build out the third gate over that whole lot and you could basicaly forget about that blue area I have made

The blue area is an area that I would recommend for a third luxury hotel (if Disney did buy out the red area the luxury hotel would be built into the park the same way TDS has theirs built into the park entryway) or it could become a backstage/costuming area for the park

4. The Fourth area is my LA expansion space in DCA (http://www.micechat.com/showthread.php?t=271) if you'll recall, in the LA expansion I recommended building a monerail station for DCA themed to the LAX. Well technicaly speaking you can't have monerail drop off points directly into Disney Parks. Also one of the reasons DCA isn't open as long as Disneyland is exit capacity issues, the trams cant handle both parks closing at once. However with the combination of new parking areas and the moving sidwalk to the park, you could add another entrance onto DCA so that guests could enter through a second entrance into DCA that is themed to the LAX, it would be slightly smaller then the main entryway and would only have the letters D C A infront of it

5. the Green shows my suggestion for how to rerouting the Monerail, the monerail could go parallel to DCA stop at the LAX themed stop and then continue on through the entry way of the third gate then over to the new parking lot for another stop (for the third gate) then it could continue on back to Disneyland.


so Thoughts/Suggestions?

[figment1986]

This idea seems very nice... I can see it slowly done within what... 20 years....

Esp the 2 resorts added... (but isn't disney already slowly buying the smaller (crapy) resorts along the roads and transforming them or closing them..... This could work with that...)

The parking lot they own should not be touched unless they can build a new parking garage fast during the off season.... who knows if they may actually need it...

The LAX expansion seems nice... though... is it really nessesary... (like how do you controll the monorail people from park hopping on the monorail and only entering once..)

[mp3piratesavvy]

Third Park? We dont even have 2. DCA is still a half-day park. They need to fix DCA before they think about another park. Because if they build another park like DCA, we can see some serious problems

[testtrack321]

Isnt' #3 the Anaheim Convention Center? :confused:

[figment1986]

I thought it was to the left of #3.... But it might be there.. whihc would mess the plans up... since why would disney mess up a center partly paid by them to get DCA and DTD built.....

[Jspider]

This idea seems very nice... I can see it slowly done within what... 20 years....

Esp the 2 resorts added... (but isn't disney already slowly buying the smaller (crapy) resorts along the roads and transforming them or closing them..... This could work with that...)

The parking lot they own should not be touched unless they can build a new parking garage fast during the off season.... who knows if they may actually need it...

The LAX expansion seems nice... though... is it really nessesary... (like how do you controll the monorail people from park hopping on the monorail and only entering once..)

yeah I don't see a third gate being done soon but when they do get ready to build it the resort should be ready for it, so the suggestion is for changes that over time would prep the resort for it's introduction

and yeah the resorts would be a bit expensive but it would pay itself off very quickly (disney builds new resorts all of the time in WDW so they could easily buy out ones here and take em out building new ones or converting the salvagable ones) buying that spot of land is almost critical for Disney as you can see by the Map it would do wonders for the resort layout as well as traffic issues (in both DCA and in the potential third gate)

anywho the parking garage probably should be one of the last things built before the third gate would open and so by that point the parking lot in #2 would easily suppliment the loss

at this point as far as the monerails go Disney might want to go the route of WDW and put the entrances and exits outside the parks. I don't know quite what you mean by parkhopping but I think it would be good for that too, basicaly the monerail works in conjunction with everything else to provide a variety of ways to travel between parks and parking locations so that you can ease the stress on the tram's that serve the parking garage (and thus can keep DCA open longer, maybe it would close 30min before Disneyland rather then an hour ahead of Disneyland, idealy you'd want all three parks open till almost the exact same time)

I like the LAX just because it's a great way to theme a DCA monerial stop as well as one that works in conjunction with a luxery hotel

[Jspider]

Isnt' #3 the Anaheim Convention Center? :confused:

nope Figment's right the center is to the left

the center is directly behind DCA

[zugzug15]

the monorail thing would work fine except... either there has to be an entrance gate TO the monorail like there is in DTD currently or (when they redo the submarines) they add a gate into the park at the disneyland stop.

[dch3]

Third Gate???! But there's only 1 gate so far. Where's the 2nd gate?

David H
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[Jspider]

Third Gate???! But there's only 1 gate so far. Where's the 2nd gate?

David H
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gate=park

DCA is the second gate

[Jspider]

the monorail thing would work fine except... either there has to be an entrance gate TO the monorail like there is in DTD currently or (when they redo the submarines) they add a gate into the park at the disneyland stop.

that's kinda the problem, you would either have to build park entrances into the monerail stops or you would have to move every single stop outside the parks and to the front of the parks entrances

the monerail stop would be just outside of DCA's second entrance

I'd like to build a new entrance to Disneyland at it's new monerail stop but if it can't happen I guess I'd move it up to that buss dropoff area

the monerail is worth more as a form of transportation that smooths out effeciency of the parks transportation system then it is as an attraction

[olegc]

great synopsis - but

IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.

[Giant Panda]

This talk of a third gate has got me thinking about what the future holds in store when it comes to any sort of developement, be it a themepark, a school, or a housing tract.

I can see a day in the not too distant future (maybe not in my lifetime, but certainly in that of some of you "young'ins") when it may be more economical, when you want to build something, to tear down existing development and build new (aka, redevelopment) instead of building on open land. Why, you ask? One reason is Environmental Law. The Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act, and other related codes that were put in place to protect the environment can make development in some areas difficult. And I think everyone would agree that some open space is good ....... would you like to see the Earth turn into Star Wars' Coruscant (Sp?), the Republic's and later the Empire's "homeworld" that is completely covered with one gigantic city? Assuming the answer is no, then redevelopment (some of which we have seen, especially in older cities) is an inevitable reality.

That being said, redevelopment has ocurred around Disneyland. Old hotels, Melodyland, etc., have been torn down and replaced. It only follows that Disneyland actually has a lot of room to grow. The neighborhood to the West of the DH and PPH, for example, could be bought, the houses raized, and a whole new park built. It's just a matter of time before it becomes more economical to do that than to expand WDW into the Everglades (which must be protected).

[swagdaddy]

They shouldn't do anything till the 2nd gate is fixed and working correctly. For me, that is the bottom line.

Third park would be great. I'd like the WESTCOT idea coming back to light. But until the day comes when DCA is not a blight on the Disneyland property, they should just work with what they have in both parks.

[Giant Panda]

They shouldn't do anything till the 2nd gate is fixed and working correctly. For me, that is the bottom line.

Third park would be great. I'd like the WESTCOT idea coming back to light. But until the day comes when DCA is not a blight on the Disneyland property, they should just work with what they have in both parks.

Agreed, fix DCA first. But I've read (probably Jim Hill) that one of the reasons we did not get Westcot was 'environmental concerns', which include Disney's neighbors as well as butterflies and poppy fields. Same with the proposed park in Long Beach ....... I think they wanted to do a land-fill in the harbor, which is frowned upon by the Army Corps of Engineers ..........

[zugzug15]

IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.

what if its a water park? a disney themed water park would probably NOT take up that much room and that would create plenty of space for a backlot area. good idea? bad idea?

[Jspider]

IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.

that's very true

thats why in this edited edition of the plans I made brief mention that the blue area in Zone 3. might be best served as a backstage area

I think it's also pretty much a given that there would be a backstage roadway and services area around were those houses are if they can't be bought out and encorperated into the park

your right on there being lots of indoor rides, not just because I want it to be impressive but it's also so close to residential areas that you wouldn't want a ton of rides that make load noises and have people screaming (which would be heard all to easily in the urban neighborhoods)

that also rules out a fireworks show (I suppose it will be mitigated to "maybe" another fireworks show)

however specifics about the park are for another thread as it covers other ideas I have about the land (most of what this idea is realted into what would need to happen to prepare for making good use of that land)



I am against using this land for a water park, this is mostly because I don't believe a water park will do much for the resort as far as increasing the length of peoples stay, this land is too much and too valuable to throw away with a water park

if Disney really wants to build a water park I would suggest doing some sort of beach themed water park out behind the paradise pier hotel (yes I think that they could develope that lot without too many proglems, they could also add another parking garage back there if it was REALLY necessary)

I would also recommend that Disney consider building such a park indoors simply so they can keep the temperature nice and warm inside (water parks feel the best in hot weather and California is just mild most of the time, you'd want this water park to be functional pretty much the entire year)

[Jspider]

They shouldn't do anything till the 2nd gate is fixed and working correctly. For me, that is the bottom line.

Third park would be great. I'd like the WESTCOT idea coming back to light. But until the day comes when DCA is not a blight on the Disneyland property, they should just work with what they have in both parks.

well my feeling is that while they shouldn't start building the third gate until DCA is doing well

they should however still work at setting up for development of this land, they should own those resorts design that second entry (and LA expansion) but the final steps would be construction of a new parking garage, rerouting the monerail tracks and actual construction of the third gate park (so basicaly DCA wouldn't have a monerail stop until just before the third gate opens)

[dch3]

Oh so we're discussing ACTUALL, PHYSICALL gates as opposed to wether or not the space on the other side of the gate deserves to be called a theme park?

David H
(I was making a jab at DCA in my original post.)

gate=park

DCA is the second gate

[sleepyjeff]

IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.

Utilidors.