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  • #21
    The utilidors could work for the third park... however it would be quite expensive,
    (esp. with upgrading the old design to be earthquake resistant...)

    And how would you get the park to look notrmal and not being on the second story... and you still need service roads around the park.. MK does at WDW... I seen them when i performed 2 years ago....

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    • #22
      New Updated Map

      Here is an overlay I designed over Jspider's intial image of the Anaheim area so people can get a sense of direction and location.



      The labels are fairly clear as to what area we are discussing so use the colors to identify what you want to focus on.

      I agree with the intial lay out on this posts. The land bridges are brilliant.

      *The light blue areas obviously reflect the East side of both current parks.
      *Dark blue is the strongest location for a 3rd gate
      *Orange is currently parking or areas preposed for parking.
      *Green areas indicate large plots of land already owned and refurbished to Disney standards and will most likely stay.
      *Red are zoned residential
      *Yellow areas represent land which is vital to purchase and control for the growth and expansion of the resort
      *The Grey area on the south west corner represents all those hotels which seem to be doing ok but the photo I am using did not show the full plot of land and I reserve the right for exploration but lack speculation.

      Based on this criteria I would like to reopen the subject on this thread for possibly ideas for how to bring about the age of a 3 gate park system in Anaheim, California.






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      • #23
        A 3rd gate is plausible but before that I would like to see: More Attractions at DCA...make DCA a full-day theme park instead of a 5 hour one and a new Disney-owned resort hotel.

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        • #24
          3rd gate is inevitable Mr. Cool, we are simply discussing possibilities before something very poor is hashed out without consideration. I agree DCA will need work, a 3rd gate is easily a decade away or more but it takes that long to get a new park off the ground that is well designed and ready to go.

          This is applicable a thread as new ride ideas like Western Expeditions and others.






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          • #25
            I just hope it won't be a water park ... no offense to water park fans, just not my cup of tea.

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            • #26
              I whole heartily agree- water parks, gold courses and animal themed parks won't fit the bill---I have an idea and I will share it some point if this thread generates enough interest, wink wink-Tom






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              • #27
                Why not use #1 in the above illustration to move TDA and back lot complexes opening up DL more. Tunnel under Harbor for maintenance vehicle access, costuming etc. Build an Employee parking garage with tram service under Harbor to a facilities near the parks.

                #2 could be redeveloped as a golf course and day spa area for exisiting hotels. If Disney wants to be a true resort, I think a golf course and spa facilities are necessary. Granted, I am not sure if there is a spa facility in existance already, but something bigger and more serene would be nice.

                #3 Leave blank until DCA is built up

                #4 Expand into whats left of the old parking lot

                On a side note, build a twin parking structure next to Mickey and Friends, perhaps not quite as long before building into Timon. Is DTD really all that popular to build a phase 2? I'd rather see a Pleasure Island type thing instead.
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                • #28
                  My suggestion is similar to move some of the maintance building and stupid crap off sight and build a new CM center not central to any of the 3 parks.

                  In as much I still think they should build a 3rd gate. I think there is room for another cool park back on that site. I keep envisioning an entrance like a huge Mickey face sitting up right in the ground. You would enter through the open smile of Mickey---into the the very heart of a new Disney park...(see also the massive gates as seen in Robots as an example)






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                  • #29
                    I kind of wonder if there are cultures that may have issues entering into anything via the mouth of a mouse. As did the MGM Casino here in Vegas with Asian culture I believe entering a building through the mouth of a lion. Hence the remodel of the front area of the MGM.
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                    • #30
                      Is the green area really zoned for an anihiem shopping center?

                      seems a little redundant if you ask me, the resort is shopping enough and with DTD so close by, but who knows if Anhiem has that in mind so be it

                      as far as parking lots go I think that building a parking structure on the side I'm recommending is probably the best thing to do, mostly because when you add a third park along with more resort facilities then your looking at almost doubling what parking there is now (since the Timon lot will now be history) I'm not sure what kind of effect it would have on the local highway system so multiple Disneyland exits might be prime

                      tray for having a Disneyland/DCA exit and then a DCA/(whatever the third gate is) exit, or perhaps just having one exit for Disneyland and the other for DCA/Third gate (assuming that they won't be proven and therefore will be less popular)

                      as far as Spa's and those kind of resort enhancements go I think Disneyland needs to prioritize this

                      the Western side of the park should be were you keep all your deluxe resort features

                      behind the Paridise pier hotel "might" be a good place to put a small waterpark OR they could put in their spa's and golf coarses here were the wealthier guests will likly be staying

                      Disney can easily conpensate for the rise in parking demand in that area by building a parking garage for the people who stay around the Paradise Pier area (DTD will already be recieving it's own parking garage as part of future expansion I've heard, DTD is looking at expanding out towards the existing Micky and Friends garage)

                      I deffinatly agree on all of the yellow areas, I get the idea that the 7/11 and Candycane inn are just reminents of an era now past they'll probably be taken out when the time comes (if you check maps from 1995 you'll see pretty good sized portions of the Timon lot were other small hotels and shops once were)

                      I have been looking at my ariel maps some more and I did notice one thing, there are more old hotels in that area in the red that you labled residential, I'm wondering if Disney could buy those out as well, I think Disney should be the company to own the hotels all with a location directly next to it's parks

                      other competitors can build a block away or whatnot if that's really neccisary, alot of these hotels are pretty raggedy I hear though
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Jspider
                        Is the green area really zoned for an anihiem shopping center?
                        Well it was as of not too long ago. It was surrounded by signs that indicated a new shopping complex from the city of Anaheim- I think it was labeled "Garden Walk"

                        The bottom red area does have some hotels at the corner of Harbor and Orange. I couldn't see the corner so I circled it all red. The upper red corner is mixed use but I am not sure if Disney could purchase that land, those condos and apartments are fairly new. The car rental dealership could probably be purchase and use for more expansion.

                        My map is based on public knowledge and little bits of info CMs gather over time while traveling to and from work. There may in fact be a similar more accurate map controlled by Disney planning commissions.






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                        • #32
                          I just saw a thread over on LP about an article in the LA Times and a San Diego company bought the property across from the propsed 3rd gate for 30 million. The plans include two new hotels and shopping. Here is the link below.

                          - Anaheim Garden Walk Back on Track
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by ah schucks
                            Well it was as of not too long ago. It was surrounded by signs that indicated a new shopping complex from the city of Anaheim- I think it was labeled "Garden Walk"

                            The bottom red area does have some hotels at the corner of Harbor and Orange. I couldn't see the corner so I circled it all red. The upper red corner is mixed use but I am not sure if Disney could purchase that land, those condos and apartments are fairly new. The car rental dealership could probably be purchase and use for more expansion.

                            My map is based on public knowledge and little bits of info CMs gather over time while traveling to and from work. There may in fact be a similar more accurate map controlled by Disney planning commissions.
                            ahh ok, I've heard about that a bit, I thought it was canceld?

                            oh well I'm not a California local so I can't really keep track of all those things, I see empty land hear it's been empty for a while so I think Disney should buy it


                            and yeah, that corner of land isn't too important though theoreticaly if Disney owned both sides they could meld them together into one and get rid of that road that cuts across them which would give them a pretty decent slice of land for more resort expansion while the third gate land could go to third gate things

                            I do think that the cast member parking lot has to go, it could be replaced with yet another parking garage in that yellow area you have above it, every ounce of that third gate land will need to be used for park. One reason I suggested landbridges is simply so that the park could actualy pull of some of the ticketing boothes and entrance gates above the street
                            "We all have sparks, imagination! it's how our minds... create creations!"

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by XterraceEmp
                              I just saw a thread over on LP about an article in the LA Times and a San Diego company bought the property across from the propsed 3rd gate for 30 million. The plans include two new hotels and shopping. Here is the link below.

                              - Anaheim Garden Walk Back on Track
                              If you look at my map I preposed the green area north of the employee lot WAS designated as the Anaheim Garden Walk for a long time. If this shopping complex is open and inviting and replaces old broken cheap motels and dirty nickel and dime tourist dives, I am all for it.






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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by ah schucks
                                If you look at my map I preposed the green area north of the employee lot WAS designated as the Anaheim Garden Walk for a long time. If this shopping complex is open and inviting and replaces old broken cheap motels and dirty nickel and dime tourist dives, I am all for it.
                                I agree that it's better then cheep motels, but I am however a bit concerned about the lack of Disney control

                                Disney really needs to have a good conduit for moving people around their resort and this could very easily become something that get's in their way, possibly leading Disney to not develope the third gate land as entirely theme park, that would give us a park smaller then DCA
                                "We all have sparks, imagination! it's how our minds... create creations!"

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                                • #36
                                  where did you get the aerial photos??

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by dkutz
                                    where did you get the aerial photos??
                                    http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...cDisneyland%7c


                                    oh and just because it's relevant here's a link to 1995 Disneyland
                                    http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...cDisneyland%7c


                                    you can see many of the hotels leave, I think Disney needs to buy up many more and convert them over or thear them down, look what they've done for the Paridise Pier, how about taller hotels with themed disney style pools that are for familys? (like WDW's budget hotels)
                                    "We all have sparks, imagination! it's how our minds... create creations!"

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                                    • #38
                                      Disney will buy that Garden area for a premium but worth every penny

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                                      • #39
                                        Don't you find it interesting that a few days after Iger gets the job....the LA times article about the Anahiem garden..maybe Eisner was the deal breaker...

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by JoeCool
                                          Disney will buy that Garden area for a premium but worth every penny
                                          Disney is gonna let it go- if they wanted it they would have swooped it prior to the SD firm.






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