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  • #21
    Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post

    I say they'll give him at least 3 to 6 months, before potentially giving him the boot. The stock numbers have leveled off, but have not recovered to early fall's numbers.

    January to May will be an interesting time frame to see what Chapek does. Will he make an awards push for the Oscars, or will he snub the whole thing by by having ABC cancel the program? Will he release Turning Red in theaters or demote it to Disney+ status for the 3rd consecutive Pixar film? Will he add more "Disney Stores in Target" in 2022 or scrap that idea and suggest to Target CEO Brian Cornell to close some Target stores next year (despite Disney not owning Target, but admit it everyone, you can see him make that kind of blunder!).
    You could be right......We see how much more, "Bad Press"Disney gets ?
    As well what stock looks like .....Myself I'm Hoping on early year boot !
    IMO
    Soaring like an EAGLE !

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post
      I say they'll give him at least 3 to 6 months, before potentially giving him the boot. The stock numbers have leveled off, but have not recovered to early fall's numbers.

      January to May will be an interesting time frame to see what Chapek does. Will he make an awards push for the Oscars, or will he snub the whole thing by by having ABC cancel the program? Will he release Turning Red in theaters or demote it to Disney+ status for the 3rd consecutive Pixar film? Will he add more "Disney Stores in Target" in 2022 or scrap that idea and suggest to Target CEO Brian Cornell to close some Target stores next year (despite Disney not owning Target, but admit it everyone, you can see him make that kind of blunder!).
      Yep. And while the pandemic may give Chapek at least a partial excuse for stock prices, nothing will protect him from what comes out of his own mouth. Being the "personable public face of the brand" is enormously important for the CEO of Disney -- more so than perhaps any other major corporation. From his appearance at the 2019 D23, to his video on the eve of opening Star Wars Land, to his blunder with Scarlett Johansson, Chapek has been an embarrassment. He ended 2021 by whining to the media about his reputation as a budget-slasher, and will begin 2022 without Zenia Mucha running PR flack for him. As one writer aptly put it, "He has the stage presence of a toothpaste commercial salesman."
      Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 12-23-2021, 08:15 PM.
      "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
      together with every variety of recreation and fun,
      designed to appeal to everyone."

      - Walt Disney

      "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
      - Michael Eisner

      "It's very symbiotic."
      - Bob Chapek

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

        Yep. And while the pandemic may give Chapek at least a partial excuse for stock prices, nothing will protect him from what comes out of his own mouth. Being the "personable public face of the brand" is enormously important for the CEO of Disney -- more so than perhaps any other major corporation. From his appearance at the 2019 D23, to his video on the eve of opening Star Wars Land, to his blunder with Scarlett Johansson, Chapek has been an embarrassment. He ended 2021 by whining to the media about his reputation as a budget-slasher, and will begin 2022 without Zenia Mucha running PR flack for him. As one writer aptly put it, "He has the stage presence of a toothpaste commercial salesman."
        That all he is........Plastic SALEMAN...........semi-synthetic
        and why Disney Parks has become Advertisement Bill Boards -Shopping Malls......IMO
        Geeeee would not trust him,with my toothpaste.

        Soaring like an EAGLE !

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post

          I think Disney's film studios might be in a worse condition than the parks. In 2019, a whopping 7 Disney films made the top 10 international grossing films of the year. But in 2020, movies went straight to streaming because of the pandemic. In the end, Disney didn't have any on top 10 list internationally (Onward still made the domestic list.) Sure, Disney would of lost money by not streaming the movies, but for some reason Chapek thought a $30 price tag was great idea. Or better yet, no price tag! Free with Disney+!

          You would think Disney would priortize theaterical runs this year, but they foolishly chose hybrid releases & streaming only. releases (Pixar has been regulated to Disneytoon Studios status) Because of this, only 2 Disney movies have cracked the top 10 international gross. (Shang-Chi & Eternals). It's no surprised that those films made the list, considering their Disney+ debut were both delayed.

          Meanwhile, Encanto has only racked in $179 Million, but the film will still be going straight to streaming. Only 1 month after its' release. Compare this to the theatrical exclusive run of Spider-Man: No Way Home, which has already made $750 Million in just one week. The film is already the 4th highest film of year. Sure, Disney will get 25% of the revenue(at least $187.5 Million ), but that's a bit embarrassing for streaming happy Chapek.

          And if the rumor was true, maybe Kevin Feige was right about fighting for theatrical releases for the Marvel movies...
          Disney doesn’t care as much about box office now though, they are 100000% in on Disney+ and hoping that fans and consumers are too. In the end the platform makes more money for them if it becomes the primary way people consume films. Netflix is one of the largest distributors around and it doesn’t release a single film exclusively to theaters. The new Vancouver Canada studio is almost exclusively going to be for Disney+ content. Right now the perception is that Pixar’s releases are “b” releases because they went straight to streaming but Disney wants to change that perception and they are doing their darndest to try. Disney is also going to leverage the heck out of Star Wars and Marvel to pump their streaming platform with content. Iger May have started Disney+ but Chapeks career is tied to its outcome.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by linkeq2001 View Post

            Disney doesn’t care as much about box office now though, they are 100000% in on Disney+ and hoping that fans and consumers are too.
            They will now, considering Spider-man: No Way Home is predicted to reach $1 Billion tomorrow. Keep in mind the movie has only been out for 9 days.

            And Disney is only getting a fraction of that money(25% AKA $250 Million, so far). The accountants at Disney are likely fuming.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post

              They will now, considering Spider-man: No Way Home is predicted to reach $1 Billion tomorrow. Keep in mind the movie has only been out for 9 days.

              And Disney is only getting a fraction of that money(25% AKA $250 Million, so far). The accountants at Disney are likely fuming.
              That's what happens when you buy something that has contracts with other studios.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by HMF View Post

                That's what happens when you buy something that has contracts with other studios.
                huh?

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by savarese04 View Post

                  huh?
                  Disney's aquiring of marvel's media rights ONLY included what was included by Marvel studios (distributed by Paramount at the time), but none of the properties that had been previously contracted to other companies, such at Fox's rights to XMen movies, and Sony's rights to Spider-Man movies. Disney obviously aquired Fox, thus making the contracts irrelevant, but Sony remains eager to continue their Spiderman contract, forcing Disney to enter into a partnership in order to have any kind of say.

                  And more famously, Disney only has access to marvel theme park rights on the west coast, and the east coast rights were previously given to Universal Studios (as well as numerous other Fox properties like Simpsons). Meaning that even though Disney "owns" Marvel, other companies have contracts that they are forced to honor. Even if those companies aren't "interested" in Marvel stuff now that Disney owns it, they might still meet the requirements to continue those contracts, just to be a thorn in Disney's side. Or, in the case of Sony, they are MORE than happy piggyback off the reputation Disney is building for the brand, allowing them to do more "experimental" stuff that might not otherwise be as successful (i.e. see Spider verse, Venom. And the theory some make that Disney seeing Sony finding success with their more experimental works leading to Disney to try more experimental, high concept things like Wandavision, Loki, and What if).

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by SkunkID View Post

                    Disney's aquiring of marvel's media rights ONLY included what was included by Marvel studios (distributed by Paramount at the time), but none of the properties that had been previously contracted to other companies, such at Fox's rights to XMen movies, and Sony's rights to Spider-Man movies. Disney obviously aquired Fox, thus making the contracts irrelevant, but Sony remains eager to continue their Spiderman contract, forcing Disney to enter into a partnership in order to have any kind of say.

                    And more famously, Disney only has access to marvel theme park rights on the west coast, and the east coast rights were previously given to Universal Studios (as well as numerous other Fox properties like Simpsons). Meaning that even though Disney "owns" Marvel, other companies have contracts that they are forced to honor. Even if those companies aren't "interested" in Marvel stuff now that Disney owns it, they might still meet the requirements to continue those contracts, just to be a thorn in Disney's side. Or, in the case of Sony, they are MORE than happy piggyback off the reputation Disney is building for the brand, allowing them to do more "experimental" stuff that might not otherwise be as successful (i.e. see Spider verse, Venom. And the theory some make that Disney seeing Sony finding success with their more experimental works leading to Disney to try more experimental, high concept things like Wandavision, Loki, and What if).
                    thanks, but I am intimately familiar with all of that. I was unclear at what the other poster was trying to get at.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post

                      They will now, considering Spider-man: No Way Home is predicted to reach $1 Billion tomorrow. Keep in mind the movie has only been out for 9 days.

                      And Disney is only getting a fraction of that money(25% AKA $250 Million, so far). The accountants at Disney are likely fuming.
                      Pre pandemic in 2019 the total box office for all movies in the domestic market was just over 11 billion dollars, add in Canada and you go up a little bit more. Keep in mind this is total box office receipts and not just the first week’s take, which means a healthy portion of this total goes to theaters themselves and not just the distributor.

                      Again, total box office, all movies combined and not just Disney or any sole distributor. Netflix alone based on its North American subs conservatively makes just under 10 billion a year. Netflix spends a fraction on marketing when compared to films as well.

                      So Spider-Man as an example. A budget of 200 million, marketing usually close to doubles the cost so we will say a total of 350 million for both. In terms of ticket sales it’s at 467 million domestic, less an average of 20% to the theaters meaning approximately 373 million to distributors. 533 international for which a distributors take varies widely from 20% to 60% so we’ll be generous and say 60% meaning take on international is 319 million. So our total revenue to the film distributor would be 692 million of that billion dollars minus the budget and promo and your billion dollar movie makes 342 million dollars profit. Still a lot but FAR less impressive.

                      The end game is having more subs for streaming, it’s far more lucrative and consistent then box office. Sure now that the pandemic is over they will probably stop the dual releases, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they continue with something similar to universal and release on Disney+ 30-45 days after. The further from opening week the greater the % of ticket sales goes directly to the theatre and not Disney anyways. Spider-Man is an outlier because other parties wouldn’t see any profit from it being released to Disney+.

                      In the end though both Iger and Chapek saw the cash cow that is streaming. What’s to be seen is if Disney can leverage their properties to become Netflix
                      linkeq2001
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                      Last edited by linkeq2001; 12-28-2021, 02:27 AM.

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