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  • Morrigoon
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    Gas prices and DL cast retention

    So here's an interesting point I've been musing over...

    Gas prices are dangerously flirting with $4/gal. We all know that by summer they'll have solidly pushed past that price threshold (and no doubt gone beyond). While this is affecting everyone, it's particularly hard on low wage earners. I think starting pay for CMs these days is $9.05/hr, isn't it? Or approximately 2 gallons of gas after taxes.

    Given that a large percentage of the DL cast lives in far flung (and ostensibly cheaper to live) places like Riverside or Corona, how long can Disney sustain casting levels at the park at the current wage?

    Seems a pity, since I think they only just raised those wages a couple months ago, but I'm thinking another wage hike may be unavoidable if gas prices stay this high. At some point those far-flung CMs are going to have to make some tough decisions about their commutes.

    So Disney is probably going to have to start figuring out how to keep the parks fully staffed, with an all-OC applicant pool. Tough business, that. I wonder what they're going to have to pay to keep the park fully staffed with quality people?

  • ashley solo
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    My commute to DL is $12/week if I work a 5 day work week (which is not reasonable... it'll probably be less, unfortnuately). If I work six hours a day I'd make $54, $271/week. So gas is taking only 4%. I'd say I'm doing ok gas wise... for now.

    I live only six miles away though, so I'm really lucky.

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  • StrikeYerColors
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    in my school paper there was an article about gas prices affecting summer plans, and one kid at my school had to give up his DL job because he can't afford to commute from his home in San Diego for the summer. just though I'd share! It's def having an effect.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by GhostHostJeff View Post
    I live in Riverside and the drive to Disneyland one way is exactly 44 miles. I've worked there for a year now and still think I will be only making 9.40 an hour. I also might only be doing one parade (which is only a four hour shift.) If I can't get into a second parade I may have to take the summer off from working at Disneyland. It would just not be logical for me to drive 88 miles a day for 4 hours of work.
    Even if you have a 30 mpg vehicle that commute costs about $12 in gas. Then there is the wear and tear on your car to consider. Assuming a 5 day work week you would be commuting 23K miles per year, plus any other driving you do. Even the sturdiest Japanese cars last only so long. Its one thing if you commuting like that to a 100K job, but it seems like financial suicide for low wage earners.

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  • GhostHostJeff
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    I live in Riverside and the drive to Disneyland one way is exactly 44 miles. I've worked there for a year now and still think I will be only making 9.40 an hour. I also might only be doing one parade (which is only a four hour shift.) If I can't get into a second parade I may have to take the summer off from working at Disneyland. It would just not be logical for me to drive 88 miles a day for 4 hours of work.

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  • ashley solo
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    Originally posted by fkurucz View Post
    Sometimes I think that these passes should be free. The cost savings from reduced pollution, traffic congestion, less road construction and repair would probably pay for it.
    I agree.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by ravencroft View Post
    Disney may decide to provide Metro Passes to all CMs above casual employment level. Then they can take the train in (on their own time) and the cost to Disney is a approximately $100 per ticket per month.

    Disney could negotiate a deal with the Metrolink and Amtrak.
    Sometimes I think that these passes should be free. The cost savings from reduced pollution, traffic congestion, less road construction and repair would probably pay for it.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by ravencroft View Post
    If you think this is a transient event, you need to read a book entitled: "The Long Emergency" - Check it out on Amazon. The author does a decent job of describing how our lives will change with the increase of fuel/energy costs.
    I haven't read the book, but here is one "prediction": Lower middle class Americans will no longer have cars, as they won't be able to afford to "feed" them. They won't be able to afford newer, fuel efficient cars either. The current model, where they buy old clunkers just won't work, because most of the available clunkers will be gas hogs.

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  • ravencroft
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    Originally posted by Morrigoon View Post
    I only live 17 miles from the park, but I have to think about it before I decide to drive up there. A large portion of DL's workforce, due to their low incomes, lived in places like Riverside and Corona. If gas prices get to a point where those people can no longer afford their commutes, Disney is going to have to compete even more for the local workers.
    Disney may decide to provide Metro Passes to all CMs above casual employment level. Then they can take the train in (on their own time) and the cost to Disney is a approximately $100 per ticket per month.

    Disney could negotiate a deal with the Metrolink and Amtrak.

    If you think this is a transient event, you need to read a book entitled: "The Long Emergency" - Check it out on Amazon. The author does a decent job of describing how our lives will change with the increase of fuel/energy costs.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by mohavewolfpup View Post
    I doubt it really does keep them awake at night. they know it's disney after all, and people will file into the lines, just at a reduced rate.
    But that translates in lower profits, which in today's "take no prisoners" business model means layoffs.

    Originally posted by mohavewolfpup View Post
    It's not 1955 disneyland/disney anymore, where just movies and a theme park support the whole company, their fingers are in every pie out there now. bet they already have plans of ditching the theme park ticket tax being proposed on the customers already and most likely are already geared up for it...
    I didn't say that they would lose sleep at Galactic HQ, just in TDA.

    Originally posted by mohavewolfpup View Post
    The only way they will have a healthy dose of insomina is if it starts affecting their ability to buy more mercedes benz and aramni suits
    Have no fear, the big boys won't feel any pain, at least not in the near term. I'm thinking more along the lines of people in middle management and below in the TDA building. Corporate America considers these people cannon fodder when profits dip.

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  • mojavewolfpup
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    Originally posted by JeffYardDog View Post
    How are the rides at Stater Bros ?
    it's wild, nothing beats suddenly cutting off a old lady near the roasted chicken hot case, tires squealing and jumping the lifted tile a few feet... so wild!


    Originally posted by fkurucz View Post
    They know that meals, cokes and snacks are expensive. What will happen as the money gets tighter? Will those AP's not be renewed? Or will other luxuries be dropped instead? I'm sure this question keeps the suits in the TDA building awake at night.
    I doubt it really does keep them awake at night. they know it's disney after all, and people will file into the lines, just at a reduced rate. it's not 1955 disneyland/disney anymore, where just movies and a theme park support the whole company, their fingers are in every pie out there now. bet they already have plans of ditching the theme park ticket tax being proposed on the customers already and most likely are already geared up for it...

    The only way they will have a healthy dose of insomina is if it starts affecting their ability to buy more mercedes benz and aramni suits The smart ones will wake up and realize the greedification of the park(s) will only hurt them in the long run and ruin their name brand in alot of peoples eyes...

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  • Rex Dopey24
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    he's like these suckers will never learn the truth. lol.

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  • PanTheMan
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    So when will the Energy policy of this nation be made public?

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  • Elle
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    After much deliberation, I decided to leave DL not too long ago.
    Gas prices weren't the main reason, but it was one of them (coming up with a good reason for quitting Disneyland is the toughest thing in the world).

    Alas, living in Glendale, it was just way too hard.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by Wally View Post
    It's not secret that those prices get jacked up. That's standard for amusement parks, movie theatres, hotel lobby shops etc. I am talking about the stuff offered backstage for the Cast. Gone are the days of subsidizing the meals, I understand that. But, the prices should be comparable to the outside world. If I can get a can of coke for 75 cents in the real world, why does it cost 90 cents in the break room? It's just plain greed.
    With all the trouble the DLR has in attracting and retaining employees one would think that gouging them for snacks and meals would be a bad idea. I'm sure that it looks good on a spreadsheet somewhere... just another example of Corporate America being pennywise and pound foolish.

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  • Wally
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    Originally posted by mohavewolfpup View Post
    here's a bigger joke for you. Simply Orange orange juice, it's 1.69 at stater brothers for the exact same size bottle. Price a guest pays in the park for it? (tommorrowland fruit cart under the observatron space wreckage is where I saw this) 4.50! yep, you read it right! go and look if you don't believe me...

    i find it funny that backstage in pizza port is a quote from walt basically saying that he didn't want games of chance, etc in his park that cheat the guest out of their money. Today we just call it outdoor vending and stores! seriously. 3.00 churros? 4.50 bottles of orange juice? insane markups on disney merchandise? so much for not cheating the guest out of their hard earned money...
    It's not secret that those prices get jacked up. That's standard for amusement parks, movie theatres, hotel lobby shops etc. I am talking about the stuff offered backstage for the Cast. Gone are the days of subsidizing the meals, I understand that. But, the prices should be comparable to the outside world. If I can get a can of coke for 75 cents in the real world, why does it cost 90 cents in the break room? It's just plain greed.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by JeffYardDog View Post
    How are the rides at Stater Bros ?

    Seriously, though the prices are outrageous, there is a correlation here between the effect of 'giving away' Disneyland visits with the Annual Passes and recouping the lost funds (and operational costs to run the attractions) through consumables.
    That is the business model. Even if you intend to be frugal, once you get thirsty you just cough up the $$$ for the bottled water or pop.

    Of course, most SoCal'ers are aware of how much a day trip to DLR costs, even with APs. They know that meals, cokes and snacks are expensive. What will happen as the money gets tighter? Will those AP's not be renewed? Or will other luxuries be dropped instead? I'm sure this question keeps the suits in the TDA building awake at night.

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  • fkurucz
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    Originally posted by vfire View Post
    At $10 per gallon gas, we'll have to go back to living in close-quartered urban living to be near our jobs. All those newly minted exurbs will become ghost towns, and the suburbs will either become really expensive to live in due to the cost of the commute or effective public transportation systems will have to be built.
    It will definitely have an effect on the exurbs. Even with a 50+ mpg car, a 100 mile RT to the office @ $10 a gallon will cost $20. Thats $400 a month (Imagine how much it will cost in a pickup truck: $1000+ per month). Car pooling will become necessary for most folks. Those who live in the exurbs and more distant suburbs will have to adapt. Those who can will telecommute. One thing will be certain, the value of homes in exurbs will decline substantially.

    Some are theorizing that we will see a reverse migration. Instead of the middle class fleeing to the burbs leaving the central city to the poor, they see the opposite happening: inner city values rise and force the poor to the exurbs, to live in foreclosed McMansions that will be converted into section 8 apartments.

    We are entering uncharted territory. Up until now cheap energy has always been available. Some are concerned about agricultural production, which in our country due to the use of chemical fertilizers and mechanization is an energy intensive enterprise.

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  • vfire
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    At $10 per gallon gas, we'll have to go back to living in close-quartered urban living to be near our jobs. All those newly minted exurbs will become ghost towns, and the suburbs will either become really expensive to live in due to the cost of the commute or effective public transportation systems will have to be built.

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  • JeffYardDog
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    Originally posted by mohavewolfpup View Post
    here's a bigger joke for you. Simply Orange orange juice, it's 1.69 at stater brothers for the exact same size bottle. Price a guest pays in the park for it? (tommorrowland fruit cart under the observatron space wreckage is where I saw this) 4.50! yep, you read it right! go and look if you don't believe me...

    i find it funny that backstage in pizza port is a quote from walt basically saying that he didn't want games of chance, etc in his park that cheat the guest out of their money. Today we just call it outdoor vending and stores! seriously. 3.00 churros? 4.50 bottles of orange juice? insane markups on disney merchandise? so much for not cheating the guest out of their hard earned money...
    How are the rides at Stater Bros ?

    Seriously, though the prices are outrageous, there is a correlation here between the effect of 'giving away' Disneyland visits with the Annual Passes and recouping the lost funds (and operational costs to run the attractions) through consumables.
    Last edited by JeffYardDog; 05-04-2008, 10:52 AM.

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