Why no Frontierland?

[Adventurer]

What is the official explanation for that one?

[Disney Vault]

Because it was built cheaply. That place is way too small.

[Adventurer]

Because it was built cheaply. That place is way too small.

Heh.

[disneyray86]

During the design stage they actually had a frontierland set up but it was dropped due to Cutural reasons...In other words they didn't want to offend them...

[Adventurer]

During the design stage they actually had a frontierland set up but it was dropped due to Cutural reasons...In other words they didn't want to offend them...

What about Frontierland would offend the Chinese?

[WDW1974]

^^^Nothing. Disney just wanted to cut corners and build a MK 'on the cheap' ... or because the locals prefer taking pictures, walking through gardens and meeting characters more than true magical Disney experiences. (Hey, that's what the press releases say, so it must be true!)

[mickhyperion]

^^^

My guess would be that the gun slinging, pioneering spirit of America's old west runs a little counter to the Communist Chinese ideology. It's not exactly a free country over there like the wild wild west and the government probably wouldn't want their population to get any wild ideas.

[TDLFAN]

^^^

My guess would be that the gun slinging, pioneering spirit of America's old west runs a little counter to the Communist Chinese ideology. It's not exactly a free country over there like the wild wild west and the government probably wouldn't want their population to get any wild ideas.

If that is the case, the communists are in for an uphill battle...as most HK citizens still believe in the democratic ways of living when they were under British ruling... even now with them wacky chinese in Peking calling the shots.

[Adventurer]

^^^

My guess would be that the gun slinging, pioneering spirit of America's old west runs a little counter to the Communist Chinese ideology. It's not exactly a free country over there like the wild wild west and the government probably wouldn't want their population to get any wild ideas.

But you're assuming that Frontierland in HKDL would have been a gun sligning wild west Frontierland like in DLP. In the U.S. Parks, Frontierland is not that at all, it's all about Davy Crockett and Riverboats on the Mississippi, and Tom Sawyer. I know that when Walt Disney came up with the idea for Frontierland, he talked about St. Louis when it was the "Gateway to the West" and not cowboys and Tombstone, AZ, and Boot Hill.

[Adventurer]

even now with them wacky chinese in Peking calling the shots.

Yeah, that's why the airport code for Beijing is still PEK.

[mickhyperion]

But you're assuming that Frontierland in HKDL would have been a gun sligning wild west Frontierland like in DLP. In the U.S. Parks, Frontierland is not that at all, it's all about Davy Crockett and Riverboats on the Mississippi, and Tom Sawyer. I know that when Walt Disney came up with the idea for Frontierland, he talked about St. Louis when it was the "Gateway to the West" and not cowboys and Tombstone, AZ, and Boot Hill.

In Walt's day there were cowboy gunfights that took place in the streets and on the rooftops of Frontierland, western stage coaches that used to ride through, along with the western style shooting gallery that still exists today, the newer Rancho Del Zocalo's southwestern/Zorro motif, etc. Frontierland is and always has been very much about the pioneering days of America's west. Davy Crockett died at the Alamo in Texas, remember, and those were guns they were using, not slingshots.

[Jspider]

it seems to me they were going for good symetry?

they made the park a nice little shape and put the train nice and tight around it

maybe the chinese will like that because of good energy flow or whatever they call it

I dislike the whole design they've really limited expansion


I don't get how the chinese would get frontierland any less then the japanese but whatever I suppose

the park will probably focas all of its new rides on those same three lands

I really don't expect them to ever really add a new land anytime soon

maybe Toontown under the trainstracs like at Disneyland but I'm doubting it

I'm betting they'll line the outter berm with a few Etickets but overall it'll just stay with what it's got

[Adventurer]

In Walt's day there were cowboy gunfights that took place in the streets and on the rooftops of Frontierland, western stage coaches that used to ride through, along with the western style shooting gallery that still exists today, the newer Rancho Del Zocalo's southwestern/Zorro motif, etc. Frontierland is and always has been very much about the pioneering days of America's west. Davy Crockett died at the Alamo in Texas, remember, and those were guns they were using, not slingshots.

But it was never meant to be a wild west "cowboy" place. Cowbowys were but one small element of many that made up the entire American Fronitier, which during the time period Walt wanted to depict, was most of what we now know as the U.S.A., and not just the Far West/Southwest.

[Jspider]

on the subject of Hong Kongs size which we keep coming back to (this being the most recent thread on such a thing)

I figured I should post an article from the well known Jim of Hill

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/artic...le.php?ID=1433

this article I think sums up everything quite nicely

the pictures that is not anything Jim would say

the map of HKDL shows pretty much everythings location and we know from the construction that there is pretty much zero room to really fit much more between attractions


interestingly enough Jim of Hill seems to ignore this in his article

looking at the model of Disneyland I notice one thing

there are three very largue gaps of space inbetween each land for developement

and this is not counting all the small spaces they eventualy ended up shoving things like Critter Country and Toontown


on another subject I was just thinking that in a way China's Adventureland would more more like their frontierland for their country wouldn't it?

of couse if you take that perspective then Frontierland really should've been included as a westernland or whatever were Disney could have shown them exotic and far away places (to them at least)

it would've been great if they'd pulled a switcheroo and made frontierland in Adventurelands usual spot and put adventureland in frontierland's place

[TDLFAN]

the map of HKDL shows pretty much everythings location and we know from the construction that there is pretty much zero room to really fit much more between attractions

According to Randy Savage on this post (scroll to post#15), space inside HKDL is not quite a problem yet as he fills in the proverbial holes based on the blueprints on display at EPCOT)

http://mb./default.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&...esh=0509191700

[Jspider]

According to Randy Savage on this post (scroll to post#15), space inside HKDL is not quite a problem yet as he fills in the proverbial holes based on the blueprints on display at EPCOT)

http://mb./default.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&...esh=0509191700

most of what he says is stuff that may be built outside of the Berm

I have trouble swallowing a giant frontierland (if they did that wouldn't that be the largest land ever built outside the berm of the park? Critter Country and Toontown arn't that big at all) but the rest of it's fairly believable

it will be interesting to watch it develope

as of right now I'm still going to say I'm not a fan of the small amount of space left inside the berm

I always felt that the berm was for the most part supposed to be the park itself and only large showbuildings would be hidden outside the berm

[WDW1974]

I doubt very much that you'll ever see a Frontierland added. Disney hasn't done much with the ones they already have. In the two US parks, you can't even find any themed merchandise at all. The atmosphere/entertainment offerings have been cut way back -- Billy Hill now performs where the Golden Horseshoe did and the MK's Diamond Horseshoe is a character meet-and-greet. The biggest 'hit' attraction from Fr-land is more known for killing a guest in Anaheim than anything else ... so I just don't see it happening.

As for Jim Hill's column ... ugh ... what can I say? (a lot actually since I had a double espresso at 10 p.m. and can't sleep). To me, it read like most of what he writes. Drivel. This one even read like one to make some Disney execs happy, now that his tours have been banned from DL.

There is simply no rational way to compare DL in 1955 with HKDL in 2005. Not after 50 years of Disney theme park knowledge/tradition etc ... the bottom line is there should be a Peter Pan ride ... and a Haunted Mansion ... and a Pirates and a Small World ... NOW! For opening. And they should all be the most modern advanced attractions possible ... 21st century versions of these beloved classics for a whole new world of visitors. To not have any of them shows you the 'build it on the cheap' mindset of the WDC of the last decade. They think people are too stupid to know the difference. I guess DAK, DCA and DSP didn't teach them anything.

[Adventurer]

it would've been great if they'd pulled a switcheroo and made frontierland in Adventurelands usual spot and put adventureland in frontierland's place

You mean like they did and the way it is in Disneyland Paris?

[TheManator]

Because it was built cheaply. That place is way too small.

I just want to give you a swift kick in the ....

Anyways!
My theory, and I hope I don't offend anyone (I think I've done my offending for today), is that because there is no Frontierland is because of when the railroads were being built in the earlier days of our country, all of the chinese workers working on the railroads, I guess it brings up bad memories. I could be wrong, but you get my point.

[seenoevil]

I just want to give you a swift kick in the ....

Anyways!
My theory, and I hope I don't offend anyone (I think I've done my offending for today), is that because there is no Frontierland is because of when the railroads were being built in the earlier days of our country, all of the chinese workers working on the railroads, I guess it brings up bad memories. I could be wrong, but you get my point.

But there's a RAILROAD?