How is the park going to compete against Ocean Park

[Malin]

I've just been looking through the Ocean Park website at the new devolpment plan that the park is currently under going.The plans all look impressive and I've got to ask how is Hong Kong Disneyland going to compete with this park once all the expansion is finished.

[TDLFAN]

Re: How is the park going to compete against Ocean Park

What kind of a question is that? Maybe company wallflies like the guy from Tales may be able to answer, but us? I for one, do not care to speculate.

[Loomis]

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I predict a series of waffle based promotions, each with a different seasonal topping.

[TDLFAN]

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Good one Loomis.

[Malin]

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What kind of a question is that? Maybe company wallflies like the guy from Tales may be able to answer, but us? I for one, do not care to speculate.

If you go back to the sections main page you'll see I've marked the thread under (CHAT) as I'm not looking for answers here just want to discuss Ocean Parks big expansion plans and how they may hurt Hong Kong Disneyland in the very near future.The plans call for major expansion of the actual theme park,three new hotels,as well as a proposed new MTR Station to make it far easier for tourist and locals to get to the park.Pop over to the Ocean Park website to view all the fantastic concept art thats currently on display.And than tell me how Disney is going to compete against this park in the near future,the answer is its going to have to raise some serious capital from somewhere to not only compete with the offerings found at Ocean Park but to also change locals opinions of the place.

And before you ask yes Disney do consider Ocean Park serious competetion and thats a big factor in the company annoucing a huge Halloween event this year to match the usually big events Ocean Park do every year.

[Malin]

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I predict a series of waffle based promotions, each with a different seasonal topping.

I've got a good slogan for it...A Year of a Million Waffles

[Kuhio]

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After a scene in The Graduate:

"I want to say one word to you. Just one word."

"Yes, sir."

"Are you listening?"

"Yes, I am."

"Pandas."

[Witches of Morva]

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ORDDU: Perhaps Hong Kong Disneyland might also have Fairytale wedding ceremonies performed on property--like the other Disney Resorts are already doing. Loomis might even become one ofthe first grooms to tie his knot on the premises--due to all his romantic Disney enthusiasm. Of course, first, he has to make sure he's marrying the right witch! Thus far he seems to be failing in that department because--instead of proposing to me--he seems to have proposed to someone else! Of course it's not too late to correct such a mistake. (pause) I'm waiting....

[TDLFAN]

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ORDDU: Perhaps Hong Kong Disneyland might also have Fairytale wedding ceremonies performed on property--like the other Disney Resorts are already doing.

Witches, they already offer that service at HKDL, so even YOU can have your fairy tale wedding at HKDL... The HKDL Hotel has a wedding gazeebo in the garden area...
Check this:

http://park.hongkongdisneyland.com/hkdl/en_US/eventPlanning/weddings/overview?name=WeddingsOverviewPage

[Loomis]

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It's all very nice folks, but I'm going for the cheap glamour of Las Vegas

Just love that town...

[PennysBayChronicle]

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I am going to macau as VIP for the opening ceremony of Venetian Macau on 28th August.

[TDR_Fan]

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I like the Venetian in Las Vegas better. Might be visiting in December.

[mclubber]

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The Venetian Macau is suppose to be the largest casino in Asia. Still its worth checking out. Cirque du Soleil is suppose to be doing daily shows there.

[Asa]

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Venetian is also the 2nd largest building in the world, it is bigger than its Las Vegas cousin. Only the Boeing hangar is bigger than it. It is a huge complex with all kinds of facilities imaginable inside.

Somehow I wish HK has built HKDL, SkyCity and Asia World Expo all together at one site. This is what Venetian Macao has done basically.

[Kuhio]

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An article in the New York Times describes the Venetian Macao as being more than three times larger than the largest Vegas casino. That's mind-bogglingly big... I'm not sure what the actual largest casino in Vegas is, but some of them -- like Caesar's Palace and the MGM Grand -- are already ridiculously big.

In fact, you could probably fit several HKDLs inside the Venetian Macao...

[PennysBayChronicle]

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Macau is much smaller than Hong Kong and now they have the biggest casino in the world.

That Venetian Macau is really huge!!! much bigger than their original Las Vegas Version.

and don't forget, Venetian Macau is only the beginning of the Development for Cotai Strip where there would be 14 or more hotels/casinos.

shame on HK Government and TWDC. They could have built much bigger Theme Park in the world at Pennys Bay, Hong Kong.

by the way, Diana Ross was the special guest performing at the Grand Opening of Venetian Macau.

[wishyouwell]

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I think Venetian Macau will fail because it is too big. Largest casino in Asia?? HA! How are they going to recover the cost of all that? With their repetition from their Las Vegas property they should start small with a small scale clone of their signature gondola ride, and with attractions like Venetian streetscape, frescoes, fountains and gold statues, that should be enough attract millions of people from China. And if they really want attract chinese customers, they should localize it, put more chinese style elements. If it proof popular then they can develope a phase 2 later on..... if it proofed popular.

[PennysBayChronicle]

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I think Venetian Macau will fail because it is too big. Largest casino in Asia?? HA! How are they going to recover the cost of all that? With their repetition from their Las Vegas property they should start small with a small scale clone of their signature gondola ride, and with attractions like Venetian streetscape, frescoes, fountains and gold statues, that should be enough attract millions of people from China. And if they really want attract chinese customers, they should localize it, put more chinese style elements. If it proof popular then they can develope a phase 2 later on..... if it proofed popular.

Their Tactic is to Swamp the competition.

Build their hotels/casinos/resorts as big as possible. Build them as many as possible. Build them as grand as possible. Build them as luxury as possible....etc.

I am sure Chinese want to see something exotic, something similar to Las Vegas has been doing. (Paris, Venetian, etc....)

Macao used to be a portuguese colony, Mainland Chinese tourists would expect something different from what they used to see back in Mainland China.

I myself wouldn't want to see small-scale version of anything. LOL

at least they (Venetian Macau) got one more client, that's me!!

HKDL is a good example of small-scale version of MK.

time will tell who is going to fail first.

The Cheap? The Ulgy? The Pretty? The Expensive? The Most Grand? The Smallest? The Biggest?

[Asa]

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Macau is allowing the casinos to have a lot of competition. The Venetian is Sheldon Adelson's idea of defeating Steve Wynn and Stanley Ho to win more business. It is basically a huge theme park with hotel, shopping, casino, exhibition centre, sports arena and a theatre all built in.

Anyway I digress, I still think HKDL has a lot of potential, I just hope the opening of the Venetian will help Disney executives realize what the Chinese public really want from the Americans. Big, lavish, no expenses spared mega resorts.

HKDL has so much potential to be one of the best resorts in Asia, it just needs proper expansion and planning. It can get there but Disney has to invest intelligently.

Oh, I realized one thing recently: you cannot take a train from Asia World Expo to HKDL without going to Tsing Yi MTR station to change train first. Isn't that kind of stupid? If there were people attending exhibitions and leave their families at HKDL, then they will have to go a long way round to reach their families, after they have finished at Asia World Expo (unless they take a bus). Couldn't the Airport train just make a stop at Sunny Bay?

[PennysBayChronicle]

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Bring in more competition !

Just like what Macau is doing.

I would suggest HK Government to allow at least one more operator to setup another Theme Park in Hong Kong. One major problem with HKDL is under-investment. another problem is word of mouth. Situation will get worse at HKDL when people keep talking with each others back in Mainland China that HKDL is too small, nothing to see, not enough to spend a day etc....
I expect more tourists flocking to Macau for those increasing number of Integrated Resorts along Cotai Strip.

Healthy Competition is a good thing. If you don't improve or invest enough, others will snatch the opportunity. Invite Universal Studio to come to Hong Kong, give them some incentives to directly compete with Hong Kong Disneyland! Universal Hong Kong, Hong Kong Disneyland and Hong Kong Ocean Park would be an ideal combination.

With Macao transforming itself into Asia's Las Vegas, Hong Kong should strengthen its tourism infrastructure to complement Macao (or vice versa) and make Hong Kong-Macao(or Macau) a Must See Destination in Asia.

Time is ripe for Hong Kong to reconsider setting up Casinos. Since so many Hongkongers are going to macao to gamble, why not retain some of them at Hong Kong? Perhaps a couple of resorts with casino would be enough for Hong Kong.