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    Source : Apple Daily

    Translation

    The Walt Disney Company and Hong Kong Government are in talks for further expansion. TWDC would like HK Government to inject further capital for expansion but HK Government is only willing to sell part of its shares to Disney and provide land in exchange for Disney to put in more $ into expanding HKDL.

    Hong Kong Government would still maintain a majority stake at HKDL after the proposed arrangement provided that Disney agrees.

    Both TWDC and HK Government agree that they need to speed up expansion and increase the number of attractions at HKDL.

    No comment from Commerce, Economic Development Bureau of Hong Kong.

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    My Guess was right, they are now negotiating for expansion!!
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    Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

    Disney is talking about adding 10 or so more attractions to HKDL. But even then HKDL (22 when it opens) will still be smaller than TDL (45), DLP (44), Magic Kingdom (45) and of course the original DL (65) in terms of the number of attractions.

    I guess even without giving out any hard cash to WDC, it will still be hard to convince the Legco that HKDL is worth investing in. WDC will need to show a real development plan to the Legco and I don't see them coming up with one.
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      Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

      ORGOCH: Well, what I wanna' know is when they's gonna stop flappin' their dang gums 'bout addin' new attractions over there an' just go ahead 'n DO it?! This is the 3rd time us Cauldron gals has read 'bout them managment types thinkin' 'bout addin' attractions but then they don't end up doin' nothin'!!!

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      • #4
        Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

        These other reports seem to indicate that the HK SAR is less than willing to foot the bill:

        Hong Kong discussing future of stake in Disney park

        http://www.bizjournals.com/losangele...ml?jst=b_ln_hl

        The Hong Kong government is looking into alternative financing options for its stake in Hong Kong Disneyland, according to a Hong Kong newspaper.

        The Apple Daily reports that the government, disappointed by attendance figures, will not provide cash to the park, and is in negotiations with the Walt Disney Co. (NYSE: DIS) to discuss other options, which might include the giving of more land or selling down its stake in the park to free up funds for the park.

        The Hong Kong government holds a 57 percent stake in the park, which is the only park in Disney's portfolio that includes a government entity as an investor.

        The park, which opened in September 2005, drew 5 million visitors in its first year, but fell short of the original projection of 5.6 million visitors. Shortly after the park's opening, the Hong Kong government hinted at a sale of its stake at "an appropriate time."
        Report: Hong Kong government not keen to fund Disneyland expansion

        http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...nd-Funding.php

        Hong Kong Disneyland is unlikely to receive more money from the local government to fund new attractions because of disappointing attendance at the theme park since it opened two years ago, a local newspaper reported Wednesday.

        A spokeswoman for the park, a joint venture between The Walt Disney Co. and the Hong Kong government, said it is still discussing financing options with the government.

        Hong Kong's Apple Daily newspaper reported Wednesday the local government, instead of providing fresh cash, is inclined to give the park more land, or sell down its stake in Hong Kong Disneyland for cash to reinvest in the park. All land in Hong Kong is technically owned by the government and leased to commercial developers on long-term contracts.

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        • #5
          Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

          Maybe all the attractions that were left behind in the original plan will be built under this major expansion. If it is that, HKDL will surely attract a lot of guests.
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          • #6
            Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

            I'm still skeptical until I see an official confirmation by the Walt Disney Company. But I really do hope it's true. Hong Kong Disneyland desperately needs to catch up with the other Magic Kingdoms and increase its attraction count.
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            • #7
              Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

              It's becoming more and more apparent that Disney signed a very bad deal that may have resulted in large sums being spent by the gvt for infrastructure initially but leaves them with close to zero flexibility when it comes to developing the park. If the best deal Disney can get out of this is essentially paying for future updates entirely by itself for a larger (though still minority) stake in the park then it doesn't sound like they're doing too well.

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              • #8
                Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                ORGOCH: Yeah an' this whole subject seems like it's just another gum flap session with no action in sight. 'Til they's rolled up their sleeves an' started ta build a new ride over there, it ain't worth a witch's time ta be mis-led like this!

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                • #9
                  Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                  Originally posted by Witches of Morva View Post
                  ORGOCH: Yeah an' this whole subject seems like it's just another gum flap session with no action in sight. 'Til they's rolled up their sleeves an' started ta build a new ride over there, it ain't worth a witch's time ta be mis-led like this!
                  Yup, all these articles seem to be saying one thing: all parties have agreed to do something, although what that something is hasn't been decided yet.

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                  • #10
                    Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                    I heard a lot of time in meetings, an American will say a financial figure and the whole room of Asian business people is totally silent. So the American will throw out another figure. When the Asian people weren't shocked, they were showing respect by taking a minute to consider the amount. They weren't uncomfortable by the silence. But the American thought the figure was too high and threw out a lower one.

                    Maybe it's one of those cultural things, witches. Maybe they're not "flappin' their gums" but doing things in a decidely Chinese sort of way. Sometimes they spend a long time negotiating but its not neccessarily a sign that no progress is being made.

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                    • #11
                      Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                      ORGOCH: Yeah, well, then maybe it's time all them goomers over there took some pointers from a cauldron gal who knows how ta make up her mind!! I'll learn 'em a thing er two.. Just one afternoon in one a my Hex Edjumacation classes oughtta do the trick!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                        I love reading the names of well-known Disney attractions interspersed among Chinese characters...

                        "... Fantasmic! ... Pirates of the Caribbean ... Haunted Mansion ... Raging Spirits ... Peter Pan's Flight ... Toontown ... Frontierland."

                        I hate to sound greedy, but I'll say it: I honestly don't think it'll be enough just to add more attractions, if they're all carbon copies of ones that have gone into other parks.

                        Don't HKDL and its local guests deserve something more? Yes, HKDL desperately needs to add attractions like the HM and PotC, but make them better. Give HKDL attractions it can be proud of -- and that can draw guests from elsewhere in the world, who will go to see HKDL's attractions despite having the same things in their home parks. The park does need some traditional dark rides and coasters, but also needs to employ newer technology and innovative theming whenever possible.

                        HKDL needs not just quantity -- but quality as well. It should be a unique and exciting destination in its own right, and not just an "Attack of the Clones" repository of rides carbon-copied from existing parks. For goodness' sake -- Imagineer something, please!

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                        • #13
                          Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                          Originally posted by Witches of Morva View Post
                          ORGOCH: Yeah, well, then maybe it's time all them goomers over there took some pointers from a cauldron gal who knows how ta make up her mind!! I'll learn 'em a thing er two.. Just one afternoon in one a my Hex Edjumacation classes oughtta do the trick!!
                          ethnocentric witches, grumble grumble.

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                          • #14
                            Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                            Originally posted by Kuhio View Post
                            ....I honestly don't think it'll be enough just to add more attractions, if they're all carbon copies of ones that have gone into other parks.

                            Don't HKDL and its local guests deserve something more? Yes, HKDL desperately needs to add attractions like the HM and PotC, but make them better. Give HKDL attractions it can be proud of -- and that can draw guests from elsewhere in the world, who will go to see HKDL's attractions despite having the same things in their home parks.....
                            Sorry but I don't think that's really the goal of the Walt Disney Co. with this venture.

                            They're not trying to build something in Hong Kong to appeal to residents of Los Angeles or Chicago. They're trying to build something in Hong Kong to appeal to the Chinese.

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                            • #15
                              Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                              ORDDU: Yes, and they're failing miserably at the moment. Part of the blame lies with the Hong Kong Government, itself. But it is what it is and until more is offered, fewer guests will show up at the front gates.

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                              • #16
                                Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                                Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
                                Sorry but I don't think that's really the goal of the Walt Disney Co. with this venture.

                                They're not trying to build something in Hong Kong to appeal to residents of Los Angeles or Chicago. They're trying to build something in Hong Kong to appeal to the Chinese.
                                I don't mean that focusing on foreign tourists or what they might want to see should be one of the primary goals of HKDL. However, appealing to foreign tourists should be a natural by-product of the inherent quality of the park and its attractions.

                                In other words, the park should aspire to have attractions that are truly "world class" in every sense of the word -- i.e., attractions that are compelling first and foremost to locals, but are by nature so good that anyone, local or otherwise, would be wowed by and drawn to them. TDR is a good example -- I would assume that, in charting TDR's development, its management cares primarily (if not exclusively) about what Japanese guests would be interested in and want to see. But the result of that planning and development is two parks that compare more than favorably with any Disney park anywhere else in the world.

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                                • #17
                                  Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                                  Originally posted by Witches of Morva View Post
                                  ORDDU: Yes, and they're failing miserably at the moment. Part of the blame lies with the Hong Kong Government, itself. But it is what it is and until more is offered, fewer guests will show up at the front gates.
                                  Maybe you and the Chinese government types should talk it over at dinner over a bucket of frogs legs seasoned with garlic.

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                                    Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
                                    Maybe you and the Chinese government types should talk it over at dinner over a bucket of frogs legs seasoned with garlic.
                                    oooh, yum!!!!

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                                      ORGOCH: Now yer talkin'! Frog legs is the best ticket in town, if'n ya asks me. I could git all them goomers so well fed on frog legs, they'd end up as a bunch a toads by the end a the feed an' then I'd force 'em ta add more attractions ta Ping Pong Dizzyland befer agreein' ta turn 'em back inta goomers agin. Whatcha wanna' bet they'd put in Mr. Toad's Wild Ride first?!?!

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: HK Government and TWDC in talks for expansion, Apple Daily

                                        IS there any outcome from this discussion? I hope the government is ready to pump in more funds.
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