Shanghai Disneyland in 2012

[PennysBayChronicle]

It was reported by some local hong kong newspaper citing reference to news sources from Mainland China that the Shanghai Disneyland is being put back on the Agenda and Central Government is seriously considering the Project.
The Tentative opening date has been pushed back to 2012, it would take Five years to build. The size is about 4.7 times that of current size of Hong Kong Disneyland.

and Hong Kong Ocean Park has been invited by City of Shanghai and Dubai to setup Ocean park in both cities.

[lazyboy97O]

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The Tentative opening date has been pushed back to 2012, it would take Five years to build. The size is about 4.7 times that of current size of Hong Kong Disneyland..

2012 - 5 = 2007. They better get started soon.

[PennysBayChronicle]

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2012 - 5 = 2007. They better get started soon.

2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.

[TDR_Fan]

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In my opinion, building another Disney park in a new location is a bad idea. Not only would a Disneyland in Shanghai jeopardize the success of Hong Kong Disneyland (Tokyo Disney Resort not so much as about 96% of visitors are Japanese), but it would draw resources and finance away from the parks that are in need of expansion and help.

[Coheteboy]

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In my opinion, building another Disney park in a new location is a bad idea. Not only would a Disneyland in Shanghai jeopardize the success of Hong Kong Disneyland (Tokyo Disney Resort not so much as about 96% of visitors are Japanese), but it would draw resources and finance away from the parks that are in need of expansion and help.

I agree. I went to Shanghai last year and though there's plenty of room in the outskirts, I don't know why they couldn't just stick to one "china" park.

There's also a lot of room in the outskirts of Beijing... including an attempted Disney knock-off that was never completed.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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There are so many people in China, that Shanghai Disneyland will probably only have a small effect on Hong Kong Disneyland.

I heard this week that in China there are more basketball participants than all the men, women and children in the United States.

[Coheteboy]

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There are so many people in China, that Shanghai Disneyland will probably only have a small effect on Hong Kong Disneyland.

I heard this week that in China there are more basketball participants than all the men, women and children in the United States.

You know what that could be true. And I also seem to recall that despite how fast Shanghai is growing as a city, the majority of the population in China do not have the means to travel... even to Hong Kong.

Shanghai Disneyland might even be more successful than Hong Kong Disneyland for that reason alone.

[lazyboy97O]

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Shanghai Disneyland might even be more successful than Hong Kong Disneyland for that reason alone.

Or maybe even all-paid vacations from the government...

[Asa]

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You know what that could be true. And I also seem to recall that despite how fast Shanghai is growing as a city, the majority of the population in China do not have the means to travel... even to Hong Kong.

Shanghai Disneyland might even be more successful than Hong Kong Disneyland for that reason alone.

That's if they can all afford the entry fee. If they can't afford to travel, then what makes you think they can afford the entry fee and all the other Disney charges?

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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I'd say there are more people with access to a train to Shanghai Disneyland than people with access to a train or airplane and a visa to visit the SAR of Hong Kong and HKDL.

[Asa]

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I'd say there are more people with access to a train to Shanghai Disneyland than people with access to a train or airplane and a visa to visit the SAR of Hong Kong and HKDL.

If you have the money then the above is not a big issue. There are just as many people in Guangdong then there are in and around Shanghai.

[tasman]

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They definitely shouldn't build anything else in that region until HKDL has realized its potential.

That being said Shanghai would have been a better place to build a park in China to start with. Much larger local population base, plus all that money wouldn't have to go towards creating new land for the sea (though I love HKDL's setting, I think it's a waste of money).

[PanTheMan]

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I think they should build Mini-Disneylands on every corner like Star bucks.

Quality over Quanity... Keep the money to invest and upkrrp what they have currently.

[josh_kslow]

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IT would be a good idea to expand deeper into China's market as it is very big. However they need and should finish whatever struggling its Hong Kong park is facing. Disney should not go venturing into another park in China before finishing its Hong Kong park's expansion and making it a successful one.

[WDW1974]

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Three words: Not Gonna Happen.

(and that's a good thing ... now a DRE mini-park could, but that's a different animal)

[PennysBayChronicle]

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I'd say there are more people with access to a train to Shanghai Disneyland than people with access to a train or airplane and a visa to visit the SAR of Hong Kong and HKDL.

The population in Hong Kong SAR with Shenzhen is comparable to the population of Shanghai (approx 20 million). Shenzhen is so close to Hong Kong SAR that both cities could be called Twin Cities.

Guangdong province (over 110 million) might be the most populated Province in Mainland China. GuangDong Province is the Neighbour of Hong Kong SAR.

The argument that more people with access to Shanghai Disneyland than Hong Kong Disneyland is definitely NOT TRUE.

Hong Kong and Shanghai are 2 different Markets. Hong Kong serves Southern China or Greater PRD Region (Greater Pearl River Delta Region), Shanghai serves North Eastern China or YRD (Yangtze River Delta Region). PRD and YRD are 2 distinctly different markets in China.

Weatherwise, Hong Kong is more suitable as a base for theme parks with all year round operations as Hong Kong is subtropical climate. Shanghai is too cold to stay outdoors in Winter.

For Air Travel, Hong Kong is the Mega Hub in Asia.

The following is the 2006 chart for top 10 Airport by International passengers (according to Airport Council International):
1. London (Heathrow)
2. Paris
3. Amsterdam
4. Frankfurt
5. Hong Kong
6. Tokyo
7. Singapore
8. London (Gatwick)
9. Bangkok
10.Dubai

A Regional Express Train (China's own version of Bullet Train) is under planning in Hong Kong. Hong Kong Government has already announced that a dedicated line would be adopted for the Regional Express Train service. It will link up Hong Kong with GuangZhou and the terminal will be built at West Kowloon.

[Coheteboy]

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That's if they can all afford the entry fee. If they can't afford to travel, then what makes you think they can afford the entry fee and all the other Disney charges?

You speak as if air travel doesn't cost that much?

[PennysBayChronicle]

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You speak as if air travel doesn't cost that much?

affordability is one issue.

willing to pay is another issue.

Even though there are many people who can afford air travel, theme parks etc. but are they willing to pay for the ticket to Disneyland?

Look at the attendance figures for all those theme parks in Mainland China, None of them have attendance higher than Hong Kong Ocean Park. Don't forget China has over 1.3 billion population and Hong Kong only got 7 million.

Hong Kong particularly with Macau, still have an edge over Shanghai.

[Sir_Cliff]

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This does seem one of those ideas that may sound good on paper but ignores many hard realities. Sure, a park in Shanghai may have access to a potential market of hundreds of millions of people only a short train or bus journey away but, as Asa points out, how many of them can afford to visit a Disney park and spend up on Disney merchandise? Although it is growing quickly, mainland China still has quite a low GDP per capita, lower than other highly-populated countries like Brazil and Russia according to the IMF, and 46.7% of the population live on less than $2 US a day. So maybe the market really has a long way to go before it can support a Disney park.

HongKongDisneyland also makes the point that even if there are tens of millions of people who could afford to visit a park and spend generously (as would seem to be the case for HKDL), that doesn't necessarily mean they will. Part of the great success of Disney parks in America is that visiting DL or WDW is a quintissentially American experience while part of TDL's success is due to a Japanese fascination for Americana. Both DLP and HKDL, however, seem to have come up against some local rejection of a big American theme park moving in. Maybe the drive to visit these kinds of places just isn't as strong outside of certain markets.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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"Every penny counts!" is kind of a Chinese slogan, isn't it? Even those who can afford to go may think hard about whether they think it will be worth their money once they get there. Maybe Ocean Park does better because they don't charge as much? Do they sell individual ride tickets, or all-attractions access pass like Disney?

Also, sorry HongKongDisneyland I guess I was making assumptions.