News: Size of Shanghai Disney Resort released, RTHK News

[PennysBayChronicle]

According to RTHK News

The National Development and Reform Commission of China has released information regarding the recently approved Disney Shanghai Project.
The approved size of the Disney Shanghai resort would be 116 hectare, including theme park, support area, public utility area and parking lot.

Source : RTHK News

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2009-11-23

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116 hectare = 286 acres

HK Disneyland Resort covers 320 acres (Phase 1)

[Giraffe Lounge]

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That's disappointing

[BC_DisneyGeek]

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Is the HK number bigger because it includes hotels?

Sounds like Disney isn't going for bigger and better, as usual...

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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As far as I can tell, everything made in China is cheap - cheaply made, cheap ingredients, etc.

[MarkTwain]

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That's disappointing

Agreed. I didn't know a Disneyland resort could be any smaller than HKDL...

[k_peek_2000]

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Agreed. I didn't know a Disneyland resort could be any smaller than HKDL...

Except THE Disneyland Resort XD

[dead_Mau5]

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They just don't care anymore..... good bye promising concept art ,hello HKDL:Mission 2 :crybye:

[HKDLFAN]

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Yay! HKDLR won't be the smallest Disney resort anymore!

But even though the park is built with small size, if done correctly, they could put lots of rides in it since that is what we want most right? loads of high quality rides? well thats where HKDL fell... and also, SHDL has more land to expand unlike HKDL, which is stuck in a very bad position for further expansion.

[Dustysage]

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They just don't care anymore..... good bye promising concept art ,hello HKDL:Mission 2 :crybye:

That's still a lot of acreage. At least enough for a huge Disneyland park and probably enough for 2 parks.

I'm curious if there is expansion land put aside for the project as well.

Until they release the proposed details and artwork for the park, we won't really know what direction it is taking.

I'd like to know the finalized budget. How much is going toward the park and how much toward hotels. I'd like to see the list of attractions, and general layout.

I do have a feeling that this will be a bigger and better park that HKDL, but there really isn't any way for us to know just yet. It is still pretty early and we have precious little information.

There is still hope!

Dusty

[lighttragic]

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Yay! HKDLR won't be the smallest Disney resort anymore!

But even though the park is built with small size, if done correctly, they could put lots of rides in it since that is what we want most right? loads of high quality rides? well thats where HKDL fell... and also, SHDL has more land to expand unlike HKDL, which is stuck in a very bad position for further expansion.

I didnt realize hkdl was stuck in a bad position in terms of future expansion , at the d23 expo they had a master map up of hkdl , and it looked like they quite a few plots of land left for hkdl future expansion beyond the current drive. and they also have a whole new area they could build a second park if needed.

[tasman]

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Why all this doom and gloom?

286 acres is more than enough for one Magic Kingdom park and supporting hotel(s) and other facilities.

There will be well in excess of 3 billion USD going into those 286 acres.

Also...to those saying everything coming from China is cheap and poor-quality...well that's exactly what people were saying about Japan in the 1950s and 1960s. Then...

[Baloo]

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i do not see that as a small resort area either. Its no WDW but if the land is used properly they could easily build two large gates and a downtown Disney and still have land to spare for backstage infrustructure and c ouple hotels.

My guess is that that is the size of the original phase one but they have plenty of land aorund it to continue to grow if necessary.

[mclubber]

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We'll have to see how much real attractions is in the park. That is the meat of the details. Since there is less acreage than HKDL means Disney can't space out the attractions too far apart. Less space = less park capacity. This is what we know so far.

[HKDLFAN]

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I didnt realize hkdl was stuck in a bad position in terms of future expansion , at the d23 expo they had a master map up of hkdl , and it looked like they quite a few plots of land left for hkdl future expansion beyond the current drive. and they also have a whole new area they could build a second park if needed.

I meant HKDL the park, not the resort. If you see in google maps or somewhere, you'll see that HKDL has a very limited amount of new, fresh expansion plots left beyond the the railroad track. most of the northern section is crowded with HKDL's management buildings. I'd say only 2 more mini lands could be made after the proposed lands are built.

[PennysBayChronicle]

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116 Hectare (or 286 acres) is the approved size for phase 1 of Disney Shanghai only.

According to the latest local TV news (HKTVB), the National Development and Reform Commission of China took into consideration that a huge size of Disney Shanghai Resort might cannibalize the attendance at HKDL Resort. In order to ease the worries from people at Hong Kong, Disney Shanghai Resort would start small(even smaller in size than phase 1 of HKDL Resort), and would be gradually expanded in several phases to a final size of 500 Hectares. This arrangement would give some time for HKDL to expand, a win-win situation for both resorts at Hong Kong and Shanghai.

If they build only one Park for phase 1 at Shanghai, it is still possible that it could be larger than HKDL (the park) and not the whole resort.

[tasman]

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You don't need much more than 100, certainly not more than 150 acres, to build a Magic Kingdom park. That plus an extra 100 - 150 is quite sufficient for a Disney resort at the beginning. We should be more concerned with quality than total acreage. WDW is by far the largest resort...but quite possibly is too large, creating great distances between hotels and parks and making commuting between them a bit of a hassle. Shanghai DL will probably get Phase 2 and 3 in due course...and the final resort size should be something akin to that of Disneyland Paris (which I think is just the right size). Also let's all remember that these lands are lived on by farming families and others who will get uprooted on account of the resort. They will have to be compensated and will have to find new homes. The government is likely trying to minimize how much population displacement occurs at one time, and that is probably a good thing.

[RandySavage]

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The first rule in reading these reports is to remember that with respect to the definitions and usage of words like "park", "resort", "attraction", "on-stage", "back stage", etc. there is an enormous disconnect between the general public/media - be it Chinese or American - and the Cognoscenti on these boards.

If you tell the general public the size stats of Animal Kingdom (500 acres) and Disneyland (85 acres) and nothing more, they will think that AK has 5x as many things to do.

The media consistently compares apples to oranges and this latest report is no different.

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To clear through some of the latest information here are some resort/park sizes in hectares:

Disneyland Paris Resort: 1,943 ha
DLP Park On-Stage: 51
WDSP On-Stage: 25

Tokyo Disney Resort: 200 ha
TDL Park On-Stage/Parking & Back-Stage: 50/30
TDS Park On-Stage/Parking & Back-Stage: 48/23

Hong Kong Disneyland Resort: 126 ha (not including 2nd park landfill)
HKDL Park On-Stage: 22
HKDL Park On-Stage after 3 new lands: 27

Shanghai Disney Resort: 400-800 ha unconfirmed
Shanghai Disneyland Phase One: 116 ha

Since there was no mention of hotels in that 116, I would assume that the number most comparable to this would be Tokyo Disneyland's 80 ha, which includes on-stage/backstage areas of TDL park as well as parking for that park. This would mean the Shanghai Disneyland park at opening would be significantly larger than TDL park - something quite possible if it includes a large body of water as rumored.

The Chinese are not about to get fooled twice into underbuilding in Shanghai.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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Does underbuilding serve like an extended soft opening? IE get some rides running, start charging admission, have a few slow years and test market guest reactions, then fill in what's needed with Phase II budgets?

I don't know that this isn't the new Disney "way".

[Casey Jr]

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well, as long as it is not smaller, attraction amount, I think it will be fine. I just would rather have a larger park with not many attractions, but lots of detail. We'll see I guess... hopefully it will have some unique rides and lands, but not "Toy Story Land", Cars Autopia, Marvel Future land, etc

[tasman]

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Does underbuilding serve like an extended soft opening? IE get some rides running, start charging admission, have a few slow years and test market guest reactions, then fill in what's needed with Phase II budgets?

I don't know that this isn't the new Disney "way".

How do you know that SHDL will be anything less than a full scale park? Is nearly 300 acres somehow insufficient for that?