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  • #21
    Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

    Originally posted by aimster View Post
    The $10 a day for internet has got to go. Especially when the Holiday-Econo-Comfort-Quality-Lodge-Inn off property has a cheaper room rate and FREE internet... and sometimes they even have FREE continental or even hot breakfast.
    This has to do with a thinking that is across the hotel industry. While the "Holiday-Econo-Comfort-Quality-Lodge-Inn" off site hotels have free internet, some even free Wi-Fi, the higher end hotels typically still charge. I would guess that when the Four Seasons opens that, unless there is a dramatic shift in the industry's thinking, internet access will cost money.

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    • #22
      Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

      The upper end properties ( hotel-wise ) thinking on WiFi is: You're either on the company's expense card, and the $10.00 a day isn't a problem, or You don't give a damn, and spend the money.

      I use it as an excuse to UNPLUG for 5 days. I only fired up the laptop to offload a memory card, and view the pictures.

      And Disney should hold up construction on Bay Lake Towers until they get their act together at the Contemporary. Carpet Glue is what? A buck? And no-one gets around to gluing back the frayed edge of the carpet on the wall of the monorail escalator yet?

      Ghetto.

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      • #23
        Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

        Greetings All - I visited WDW the year it opened and the only places to stay on the grounds were the Contemporary Resort and the Polynesian Village - and even then, they were priced through the roof. I love the fact that for $82 a night (we usually go the first week in February), I can leave the outside world and become totally immersed in Disney "world." Where else can you walk outside your hotel room door and be greeted by a 4 story dalmation? I agree that more money could be put into developing newer attractions but I truly enjoy staying on the grounds. Having grown up staying at a Days Inn on the highway (in 1971, there wasn't much else around), I'm delighted that they built the value resorts and I think they're themed beautifully. If I had the money, I would do the high end hotels for the same reason. I would be inclined to skip the moderate resorts however. To me they seem to lack something. The rooms aren't much bigger than the value resorts and they're not as well themed as the other resorts, at either end of the spectrum.

        BTW- if you look at films or pictures of Walt showing off the plans for WDW, he makes reference to everything that is there today. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was part of the master plan laid out decades ago.

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        • #24
          Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

          Originally posted by mikelieman View Post
          And Disney should hold up construction on Bay Lake Towers until they get their act together at the Contemporary. Carpet Glue is what? A buck? And no-one gets around to gluing back the frayed edge of the carpet on the wall of the monorail escalator yet?

          Ghetto.
          WELL SAID! Furthermore.. did we need a DVC tower there? or at least one that was so high that it effectively killed the architectural dynamics of the A-framed original tower?

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          • #25
            Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

            Originally posted by TDLFAN View Post
            WELL SAID! Furthermore.. did we need a DVC tower there? or at least one that was so high that it effectively killed the architectural dynamics of the A-framed original tower?
            I completely, 100% agree.



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            • #26
              Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

              That's another example of profits over show quality.

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              • #27
                Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                Originally posted by disneyfann121 View Post
                What he said.

                I always laugh when I see tourism ads which focus on luxurious hotel rooms and amenities. Who spends their vacation locked in their hotel room?
                The problem I have with that is if I'm going to be somewhere for a week or more, I am going to take a day off at some point so those little luxuries come in handy when you have a family of four.

                Snacks, cereal, milk in the fridge, sometimes having some comforts of home helps.

                The internet is an expendable luxury I will admit but the main point I'm trying to make is there is no "value" for the money you pay to be on site.

                I would also like to say I LOVE staying on property for all the reasons people listed, value all the way up to deluxe but it's just getting too expensive for a 1-2 night stay and if you're driving a car (as most don't I realize) it just seems like a waste of money, to me, personally.

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                • #28
                  Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                  While I do think that there probably a to many rooms overall, I also know that certain resorts book completely full on a regular basis. Now, as far as what I think of the resorts....(here comes the rant....sory) I hear it said a lot that you can get a great room that is choked full of amenities just off property for much less. I felt I had to put my 2 cents in on this subjuct. While I can certainly understand the desire to save money (which could be then spent in the parks), I would like to put forward that the disney resorts can be worth the extra expense. A little example I can offer is that I can get into my one of my regional parks (let's say Kings Dominion outside of richmond) for about $38 a day. When compared to the cost of WDW thats a bargin, right? But, yet, I would MUCH rather drive my family half way accross the country and pay WAY more to visit WDW. The Disney parks are not simply "amusement parks," which is in reality what most regonal parks are. The Disney Parks are true "THEME parks." Through those gates (to quote a certain brass plaque at an admitedly much better Disneyland) I enter the worlds of yesterday, tommorow and fantasy. The disney parks present an imersive enviorment that is just simply not available elsewhere. The same is true with the Disney resorts. Yes the beds at the Hilton or Embasy Suites down the road are probably more comfortable, but my hotel has a myan pyiramid at the pool. OK, maybe the best western gives a kick'n free breakfast, but my hotel has a Gaint buzz Lightlear outside my door (guess which of those my kids prefer). This is not to say that I have anything against someone staying off premise (whatever floats you new it's a small world boat), I just feel that for as little as I am actually able to go to WDW, I willing to shell out some more money for the full experiance. (oh lord, I'm starting to sound like that annoying "when you think about it" guy in the trip planning DVD). Just my thoughts, have a wonderful disney day!
                  Last edited by mkcoastie; 04-24-2009, 07:24 PM. Reason: poor spelling and proof reading the first time

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                  • #29
                    Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                    Disney World does have many rooms but I wouldn't say too many. While I was there, The Grand Floridian, Polynesian, and Contemporary were almost or completely booked; and these are hotels in which the rooms START at $400+ per night. Not to fly too off topic, but at a time where our economy is in the crapper, people apparently don't mind spending HUGE on a vacation to Disney World, even at the all star resorts, thats still a bit of money...not to mention the hideous cost of food. Anyway, WDW did just host over 17 milion people last year; so no, the hotels are, at least, accomodating to about half of that number and that's why Disney World continues to build more hotel rooms because their property attracts THAT many people per year.

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                    • #30
                      Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                      Originally posted by Barbaraann View Post
                      This could accomodate a family of more than four, and would allow some familys to sleep in one room, and not have to book two.
                      You answered your own concern right there.

                      Simple answer: yes. Hence why after 9-11 the Pop was never finished. Hence why both the French Quarter and the Caribbean could both be 100% closed for long "rehabs" in the last decade. Hence why AKL could "lose" rooms to DVC. Hence why the number of rooms at the Music was reduced to create "family suites".

                      When times are good Hotels make money, and good times never seem to have an end in sight, so MORE MORE MORE is the way to go. Until things crash and you realize how many empty rooms you have.

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                      • #31
                        Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                        I probably have a slightly different POV from most of the folks on the board since I work for a travel agency that is dedicated to Disney Travel, I have found especially during holidays and busy times of the year that there are defiantly not enough rooms sometimes, I've seen it on almost ever class of hotel on property value, moderates, and Deluxe hotels do book solid for a variety of reasons.

                        In the slower seasons Disney shuts down parts of hotels for refurbishment, during really slow times like right after 9/11 they shut down entire resorts and unfortunately stopped work on the second half of the Pop century. More recently, they have been doing a lot of work on the various resorts this past winter and spring much of it sorely needed. When I asked my contacts at Disney about what the plan would be if attendance hit those levels (or worse) again, back in January the response was they would use the down time to refurbish those resorts that needed it the most.

                        Internet, this topic comes up all the time, at WDW you're going to pay for it unless you go off site, but at least you can pay for it now, a few years back it wasn't there at all! They had dial up in most rooms and you paid way too much for the privilige. Most 3G wireless cards seem to work well on property which is the route I've gone for the past 3-4 years, with all the travel I do it saves me a lot of money on those 10-12$ night internet fees. ..

                        I do think that Barbara has an excellent point, it's hard for larger families to get affordable rooms on property. If you have more than 4 people in your family you are pushed into higher priced lodging, the family suites at the Music are really great and I have had client's rave over them but they cost the same as 2 rooms at the same resort, so no real cost savings but you do get the kitchenette and two bathrooms! There's only one moderate that will sleep 5 and that's the Alligator Bayou buildings in Port Orleans, and the trundle bed is very small, if the 5th person is not under 5ft don't even try it! The Cabins at FT Wilderness are nice but not for everyone, and they are priced between the Moderate and Deluxe Price Points. The Deluxe resorts do sleep more thanks to the pull out twin sleeper sofa in most of the rooms (and yes they are actually comfortable as well surprisingly enough) but now your getting up there, and of the two cheapest deluxe resorts; Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom Lodge, only the Ak lodge has them since the WL rooms are decidely smaller. The DVC offerings including the new Treehouses can be cheaper but you either have to have a very large family, or travel with other families and split the cost, not an option everyone can take advantage of. Part of the reason for the disparity is Florida has very strict rules on hotel room occupancy based on the square footage of the room, they had to get special disponsation to add the trundel beds to POR. This leaves Disney with 2 options - new construction or create suites like they did at the All Stars Music resort by knocking down a wall between two rooms.

                        I guess in Short too many rooms? No not at all, Too few rooms for larger families? Yes at the value resort price levels, there are plenty at the DVC/Deluxe resorts price point with the new construction but that will change in the future as more people buy into the DVC.
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                        • #32
                          Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                          Originally posted by TDLFAN View Post
                          I agree with your points made here as well Aimster.. but bottom line is: Can you live without Extra Magic Hours?
                          Morning ones, sure (I am NOT a morning person). Evening ones... ya kind of got me there. But I only stay on property if I can find a good deal on a room. I've managed to score some good ones through 3rd party booking sites. I once stayed at Port Orleans for almost $100 a night CHEAPER than what WDW was advertising on their own site.

                          But I've stayed at some of the hotels on Hotel Plaza Blvd for less than even value resort rates and have gotten MUCH nicer rooms.

                          DVC has GOT to go though.

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                          • #33
                            Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                            Originally posted by Jerren View Post
                            I have found especially during holidays and busy times of the year that there are defiantly not enough rooms sometimes,
                            The same could be said for anywhere. That's the catch though...you cannot build for maximum occupancy, because every time you don't have it you bleed money. Hence why Disney drops all these deals and ends up doing long-term damage to their brand. Disney cannot build to sell out 3 times a year, they have to build to where they can create enough demand all year long for a good price.

                            Because if you discount your hotels all the time...first of all why not lower the price (don't tell me the moderate are worth $230 a night...especially when you have to "buy 4 get 3 free" them to fill them)? And secondly, if you discount them all the time, no one wants to pay full price anymore.

                            You can't fill your hotels only a few times a year when you have to staff them all year long.

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                            • #34
                              Re: Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?

                              Originally posted by lakersboy92 View Post
                              Do you think WDW has too many hotel rooms?
                              No, the number one vacation destination in the U.S. needs more.
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