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  • disneyfann121
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    Fair enough, Warrior.

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by disneyfann121 View Post
    Infected puss pimple? Come on, now. That is the most ludicrous comparison I've ever heard. Even TDLfan never resorted to such an extreme statement. Say bye bye to your credibility, Warrior... unless you care to backtrack from what you wrote?
    Guess I did overdramatize my dismay with WDW a might. My primary complaint is with it's management. Still look very forward to going there... especially Animal Kingdom. I have every hope that the resort will improve... not just for my sake... but for all of it's fans and regualar guests.

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  • disneyfann121
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    Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    I'd like to be able to argue with you about the condition of WDW and philosophy of it's management. Unfortunately, your opinion is oh so true. In these difficult economic times, WDW may pay a big price for it too... within the next few years.

    There's less and less that it has of interest than what the Disneland Resort has... other than Animal Kingdom. WDW is like an infected puss pimple compared to Tokyo DisneySee.. Even Hong Kong Disneyland will soon be more happening. It's a sad, sad story.
    Infected puss pimple? Come on, now. That is the most ludicrous comparison I've ever heard. Even TDLfan never resorted to such an extreme statement. Say bye bye to your credibility, Warrior... unless you care to backtrack from what you wrote?

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by Dustysage View Post
    Folks, this isn't a DCA discussion. Back on track please.
    Whoops! in the words of Maxwel Smart, "Sorry about that, chief."

    As said earlier, I do think it possible that a composite baterial for the train cars could be made light enough to compensate for the added weight of an onboard audio system. It's quite possible as well that a new technology may come along in the future that can help generate additional energy... taking into account the laws of kinetic energy as it applies to coasters.

    You are correct flynn to the extent that the technogy doesn't exist today. But, to assert that it never, ever will is a bit of a stretch. How many times have people used conventionally understood scientific principles to support their declaration that different things are impossible only to eventually be proven wrong?

    I'm not saying that there are not things that will always be impossible. What I am saying is that "the water flows around the rocks... not thru them.

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  • Dustysage
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    Folks, this isn't a DCA discussion. Back on track please.

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  • flynnibus
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    "What has been accomplished (and what is currently underway) during the DCA makeover is completely on par with the benchmark Tokyo has set"

    To that opinion I will let you stand alone. And I'll leave it at that

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by flynnibus View Post
    Uhh.. sure. Have you looked at DCA's plans? Some things are promised to go all out.. others are just more of the same. So don't go and count your chickens before they've hatched.
    Are you saying that every ride and other experience at the Tokyo Disneyland Resort is an E-ticket and that it doesn't have any minor carnival-esque attractions? As I truely do consider you an expert, I would think that you know better. The mix of different attraction genras and technology levels (from complex to simple) is what makes a park endearing. I think few would desire a resort that is saturated with nothing but E-tickets.

    What has been accomplished (and what is currently underway) during the DCA makeover is completely on par with the benchmark Tokyo has set. Although, I never count my chickens before they hatch, I'm not counting The Disneyland Resort out... and neither should you.
    Last edited by Ride Warrior; 11-23-2009, 12:25 PM.

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  • flynnibus
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    Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    Again, don't forget to consider the DCA remake. Disney is building unique attractions right from the onset... by sparing no budgetary expense and unleashing the creative force of WDI full-on!
    Uhh.. sure. Have you looked at DCA's plans? Some things are promised to go all out.. others are just more of the same. So don't go and count your chickens before they've hatched.

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by kcnole View Post
    Oh I'm sure they do. However they don't require it. Disney is more than willing to build something amazing as long as someone else pays for it. Its what drives me crazy. They can afford to do amazing things with their own money, but they're stingy and refuse to do so. I often times wish a third party group as enamored with quality as OLC would come in and take over WDW. Of course in the US, we'd be far more likely to get someone who would cut costs even more than TDO does, so it could be worse.
    Again, don't forget to consider the DCA remake. Disney is building unique attractions right from the onset... by sparing no budgetary expense and unleashing the creative force of WDI full-on!

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Disney profits off of this desire to go above and beyond because the Oriental Land Company is bound to use the services of Imagineering. I think Disney does encourage the OLC's desires to offer top notch experiences.
    This is a fresh perspective that I find to be 101% accurate. Disney does motivate it's imagineers and OLC management to build as many expensive, expansive larger than life attractions as possible.

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by flynnibus View Post
    I wasn't referring to 'Walts Day' at all.. When I said

    "They push for more above and beyond even the original Disney designs. Instead of a clone, they go further, etc"

    I was meaning in the modern sense that when they take an existing attraction that some may consider 'up tp Disney standard' as it is.. OLC doesn't just clone that, they take it even further. So they don't even settle for modern Disney standards - they have their own. So to say their level of show is only because of licensing agreements is wrong in my belief.
    Prior to the current commitment to remake the image of DCA, I would have been predisposed to completely agree. However, there is a renaissance of attitude in Anaheim that will carry us into 2012... and beyond that if our economy doesn't sink us all.

    WDW management seems determined to prove you true.
    Last edited by Ride Warrior; 11-23-2009, 12:22 PM.

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  • kcnole
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    Oh I'm sure they do. However they don't require it. Disney is more than willing to build something amazing as long as someone else pays for it. Its what drives me crazy. They can afford to do amazing things with their own money, but they're stingy and refuse to do so. I often times wish a third party group as enamored with quality as OLC would come in and take over WDW. Of course in the US, we'd be far more likely to get someone who would cut costs even more than TDO does, so it could be worse.

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  • lazyboy97O
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    Originally posted by flynnibus View Post
    I wasn't referring to 'Walts Day' at all.. When I said

    "They push for more above and beyond even the original Disney designs. Instead of a clone, they go further, etc"

    I was meaning in the modern sense that when they take an existing attraction that some may consider 'up tp Disney standard' as it is.. OLC doesn't just clone that, they take it even further. So they don't even settle for modern Disney standards - they have their own. So to say their level of show is only because of licensing agreements is wrong in my belief.
    Disney profits off of this desire to go above and beyond because the Oriental Land Company is bound to use the services of Imagineering. I think Disney does encourage the OLC's desires to offer top notch experiences.

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  • flynnibus
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    Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    I do disagree with you in your notion that Japanese Disney park designs are more creative/fun according to today's standards/expectations than those of Walt's day. The contention that the accomplishments of the two different eras are equivalent, I would confir.
    I wasn't referring to 'Walts Day' at all.. When I said

    "They push for more above and beyond even the original Disney designs. Instead of a clone, they go further, etc"

    I was meaning in the modern sense that when they take an existing attraction that some may consider 'up tp Disney standard' as it is.. OLC doesn't just clone that, they take it even further. So they don't even settle for modern Disney standards - they have their own. So to say their level of show is only because of licensing agreements is wrong in my belief.

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by TDLFAN View Post
    Hunny... I have known that since they were building TDL back in the early 80s, when I used to be a CM myself... reason why in the past I have argued that OLC should take over WDW's operation and turn it around. My reference to "real" is because OLC still upholds the Traditions that Walt set forth for their parks, as opposed to what I see at WDW. Does not get any more real than that! I just with the management at WDW would be reminded of those traditions every so often!
    I'd like to be able to argue with you about the condition of WDW and philosophy of it's management. Unfortunately, your opinion is oh so true. In these difficult economic times, WDW may pay a big price for it too... within the next few years.

    There's less and less that it has of interest than what the Disneland Resort has... other than Animal Kingdom. WDW is like an infected puss pimple compared to Tokyo DisneySee.. Even Hong Kong Disneyland will soon be more happening. It's a sad, sad story.
    Last edited by Ride Warrior; 11-23-2009, 06:42 AM.

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  • TDLFAN
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    Originally posted by Figment Fan View Post
    You are aware that TDL is not owned by Disney, right? It is licensed by The Oriental Land Company. Disney lets them license the rights. That may account for some of the differences you notice, but it is not exactly a real Disney resort. It is, in actuality, a resort that is modeled on Disney (of course utilizing the license of Disney's concepts, name, characters, etc.).

    I guess it all depends on how you qualify what is and is not a "real Disney resort". I consider it to be a "real Disney resort" when it is owned by Disney.
    Hunny... I have known that since they were building TDL back in the early 80s, when I used to be a CM myself... reason why in the past I have argued that OLC should take over WDW's operation and turn it around. My reference to "real" is because OLC still upholds the Traditions that Walt set forth for their parks, as opposed to what I see at WDW. Does not get any more real than that! I just with the management at WDW would be reminded of those traditions every so often!

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by figment fan View Post
    lets hope they get it together and make the florida parks what they should be.
    Absolutely!

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  • lazyboy97O
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    Originally posted by Figment Fan View Post
    I wish that WDW would do the same. It really is a shame that they have so much potential, and yet they refuse to become the park that they could, and should be. In essence, they are unlikely to do anything so long as they believe they are not doing anything wrong.
    Originally posted by Figment Fan View Post
    I guess it all depends on how you qualify what is and is not a "real Disney resort". I consider it to be a "real Disney resort" when it is owned by Disney.
    This is the point to which I am really responding. The only resorts totally owned by The Walt Disney Company are the Disneyland Resort and the Walt Disney World Resort. Disney only owns ≈40% of Euro Disney SCA, 43% of Hong Kong International Theme Parks and will only own ≈40% of the Shanghai resort.

    You admit that Tokyo Disney Resort is more "Disney" than Walt Disney World, but you do not consider it to be "real Disney". In doing so you are ignoring quality present at all of Disney's foreign properties.

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  • Figment Fan
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    Lets hope they get it together and make the Florida parks what they should be.

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  • Ride Warrior
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    Originally posted by flynnibus View Post
    OLC has demonstrated time and time again their quality and expectations are not due to the licensing agreements - but from their own desires. They push for more above and beyond even the original Disney designs. Instead of a clone, they go further, etc.

    The quality of the park is not due to licensing terms.
    Ever since the 1950's the Japanese have been enamored with the high standard that Walt Disney held himself to in terms of theme park and attraction design. To this day, they remain naturally committed to to well funded and highly imagineered quality parks that push the bar. Don't believe many would argue that WDI's imagineers love them for it! To this end, I couldn't agree with you more, flynn.

    I do disagree with you in your notion that Japanese Disney park designs are more creative/fun according to today's standards/expectations than those of Walt's day. The contention that the accomplishments of the two different eras are equivalent, I would confir.

    A separate point is that there would be no Tokyo Disneyland or Disney Sea in name or physicality had it not been for one Walter Elias Disney.

    Originally posted by Figment Fan View Post
    I wish that WDW would do the same. It really is a shame that they have so much potential, and yet they refuse to become the park that they could, and should be. In essence, they are unlikely to do anything so long as they believe they are not doing anything wrong.
    The Disneyland Resort is enjoying a renaissance (in spite of economic hard times). The Company there is once again driven primarily by desire to achieve/entertain rather than contracts and the dollar alone. On the other hand, WDW has for far too long remained a victim of conventional wisdom, disconnected management, accountaneers and overt routine neglect.
    Last edited by Ride Warrior; 11-22-2009, 09:23 PM.

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