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  • #21
    Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

    Well TDA seems to be on the right road. Im not sure about TDO. I guess well have to wait until next year at D23 expo to hear whats happening.


    Thank you Solitary!

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    • #22
      Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

      Originally posted by mr wiggins View Post
      yes. The late mrs. Elda mae finstucker, 73, of east keokuk, iowa does. Or did.

      The keokuck sentinel reported that the day after eisner stepped down as disney's ceo, the distraught finstucker rammed her car into a tree. Rescue workers said she insisted eisner always reminded her of her cockapoo brucie, who had been hit by a bus the previous year, "and now they're both gone."

      an autopsy measured finstucker's blood alcohol level at 14 times the legal limit.
      lolwut.
      -Hale (wumbology)

      a.k.a. h2mc, omnimover.mousetalgia, omnimover, wumbology, hogbackmtn, hhmcsharry, Hale M., h2m, h2mc

      (I've never visited Disneyland Resort, Tokyo Disney Resort, Disneyland Resort Paris, nor Hong Kong Disneyland Resort, so don't be fooled when I pretend to know what I'm talking about. [But I'm pretty good with the information, if I do say so myself. And you can hit me all you want with Walt Disney World.])


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      • #23
        Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

        I personally miss ol' Eisner and am starting to regret his departure.
        Motor Mania!:yea:

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        • #24
          Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

          Originally posted by dmtnt55 View Post
          Like the user above me said, Magic Kingdom has the Fantasyland Expansion which really adds a TON to Fantasyland there, but I really don't know if something new like that will draw in the crowds to compare with Harry Potter. The thing about Universal is that they aren't Disney, they don't make classic animated films, and if they go out they can purchase the rights to make a Harry Potter theme park, even though the film series is Warner Brothers. Disney just doesn't have opportunities to make areas of a theme park based on such a popular franchise.
          Disney does have the opportunity to dedicate areas of its theme parks to such popular franchises. The disney princesses are an extremely popular franchise. It just so happens that they tend to cater to a demographic that is narrower (but no less influential) and perhaps a bit more derided than the potter audience. There is a reason why the Cinderella breakfast is one of the hardest meals to get at the park. I don't necessarily think TDO is missing the mark here. And for what the fantasyland expansion is, I trust it will be fully immersive. Disney is countering WWOHP with one of its signatures...characters and family entertainment (little mermaid ride).

          While I love a huge e-ticket like Indy, it is the charm of the smaller experiences and attractions that make me return to WDW.

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          • #25
            Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

            Originally posted by flotsam_mike View Post
            While I love a huge e-ticket like Indy, it is the charm of the smaller experiences and attractions that make me return to WDW.

            This.

            While I'm sure Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey is stellar, and a world-class ride, the reason people will return is because of the theming and atmosphere. Disney will hopefully achieve the same thing with Fantasy Forest.
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            • #26
              Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

              WDI certainly has the technical and creative ability to create greatness on the scale of WWOHP, but sometimes get cut off at the knees by budget cuts. Creating magic costs a ton of money, and if the corporate bosses are too stingy and short sighted to spend whatever it takes, then the results suffer. Simple as that. Universal spent whatever it took to create something special in WWOHP, and they are reaping the benefits. As always, build it, and they will come.

              As I said in another thread, if Disney's slate of upcoming attractions (Fantasyland/Mermaid, Star Tours II, Cars Land) end up disappointing, then Universal has thoroughly embarassed the Mouse -- and not because of creative bankruptcy at WDI. If that does happen, I and others will lay the blame at the feet of Disney management, for financially handicapping the Imagineers. And they will have only themselves to blame if that means the competition steals their thunder. It already happened in Disney animation; it certainly could happen in the theme park business.

              On a related note: how come the stateside parks NEVER got a clone from Tokyo??
              Last edited by disneyfann121; 06-21-2010, 02:27 AM.

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              • #27
                Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                Originally posted by jlmct52 View Post
                Does anyone else miss Michael Eisner as much as I do???????
                No.

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                • #28
                  Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                  A few rambling thoughts...

                  Technologically Universal has been trumping Disney for more than a decade...but their parks as a whole lack in immersive theming and atmosphere...and they do not seek to create the same level of illusion - with big unthemed coasters and unthemed buildings. This is unfortunate, because as the nicer parts of the Wizarding World demonstrate, they are quite capable to beating Disney at their own game if they choose to.

                  I look forward to the Fantasyland expansion as it will be a significant improvement to the stagnant theming of that land. However, I could care less for meet-n-greets, and even the Little Mermaid...as a good a ride as it may be...is still a clone using decades old technology and does not excite me in the same way Forbidden Journey does. Same feeling for Star Tours...Disney comes up with a simulator that is technologically inferior to the decade-old Spiderman, while Universal forges ahead to new frontiers.

                  So, both companies with their pros and cons.
                  Down with the Hat

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                  • #29
                    Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                    Disney Imagineeers possibly could beat out the WWOHP- Unfortunately, many of them have been let go thru the years & are actually working for the competition due to the short sightedness of the Disney management & accountants in the past.

                    Imagineers have the capability to create great things & have done so in the past- but when the budget goes up too high- many of their creative ideas are cut from the final project.

                    Disney could have actually owned Harry Potter at one time- but when JK Rowling went to Disney several years ago- they didn't think that a certain young Wizard would be that popular- and gave up rights that eventually went to Scholastic. They dropped the ball again when JK Rowling was interested in a Harry Potter theme park and lost them to Universal. But they did pay very high prices to broadcast the movies on ABC & ABC Family.

                    I don't think that Disney would have done better, or even come close, if they did actually win theme park rights for Harry Potter. I'm sure most of the stuff they would have done- would be cut since the costs would be too high.

                    When I first visited IOA years ago after opening- I had thought they did a great job of themeing in the Jurassic Park, Lost Continent & Seuss Landing areas. I wasn't as thrilled with Toon Lagoon or the Marvel Superhero areas- but did a great job with the Spidy ride. I thought back then that they were stepping up the game and giving Disney some serious competition. But somehow Universal/IOA doesn't have the heart or repeatability that Disney has.

                    I used to really admire Michael Eisner- at least for the fist few years of his reign- when Disney went thru it's rapid expansion-I always was looking forward to what would come next. Then, both he & the Disney company started going downhill and kept picking up speed. I think Iger has done some great things, but still more needs to be done to bring the company back to what it once was.

                    I did visit the WWOHP last week and the themeing was incredible- I just hope this sends a serious note to Disney to step up their game.

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                    • #30
                      Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                      They're going to do something to top Harry Potter, that's what Disney is about. Doing the unexpected and new.

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                      • #31
                        Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                        I really do miss the Eisner/Wells team of management. I don't miss the (post Wells, post heart attack, post Katzenberg, overly paranoid) Eisner.

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                        • #32
                          Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                          Heh, I was just going to ask, does anyone miss Frank Wells as much as I do?
                          It bothers me when people selectively edit quotes to support whatever point they are trying to prove.
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                          • #33
                            Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                            Originally posted by Midnight Mist View Post
                            They're going to do something to top Harry Potter, that's what Disney is about. Doing the unexpected and new.
                            That's what Disney was about.
                            Motor Mania!:yea:

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                            • #34
                              Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                              Originally posted by Dapper Dan View Post
                              Heh, I was just going to ask, does anyone miss Frank Wells as much as I do?
                              That's a better-suited question.
                              -Hale (wumbology)

                              a.k.a. h2mc, omnimover.mousetalgia, omnimover, wumbology, hogbackmtn, hhmcsharry, Hale M., h2m, h2mc

                              (I've never visited Disneyland Resort, Tokyo Disney Resort, Disneyland Resort Paris, nor Hong Kong Disneyland Resort, so don't be fooled when I pretend to know what I'm talking about. [But I'm pretty good with the information, if I do say so myself. And you can hit me all you want with Walt Disney World.])


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                              • #35
                                Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                                Originally posted by Spacoli View Post
                                That's what Disney was about.

                                You know there is this thing called hope? maybe.. just maybe.. if anybody believed in disney anymore, they they might do something "disney standard"
                                why would disney do ANYTHING if there are people who are just going to just criticize them for it, and say its crap.

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                                • #36
                                  Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                                  Disney does not actually operate on the Tinkerbell principle.

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                                  • #37
                                    Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                                    Hey guys, I've been reading these threads for a while, but I finally got around to registering and this is my first post.

                                    Does anyone else think that the BEST thing that could possible happen for Disney fans is for WWoHP to be phenomenally successful? It seems to be the consensus that Disney CAN outdo (or at least match) the work being done by Univeral, but haven't had to because they are content maintaining their #1 position, regardless of how slim the margin gets. WWoHP has the potential to force Disney's hand, requiring them to "wow" us, even if they don't have the drive to do so themselves. Just as the Yankees and the Red Sox force each other to maintain top-flight teams year in and year out, the maxim that "competition breeds quality" may very well hold true here.

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                                    • #38
                                      Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                                      Originally posted by wizards8507 View Post
                                      Hey guys, I've been reading these threads for a while, but I finally got around to registering and this is my first post.

                                      Does anyone else think that the BEST thing that could possible happen for Disney fans is for WWoHP to be phenomenally successful? It seems to be the consensus that Disney CAN outdo (or at least match) the work being done by Univeral, but haven't had to because they are content maintaining their #1 position, regardless of how slim the margin gets. WWoHP has the potential to force Disney's hand, requiring them to "wow" us, even if they don't have the drive to do so themselves. Just as the Yankees and the Red Sox force each other to maintain top-flight teams year in and year out, the maxim that "competition breeds quality" may very well hold true here.
                                      When it comes to attendance, Islands of Adventure is a good bit behind Disney's Animal Kingdom. That means it is even further behind the other parks, especially the Magic Kingdom. The big key to making Harry Potter an issue for Disney is if people go to Universal first. If people are spending more money on merchandise there, especially with how well it seems the Harry Potter merchandise is selling, they will have less to spend at Walt Disney World. The other possible kink is in Disney's hotels and the Magic Express captivity plan. People may end up staying off property to go to Universal, and begin to question why they are paying so much more for Disney. Disney has been trying to tie more and more into packages.

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                                      • #39
                                        Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                                        Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                                        When it comes to attendance, Islands of Adventure is a good bit behind Disney's Animal Kingdom. That means it is even further behind the other parks, especially the Magic Kingdom. The big key to making Harry Potter an issue for Disney is if people go to Universal first. If people are spending more money on merchandise there, especially with how well it seems the Harry Potter merchandise is selling, they will have less to spend at Walt Disney World. The other possible kink is in Disney's hotels and the Magic Express captivity plan. People may end up staying off property to go to Universal, and begin to question why they are paying so much more for Disney. Disney has been trying to tie more and more into packages.
                                        I think the tendancy for a weeklong vacation for the average family might become 3-4 days in Disney and 2 days in Universal, rather than a full week in Disney. Unfortunately, I think Disney will take a "wait-and-see" approach, as they'll want to avoid a knee-jerk reaction amongst the initial hype of WWoHP.

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                                        • #40
                                          Re: Why the Imagineers can at any time beat WWohP, but at the same time can't

                                          Welcome to MiceChat, wizards.

                                          I heard that WDW has already taken an attendance hit, as compared to this time last year, because of Pottermania. Considering that attendance was down last year due to the recession, this sudden drop should get Disney's attention. Will it shake them out of their complacency? I'm cautiously optimistic.

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