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    Hi folks, occasional poster Virtual Toad here. Just got back from a two-day trip to WDW with the family (wife, toddler son and 5-year-old son) and wanted to share some impressions from our visit... things that really stood out.

    There was the usual good, bad and ugly but three things stuck with me from our MK trip:

    1. They STILL haven't touched up the faux cobblestones where the wedding "ring" used to be at the exit to the Haunted Mansion. Are they trying to tell us something? It almost feels like they're deliberately thumbing their noses at anyone who knew about or enjoyed the mystery of the ring. Look, we get it, WDI/WDW. You don't like us. It wasn't really a ring. We don't get to decide what the story is, you do. Fine. Now can you please touch up the area so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb? Is five minutes with some black paint and a paintbrush too much to ask?

    2. The climactic earthquake scene at Big Thunder Mountain keeps getting less and less climactic every time we visit. Yes, there used to be hokey little rocks on sticks, but at least they moved. Now there's no motion at all... no shaking boulders, inadequate lighting, exposed security cameras and a ton of black fabric covering gaping holes where rockwork used to be. Get on this WDW. Fix it and fix it NOW.

    3. This is the last one and it's the one that puzzles me the most. They spent MILLIONS retheming Space Mountain's queue only to route guests in the standby line through what my five year old calls "the hallway of BLAH!" Why spend all that time and money on a spectacular rehab, then ruin the immersion by diverting guests through an unthemed, cramped, hot hallway with garbage on the floor and cracks in the walls? It's jarring, uncomfortable and way below any reasonable expectation of Disney show standards. Even for today's WDW this is a new low. It makes the "new" Space Mountain LESS enjoyable than it was BEFORE the rehab!!

    Okay, enough ranting, but if there's anyone out there who can provide any insight to the logic behind the "hallway of BLAH" we'd sure like to know.

  • BANANAZ
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    *nods* That's one of my big issues with this, and a lot of other fans from what I gather. Why are we paying so much money if they aren't going to keep up maintenance wise? That's what part of the cost is supposed to be for, so they can keep up all the expensive effects and animatronics. That's why we pay so much for Disney. If they're not going to use that money to help keep the attractions up, then why shouldn't I spend my money on parks like Six Flags St. Louis, where the train in the tunnel effect on River King Mine train hasn't been working for 5 years straight?

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  • Virtual Toad
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    Originally posted by SeaCastle View Post
    Going public won't hurt, either. With the Orlando Sentinel so quick to jump on anything WDW, getting the bad maintenance the press it deserves could sway Disney to do something about it. It's too early to tell if the Yeti article in the OS made a difference yet, but it certainly brought awareness to a monstrosity of a problem that was not addressed for several years.

    There used to be days when key animatronics breaking down would cause the entire attraction to shutdown, i.e. the auctioneer in Pirates of the Caribbean. Yes, standards were a lot higher back then, but shutting down the whole of Big Thunder Mountain because the falling rocks aren't working is a bit of overkill. The rest of the attraction works just fine, and those kinds of things can be worked on third shift. I'm not justifying lack of maintenance at the parks in any way, but it is my opinion that to shut down an attraction because of a broken effect will cause more harm than good, especiall when the amount of people visiting the park has increased dramatically over the years.
    I agree, the Sentinel is a good place to start. But on the issue of Big Thunder, it's not just that the rocks aren't working... though that is a big enough deal for me as it is... several of the rocks are completely missing, with the holes covered with black fabric.

    I guess the question is, at what point is bad show acceptable just to keep things running? What's the point of a Disney vacation if you're paying Disney prices for a Six Flags experience?

    WDW used to take attractions down yearly for month-long rehabs instead of deferring maintenance until things are falling apart. Maybe they should get back to that. As a whole, the resort's attractions have way fewer moving parts than they did 15 years ago, and they seem to be having a tough time keeping those remaining moving parts moving.

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  • SeaCastle
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    Going public won't hurt, either. With the Orlando Sentinel so quick to jump on anything WDW, getting the bad maintenance the press it deserves could sway Disney to do something about it. It's too early to tell if the Yeti article in the OS made a difference yet, but it certainly brought awareness to a monstrosity of a problem that was not addressed for several years.

    There used to be days when key animatronics breaking down would cause the entire attraction to shutdown, i.e. the auctioneer in Pirates of the Caribbean. Yes, standards were a lot higher back then, but shutting down the whole of Big Thunder Mountain because the falling rocks aren't working is a bit of overkill. The rest of the attraction works just fine, and those kinds of things can be worked on third shift. I'm not justifying lack of maintenance at the parks in any way, but it is my opinion that to shut down an attraction because of a broken effect will cause more harm than good, especiall when the amount of people visiting the park has increased dramatically over the years.

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  • BANANAZ
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    Well, I've already told one of my friends who is going at the end of the school year on her senior trip to be my spy and take notice of all the little details.

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  • Dustysage
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    Originally posted by BANANAZ View Post
    *sigh* You know, I'm half tempted to write a letter to someone, but I don't know who. I'm not quite sure who to send my complaints to.
    They don't read complaint letters. Florida gets away with shoddy quality because it is physically removed from the people who run the company.

    Your best bet is to document your concerns and post them online right here. Post photos, your thoughts, and let the world know how you feel.

    But, by the same token. When they do things right, you should mention those as well.

    As a community we can make a difference. If Disney makes the mistake of not listening, the chorus of unhappy voices will rise until the media and regular guests are all commenting about the things you write.

    When one speaks the truth, it resonates.

    -Dusty

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  • BANANAZ
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    *sigh* You know, I'm half tempted to write a letter to someone, but I don't know who. I'm not quite sure who to send my complaints to.

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  • Dustysage
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    Originally posted by Virtual Toad View Post
    Isn't the Big Thunder situation like saying, well, the video game screen in the last part of Carousel of Progress doesn't work but let's keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or, well, the Carnotaurus is broken at the climax of Dinosaur but let's just put a smaller, static dino head in its place and keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or the Yeti at the climax of Everest is broken, but hey, just throw a strobe on it and keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or, Splash Mountain smells of burning plastic after new lights were installed but, hey, let's hope the toxic fumes aren't too bad and just keep the attraction open anyway?

    It didn't used to be this way. Stuff always worked. Disney was Disney because of its insane attention to quality and detail.

    I love WDW, I grew up with the place but with the prices they're charging for dramatically reduced quality, quite frankly, I'm starting to feel fleeced. That's why the Sapce Mountain hallway bothers me so much. IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE THIS. Who decided to route the standby line through a trashy back hallway and away from a very nicely themed queue that cost millions to re-do?

    It just seems inane and insane, and it's part of a bigger picture that just keeps getting worse.
    I officially love you!

    Until guests and fans of WDW start standing up to Disney the way the Disneyland fans have, WDW will continue to decline.

    When you pay top dollar for a week at Disney World, you should expect the level of quality that Disney always bills themselves as representing. Remember the old story they used to tell about replacing the light bulbs BEFORE they burned out and the never ending painting of Main Street? Well, these days, those are just stories. Especially in Florida.

    Dusty

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  • mikelieman
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    It's called "PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE" for a reason...

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  • Virtual Toad
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    Originally posted by KevinYee View Post
    This is not meant as a "defense" of the employee-looking hallway at Space Mtn, but a guess at an explanation. As you say, there had to be SOME logic behind it.

    My thought is that WDI didn't tackle that part of it at all - operations must have. After WDI hands off a ride to Operations for T&A (ahem! that means test and adjust), Operations can do what it wants. I'm guessing that the existence of FastPass lines dictacted a need to delve into the hallway, not anything WDI intended. Now it's a separate question - if my surmise is true - why WDI didn't anticipate this need.

    As for the rest of the thread, goodness knows there are declines around here.
    That's my hunch as well, that they wanted to route Fastpass exclusively to the right side. Problem is, if there's a lull in Fastpass, they want the option to send people from standby on the left over to the right side track. They can theoretically do that in the space behind the control tower just before the poor standby souls enter the hallway of Blah.

    But even if that is the case, it never worked that way before. SM existed for decades without having to use the hallway. Is that really the best solution they can come up with? (BTW, I miss the spontenaity of getting to choose which track to ride!)

    This is clearly an Ops blunder and they should be ashamed. And WDI should be outraged. As should each and every guest who has to endure the hallway of Blah.

    Now who do we have to schmooze over in Ops to get this thing fixed?

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  • KevinYee
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    This is not meant as a "defense" of the employee-looking hallway at Space Mtn, but a guess at an explanation. As you say, there had to be SOME logic behind it.

    My thought is that WDI didn't tackle that part of it at all - operations must have. After WDI hands off a ride to Operations for T&A (ahem! that means test and adjust), Operations can do what it wants. I'm guessing that the existence of FastPass lines dictacted a need to delve into the hallway, not anything WDI intended. Now it's a separate question - if my surmise is true - why WDI didn't anticipate this need.

    As for the rest of the thread, goodness knows there are declines around here.

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  • PSUMark
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    Originally posted by Virtual Toad View Post
    It didn't used to be this way. Stuff always worked. Disney was Disney because of its insane attention to quality and detail.

    I love WDW, I grew up with the place but with the prices they're charging for dramatically reduced quality, quite frankly, I'm starting to feel fleeced...

    It just seems inane and insane, and it's part of a bigger picture that just keeps getting worse.
    You've perfectly encapsulated the lament of all those who grew up with WDW in its golden age (prior to June 1994). 'Tis a strange World we shoulder... A strange World indeed.

    You can thank Roy E. Disney for ousting Ron Miller and bringing in Michael Eisner. You can thank Michael Eisner for royally screwing up Euro Disney, and then blaming what was largely his fault on Imagineering and Parks & Resorts. You can thank him for taking action based on that misplaced blame by cutting costs across the board at the parks, and changing the reporting structure so that WDI is basically a consultant for Park Ops, and everything was overseen by Strategic Planning (who refused to greenlight just about any major investment before they were eliminated by Iger). You can thank Jay Rasulo, Al Weiss and their nepotistic followers for being the overseers of the destruction of standards at WDW for the last sixteen years. On and on I could go, but those are probably the most responsible events/parties...

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  • RandySavage
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    Part of the problem is a vacuum of good, strong leadership - Meg Crofton being a major piece of this bad equation. She is a HR executive with a very middling, tier III resume. Clearly, she is not someone who can (or cares to) exert any influence on Weiss, Staggs or Rasulo to get the resource$ to deal with issues like these. She is likely Weiss' proxy and nothing more. Her job is simply to milk the WDW cash cow by selling off land for things like the Flamingo Crossings Outback strip mall and balance discounts with ticket prices to make her short-term performance targets.

    Dick Nunis would have blown a gasket if he saw one burned-out light bulb on Main Street. Pride in maintaining the highest standards mattered as much as the bottom line. The World is run by lesser people today.
    Last edited by RandySavage; 08-19-2010, 07:14 PM.

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  • ryno1986
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    Originally posted by Virtual Toad View Post
    Isn't the Big Thunder situation like saying, well, the video game screen in the last part of Carousel of Progress doesn't work but let's keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or, well, the Carnotaurus is broken at the climax of Dinosaur but let's just put a smaller, static dino head in its place and keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or the Yeti at the climax of Everest is broken, but hey, just throw a strobe on it and keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or, Splash Mountain smells of burning plastic after new lights were installed but, hey, let's hope the toxic fumes aren't too bad and just keep the attraction open anyway?

    It didn't used to be this way. Stuff always worked. Disney was Disney because of its insane attention to quality and detail.

    I love WDW, I grew up with the place but with the prices they're charging for dramatically reduced quality, quite frankly, I'm starting to feel fleeced. That's why the Sapce Mountain hallway bothers me so much. IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE THIS. Who decided to route the standby line through a trashy back hallway and away from a very nicely themed queue that cost millions to re-do?

    It just seems inane and insane, and it's part of a bigger picture that just keeps getting worse.
    I agree on absolutely everything you said. And I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates the new Splash Mountain lighting.

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  • TDLFAN
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    Originally posted by Virtual Toad View Post
    It didn't used to be this way. Stuff always worked. Disney was Disney because of its insane attention to quality and detail.
    Only Tokyo delivers on this issue. old School Disney and much more, for less at the ticket window.

    I love WDW, I grew up with the place but with the prices they're charging for dramatically reduced quality, quite frankly, I'm starting to feel fleeced. That's why the Sapce Mountain hallway bothers me so much. IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE THIS. Who decided to route the standby line through a trashy back hallway and away from a very nicely themed queue that cost millions to re-do? It just seems inane and insane, and it's part of a bigger picture that just keeps getting worse.
    Welcome to my world..

    And Bill... exactly what are they doing to the earthquake scene in BTMT? The version of the ride, and especially that scene, have been an embarrasment of riches, and it is the version with the most visible need of improvements and maintenance. Will they add the fiber optic gold dust from Paris and re-install the falling rocks (as originally seen here) from Tokyo?
    Last edited by TDLFAN; 08-19-2010, 06:28 PM.

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  • ORD84
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    When they did the refurb I thought they were going to improve the line experience not diminish it

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  • SkittleKicks
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    Oh, the hallway of "did I enter an employees only area?" Yup, last time I was there - the guests next to me were wondering if we had all made a wrong turn and ended up behind the ride. From games and effects to...nothing.

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  • Mouse princess
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    Wow the Space Mountain queue is supposed to look like that? When I was there in May I just thought they hadn't finished. What a dissappointment!

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  • Virtual Toad
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    Originally posted by Bill View Post
    Big Thunder Mountain's Earthquake sequence is actually being repaired as we speak. They just didn't want to close the entire ride down just to fix the one sequence.

    The Haunted Mansion is slated to get work done in the future that will address your cobblestone issue. But there is no reason to work on it now when that area could change dramatically in the future. It's the ground for pete sake.

    The Space Mountain hallway... yes, that is a legitimate complaint. It looks horrible.
    Isn't the Big Thunder situation like saying, well, the video game screen in the last part of Carousel of Progress doesn't work but let's keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or, well, the Carnotaurus is broken at the climax of Dinosaur but let's just put a smaller, static dino head in its place and keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or the Yeti at the climax of Everest is broken, but hey, just throw a strobe on it and keep the attraction open anyway?

    Or, Splash Mountain smells of burning plastic after new lights were installed but, hey, let's hope the toxic fumes aren't too bad and just keep the attraction open anyway?

    It didn't used to be this way. Stuff always worked. Disney was Disney because of its insane attention to quality and detail.

    I love WDW, I grew up with the place but with the prices they're charging for dramatically reduced quality, quite frankly, I'm starting to feel fleeced. That's why the Sapce Mountain hallway bothers me so much. IT WASN'T ALWAYS LIKE THIS. Who decided to route the standby line through a trashy back hallway and away from a very nicely themed queue that cost millions to re-do?

    It just seems inane and insane, and it's part of a bigger picture that just keeps getting worse.

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  • Disneytwins
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    I always hated that Hallway in Space. It's so bad, I knew exactly which one it was.

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